Reliability : 458 v Huracan
Discussion
Depends what you mean by 'useable'.
Long distance comfort, visibility, luggage space, fitting in a parking space (probably about the same), child seats, get the dog in it, etc.
In terms of reliability my gut feeling is the Lambo would be better as it is 6 year newer model, the 488 is more of a contemporary. However a 2014 car is one of the first and I don't know what things there were that were sorted over the years.
Long distance comfort, visibility, luggage space, fitting in a parking space (probably about the same), child seats, get the dog in it, etc.
In terms of reliability my gut feeling is the Lambo would be better as it is 6 year newer model, the 488 is more of a contemporary. However a 2014 car is one of the first and I don't know what things there were that were sorted over the years.
I’ve had a Huracan since new in 2019 (Performante Spyder), never missed a beat in 3 years, not so much as a flat battery or mystery warning light. Only thing that went wrong was the cup holder that got stuck in the dashboard. Can’t speak for the 458 but I don’t know any other Huracan owners that have suffered with reliability. Just had first major service and whilst VERY EXPENSIVE there were no issues outside of standard service items. Although I have a general problem with changing “pollen filters”.
Why the f could I possibly need pollen filters in a Spyder?
Why the f could I possibly need pollen filters in a Spyder?
Hi there
I went with a 458, luggage space in the 458 is double the size of the Lamborghini, as no 4WD compromising FRUNK space.
Had my 458 for four years and driven 15,000 miles, including a 10 day tour of Scotland covering 2500 miles, me and my Mrs were able to fit two suitcases in the front along with coats and brollies too. Plus there is quite a big space behind the seats as well for further storage.
I've had no reliability issues with my 458, visibility out of the 458 is also far superior to that of the Huracan.
However two rather different cars, I'd hazard both could be used as a daily (I've done so with my 458) and both could do European road trips. The 458 has more storage and it is cheaper to service, £900-1200 a year at Ferrari dealership.
Drive both, the 458 is alive and fizzy with quite a loose chassis, why I love it as it feels so fast even when not going fast and this for me made it an easy winner over competing brands and even newer Ferrari's as I get my kicks at lower speeds.
The Huracan I felt quite bored with, too planted for its own good to the point I'd need to do twice the speed limit to get that thrill, something the 458 delivered at or below speed limit, but was just as capable, just no need to drive that fast though. For me the 458 won, both look epic, both sound immense.
Go look at both, drive both, look at the frunks etc.
I went with a 458, luggage space in the 458 is double the size of the Lamborghini, as no 4WD compromising FRUNK space.
Had my 458 for four years and driven 15,000 miles, including a 10 day tour of Scotland covering 2500 miles, me and my Mrs were able to fit two suitcases in the front along with coats and brollies too. Plus there is quite a big space behind the seats as well for further storage.
I've had no reliability issues with my 458, visibility out of the 458 is also far superior to that of the Huracan.
However two rather different cars, I'd hazard both could be used as a daily (I've done so with my 458) and both could do European road trips. The 458 has more storage and it is cheaper to service, £900-1200 a year at Ferrari dealership.
Drive both, the 458 is alive and fizzy with quite a loose chassis, why I love it as it feels so fast even when not going fast and this for me made it an easy winner over competing brands and even newer Ferrari's as I get my kicks at lower speeds.
The Huracan I felt quite bored with, too planted for its own good to the point I'd need to do twice the speed limit to get that thrill, something the 458 delivered at or below speed limit, but was just as capable, just no need to drive that fast though. For me the 458 won, both look epic, both sound immense.
Go look at both, drive both, look at the frunks etc.
I’ve owned both - 458 for 18 months, Huracan 610-4 for 2 years and presently a Performante also 2 years. Across these 5.5 years I had a sticky window switch and failed wing mirror motor on the 458 and a sticky cup holder and a loose window bolt on the Perf. In other words all have been pretty much bullet proof.
Both the 458 and a Huracan are generally very reliable cars with no known systematic issues other than occasionally leaking dampers on the 458. The Perf being built later has Apple CarPlay and a seemingly slightly better quality interior than my 2014 610-4 but that could just be because that was one of the first Huracans delivered.
The 458 boot is considerably bigger than the Huracan due to the 4WD and tapered bonnet on the Lambo. Both are equally usable or unusable as one another in my experience (booth space aside). The 458 is better if you are v tall.
The dealership/service experience with Lambo has been exceptionally good (2 dealerships). Minor service is 1800 and major is c. 3k. (After asking for a discount). 458 is a bit cheaper but I don’t have reference points as mine was on the 7 year service plan.
Driving experience, sound and sense of enjoyment on both is like nothing else. Residuals on both have been strong; let’s see how they weather the recession.
Both the 458 and a Huracan are generally very reliable cars with no known systematic issues other than occasionally leaking dampers on the 458. The Perf being built later has Apple CarPlay and a seemingly slightly better quality interior than my 2014 610-4 but that could just be because that was one of the first Huracans delivered.
The 458 boot is considerably bigger than the Huracan due to the 4WD and tapered bonnet on the Lambo. Both are equally usable or unusable as one another in my experience (booth space aside). The 458 is better if you are v tall.
The dealership/service experience with Lambo has been exceptionally good (2 dealerships). Minor service is 1800 and major is c. 3k. (After asking for a discount). 458 is a bit cheaper but I don’t have reference points as mine was on the 7 year service plan.
Driving experience, sound and sense of enjoyment on both is like nothing else. Residuals on both have been strong; let’s see how they weather the recession.
Edited by Skittles001 on Friday 18th November 18:10
Ive posted this a few times on various threads like this.
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including 'enjoying' the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really s
tty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)
Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including 'enjoying' the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really s
tty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
Ive posted this a few times on various threads like this.
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really stty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)
Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really s
tty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
_Leg_ said:
Ive posted this a few times on various threads like this.
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really stty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)
Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
ah, a 458 and F12 person, I wonder how does the F12 compare to the 458, I've read that the 458 also is a event even when doing within the speed limits, how does the F12 feels?458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really s
tty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
I like the 458 and the F12, the F12 looks a bit more grown up or more expensive, which they are also still (still a bit out of reach, but I see prices coming the good way for buyers)
I only drive about 1.000km a year... yes shame on me, and ow, I hate road tax in NL so I also like a fast or restomod classic till max 1982 so those are still road tax free, but such Ferrari looks tempting in time as well, although still a bit to much for me if you want to keep some money spare for possible repairs and so on.
anyhow, how do those 2 compare, thanks.
458 IMO far better on the usable criteria.
Excellent sized boot for a super car, far better than I expected and 2+ times bigger than Lambo boot which is pathetically small.
Rear visibility is better
Ground clearance is better (both cars came with suspension lifter option as an extra, BUT if your buying used on the 458 you genuinely don't need it the clearance is excellent and actually better than some Aston GT cars for e.g. Vanquish, let alone super cars)
Both are generally reliable cars with no stand out faults, but if usability is a factor 458 for me. I also think in the right colour it is also a little more discreet, if that matters to you I don't know.
It's an amazing car, always a pleasure to drive at any speed.
Leg- you've got my dream garage! F12 eludes me for now as having both is hard for me to justify, it's on my list as a car I want to own at some stage but parting with the 458 would be too painful so it looks like it's all or nothing..
Excellent sized boot for a super car, far better than I expected and 2+ times bigger than Lambo boot which is pathetically small.
Rear visibility is better
Ground clearance is better (both cars came with suspension lifter option as an extra, BUT if your buying used on the 458 you genuinely don't need it the clearance is excellent and actually better than some Aston GT cars for e.g. Vanquish, let alone super cars)
Both are generally reliable cars with no stand out faults, but if usability is a factor 458 for me. I also think in the right colour it is also a little more discreet, if that matters to you I don't know.
It's an amazing car, always a pleasure to drive at any speed.
Leg- you've got my dream garage! F12 eludes me for now as having both is hard for me to justify, it's on my list as a car I want to own at some stage but parting with the 458 would be too painful so it looks like it's all or nothing..
458 and F12 are completely different cars. I’m repeating stuff I’ve posted before here so forgive me those that have read it previously.
I tour the f12 with my wife as it’s comfy, can take the crazy amount of luggage she brings and the stuff she buys on the way round. Tbf I also end up buying car models and stuff (although she flies down to wherever we’re going and back again so I usually fill the passenger seat and footwell with stuff as I drive back).
The 458 is for lads trips. It’s a better drive in the passes and the roof comes off.
They’re part of my wider collection and, as you can gather from this post, I learned to buy cars for a purpose rather than having similar cars as that tends to lead to things not being used.
Back on topic though I’m of the opinion that it’s pot luck whether a car is expensive to maintain or not. Although using them makes a difference. Cold oil in the bottom of the engine is doing no good at all.
I’ve a 10 year old Boxster S that’s cost nothing more than standard servicing etc and is still one of my favourite cars, largely as it’s done what it says on the tin without any fuss over 36,000 winter only miles, a Mercedes GL that I’ve had for 9 years from new that’s worked it’s backside off and had one pair of rear shocks (tows cars a lot) and a headlamp last week (£1700 for one headlamp 😳) and just normal servicing, brakes etc over 90,000 miles and a 1967 Alfa Guilietta Sprint I’ve had for 10 years that’s had a set of shocks and servicing.
In contrast I’ve got a mk1 escort rs1600 that’s absolutely mint and I’ve done 2000 miles in but it’s had a full engine rebuild at Wilcox Engineering that cost £15000 and a 1967 Abarth that I bought restored, realised it wasn’t and I’ve spent £20000 sorting out. Haven’t driven that for 4 years. Detailer is prepping it for PPF today so nearly finished. I was going to list a modern car I have that’s cost a lot to sort but now I think about it I’ve not had any big issues with moderns.
You would think the Alfa would be the nightmare car out of those and it’s the most reliable car I have. I’ve done the most miles in it too out of my classics which adds weight to the ‘used cars fare better’ comment above.
So, my point is, you could buy anything and have a lot of cost or not.
Btw, I’ll never sell the 458. Even if I’m too knackered to drive it, even if petrol is £20 a litre, never. That sentiment has stopped me buying any later mid engined Ferrari to replace it. I can’t have two as they do the same thing and I can’t part with it so it stays.
Whether any of that helps the OP I don’t know. It has got me wondering if I should post a thread about the ups and downs of owning a car collection ranging from 1930 to today and the costs involved and asking for other people’s experiences?
I tour the f12 with my wife as it’s comfy, can take the crazy amount of luggage she brings and the stuff she buys on the way round. Tbf I also end up buying car models and stuff (although she flies down to wherever we’re going and back again so I usually fill the passenger seat and footwell with stuff as I drive back).
The 458 is for lads trips. It’s a better drive in the passes and the roof comes off.
They’re part of my wider collection and, as you can gather from this post, I learned to buy cars for a purpose rather than having similar cars as that tends to lead to things not being used.
Back on topic though I’m of the opinion that it’s pot luck whether a car is expensive to maintain or not. Although using them makes a difference. Cold oil in the bottom of the engine is doing no good at all.
I’ve a 10 year old Boxster S that’s cost nothing more than standard servicing etc and is still one of my favourite cars, largely as it’s done what it says on the tin without any fuss over 36,000 winter only miles, a Mercedes GL that I’ve had for 9 years from new that’s worked it’s backside off and had one pair of rear shocks (tows cars a lot) and a headlamp last week (£1700 for one headlamp 😳) and just normal servicing, brakes etc over 90,000 miles and a 1967 Alfa Guilietta Sprint I’ve had for 10 years that’s had a set of shocks and servicing.
In contrast I’ve got a mk1 escort rs1600 that’s absolutely mint and I’ve done 2000 miles in but it’s had a full engine rebuild at Wilcox Engineering that cost £15000 and a 1967 Abarth that I bought restored, realised it wasn’t and I’ve spent £20000 sorting out. Haven’t driven that for 4 years. Detailer is prepping it for PPF today so nearly finished. I was going to list a modern car I have that’s cost a lot to sort but now I think about it I’ve not had any big issues with moderns.
You would think the Alfa would be the nightmare car out of those and it’s the most reliable car I have. I’ve done the most miles in it too out of my classics which adds weight to the ‘used cars fare better’ comment above.
So, my point is, you could buy anything and have a lot of cost or not.
Btw, I’ll never sell the 458. Even if I’m too knackered to drive it, even if petrol is £20 a litre, never. That sentiment has stopped me buying any later mid engined Ferrari to replace it. I can’t have two as they do the same thing and I can’t part with it so it stays.
Whether any of that helps the OP I don’t know. It has got me wondering if I should post a thread about the ups and downs of owning a car collection ranging from 1930 to today and the costs involved and asking for other people’s experiences?
_Leg_ said:
Ive posted this a few times on various threads like this.
458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really stty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)
Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
Love the 458 spider. How much were they when new with a bit of usual UK must have spec? 458 Spider new in April 14. Done 32,000 miles, mostly around Europe including enjoying the car on many of the mountain passes.
Aside from tyres it has cost me...
One set of front pads - £750 ish
One roof mechanism cable - £700 ish
One service (8th) - £1200 ish
That's it. Still looks like new (full PPF from day 1). I do look after my cars religiously though and they're in air-conditioned buildings at home. I don't use my Ferraris from 1st October to 1st Apri so they dont see really s
tty weather (although they've seen rain plenty).They would be fine but if I don't rotate the other stuff gets jealous. ;-)Fully expecting to pass 50,000 miles and eventually see 100,000 miles. My 2015 F12 is on 31,000 too. That's cost me a service and a replacement button aside from tyres.
Haven't posted a gratuitous picture in ages either. This summer with friends....
To answer the question above, my spider cost about £230k new but I did put a lot of spec on it particularly unnecessary carbon but I love it. I spec my cars for me, not for resale and tend to keep them a long time rather than flip them regularly. Like Leg, I have no intention of selling the 458 in the near future (but I need to be careful what I say as I had a 599 for 13 years which I said I would be buried in but eventually sold it last year as it just wasn’t getting used and now use a Portofino as our touring car). Re reliability. Misting shocks changed under warranty at about 6000 miles. Other than the mysterious non opening glove box (eventually solved by fitting a new battery) only routine servicing (I rigidly adhere to the service schedule, even during covid), tyres etc. I haven’t done as high a mileage as Leg but have driven the car down to Italy three times, South of France once, it’s been over the mountains, on about two dozen tracks (including Mugello - what a track) and it’s never let me down.
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