Ferrari 599 or Aston vanquish 2?
Discussion
I've just started liquidating some investments so I should have funds cleared by end of Feb latest.
I've been saving and planning for a classic car for 20 years or more and now it's time. Use will be high days and fun days so probably add about 4000 miles a year
However my target classic of a 308qv or nice 911 g series has now moved to something more modern and more super car ish.
Been watching 599 and vanquish for a while and will prob sort some test drives out over next 5 or 6 weeks.
My thoughts are
F599 about £85 to £95k Vanquish prob about same for 8speed box
1. Really fancy NA V12 whilst you can still get them
2. 599 prob at the bottom of its depreciation curve
3. Vanquish still likely to depreciate further down to maybe £65k ish so maybe costs more money long term
4 Vanquish newer so maybe less maintenance , saving money?
5. Ferrari quicker more dynamic and possibly a little harder to live with?
6. Vanquish a better all rounder?
7. Am.i just nuts and should go get a nice classic Esprit or merc SL for £40k
Today I want the Vanquish but I will wake up tomorrow wanting the 599 and the day after I will be back looking at 308s (which I think are overpriced) and basically I will go around in circles not knowing what I should do.
It's lovely problem to have but when you save so long for something and plan something in your head for so many years when it's time to pull the trigger I'm starting to second guess every aspect of each car.
I should say that up norf I have access to main dealer servicing for both marques but no real indy support for ferrari though I have at least 1 good aston workshop
Anyone got any thoughts or has maybe owned both cars previously so can offer proper insights?
I've been saving and planning for a classic car for 20 years or more and now it's time. Use will be high days and fun days so probably add about 4000 miles a year
However my target classic of a 308qv or nice 911 g series has now moved to something more modern and more super car ish.
Been watching 599 and vanquish for a while and will prob sort some test drives out over next 5 or 6 weeks.
My thoughts are
F599 about £85 to £95k Vanquish prob about same for 8speed box
1. Really fancy NA V12 whilst you can still get them
2. 599 prob at the bottom of its depreciation curve
3. Vanquish still likely to depreciate further down to maybe £65k ish so maybe costs more money long term
4 Vanquish newer so maybe less maintenance , saving money?
5. Ferrari quicker more dynamic and possibly a little harder to live with?
6. Vanquish a better all rounder?
7. Am.i just nuts and should go get a nice classic Esprit or merc SL for £40k
Today I want the Vanquish but I will wake up tomorrow wanting the 599 and the day after I will be back looking at 308s (which I think are overpriced) and basically I will go around in circles not knowing what I should do.
It's lovely problem to have but when you save so long for something and plan something in your head for so many years when it's time to pull the trigger I'm starting to second guess every aspect of each car.
I should say that up norf I have access to main dealer servicing for both marques but no real indy support for ferrari though I have at least 1 good aston workshop
Anyone got any thoughts or has maybe owned both cars previously so can offer proper insights?
Longy…I’ve been round this loop 
Ex 308 GTS owner here and had the benefit of spanking her over some of the best roads in Europe. In summer. Driving up thru Germany, back to the UK from Switzerland, targa off, midnight, 100mph cruising. Loved it.
That was then though. Downside - totally antiquated.
Which brings us to modern times. I spent 18months going round the £100k dilemma. I flip flopped between 599 and Vanq on a daily basis. The trouble is it has to be a Vanq S, not the 565HP Vanq because, well, you don’t spend that money to get the girls car. Unfortunately the S is at £115k+ still. And just isn’t worth that much extra over the 599 which frankly brings a lot more firepower to the table.
The 599 though has some issues. The CCMs are not new and will probably want replacing soon on whichever one you buy. They are old heavy beasts and you feel it when you drive one. The front doesn’t automatically feel connected to the back.
None of that is the biggest problem though. For either car. The Vanq’s main problem are the Vanq mk 1 for similar money and more desirable and the DBSS for not too much more and a lot lot more firepower on the table. The 599’s biggest problem is the F12. Aha, but it’s a lot more you say…then you drive one. Because some cunning b
d of a salesman has just thrown you the keys. And it makes the 599 feel old, slow and fat.
So the moral of the story is stick to Astons and go nowhere near a Ferrari garage, because if you do, you will just buy an F12.
Ex 308 GTS owner here and had the benefit of spanking her over some of the best roads in Europe. In summer. Driving up thru Germany, back to the UK from Switzerland, targa off, midnight, 100mph cruising. Loved it.
That was then though. Downside - totally antiquated.
Which brings us to modern times. I spent 18months going round the £100k dilemma. I flip flopped between 599 and Vanq on a daily basis. The trouble is it has to be a Vanq S, not the 565HP Vanq because, well, you don’t spend that money to get the girls car. Unfortunately the S is at £115k+ still. And just isn’t worth that much extra over the 599 which frankly brings a lot more firepower to the table.
The 599 though has some issues. The CCMs are not new and will probably want replacing soon on whichever one you buy. They are old heavy beasts and you feel it when you drive one. The front doesn’t automatically feel connected to the back.
None of that is the biggest problem though. For either car. The Vanq’s main problem are the Vanq mk 1 for similar money and more desirable and the DBSS for not too much more and a lot lot more firepower on the table. The 599’s biggest problem is the F12. Aha, but it’s a lot more you say…then you drive one. Because some cunning b
d of a salesman has just thrown you the keys. And it makes the 599 feel old, slow and fat.So the moral of the story is stick to Astons and go nowhere near a Ferrari garage, because if you do, you will just buy an F12.
Longy…I’ve been round this loop
Ex 308 GTS owner here and had the benefit of spanking her over some of the best roads in Europe. In summer. Driving up thru Germany, back to the UK from Switzerland, targa off, midnight, 100mph cruising. Loved it.
That was then though. Downside - totally antiquated.
Which brings us to modern times. I spent 18months going round the £100k dilemma. I flip flopped between 599 and Vanq on a daily basis. The trouble is it has to be a Vanq S, not the 565HP Vanq because, well, you don’t spend that money to get the girls car. Unfortunately the S is at £115k+ still. And just isn’t worth that much extra over the 599 which frankly brings a lot more firepower to the table.
The 599 though has some issues. The CCMs are not new and will probably want replacing soon on whichever one you buy. They are old heavy beasts and you feel it when you drive one. The front doesn’t automatically feel connected to the back.
None of that is the biggest problem though. For either car. The Vanq’s main problem are the Vanq mk 1 for similar money and more desirable and the DBSS for not too much more and a lot lot more firepower on the table. The 599’s biggest problem is the F12. Aha, but it’s a lot more you say…then you drive one. Because some cunning bd of a salesman has just thrown you the keys. And it makes the 599 feel old, slow and fat.
So the moral of the story is stick to Astons and go nowhere near a Ferrari garage, because if you do, you will just buy an F12.
Ex 308 GTS owner here and had the benefit of spanking her over some of the best roads in Europe. In summer. Driving up thru Germany, back to the UK from Switzerland, targa off, midnight, 100mph cruising. Loved it.
That was then though. Downside - totally antiquated.
Which brings us to modern times. I spent 18months going round the £100k dilemma. I flip flopped between 599 and Vanq on a daily basis. The trouble is it has to be a Vanq S, not the 565HP Vanq because, well, you don’t spend that money to get the girls car. Unfortunately the S is at £115k+ still. And just isn’t worth that much extra over the 599 which frankly brings a lot more firepower to the table.
The 599 though has some issues. The CCMs are not new and will probably want replacing soon on whichever one you buy. They are old heavy beasts and you feel it when you drive one. The front doesn’t automatically feel connected to the back.
None of that is the biggest problem though. For either car. The Vanq’s main problem are the Vanq mk 1 for similar money and more desirable and the DBSS for not too much more and a lot lot more firepower on the table. The 599’s biggest problem is the F12. Aha, but it’s a lot more you say…then you drive one. Because some cunning b
d of a salesman has just thrown you the keys. And it makes the 599 feel old, slow and fat.So the moral of the story is stick to Astons and go nowhere near a Ferrari garage, because if you do, you will just buy an F12.
Longy, I have an FF and my wife was contemplating chopping in her Cali for a 599.
I spoke to my indy about it and he remarked that every time we took the 599 out, we’d wonder why we hadn’t taken the FF as it’s a better car. It’s not quite the full banana that the F12 is but it’s a significant step up from the 599 for the same money. It’s probably the best value Ferrari in the U.K. right now.
We just got back from the alps with our youngest and all our ski gear. Drove through snow and rain in the dark and the car was utterly confidence inspiring. If you can get past the looks and size of the car then there’s really no reason not to own one.
I spoke to my indy about it and he remarked that every time we took the 599 out, we’d wonder why we hadn’t taken the FF as it’s a better car. It’s not quite the full banana that the F12 is but it’s a significant step up from the 599 for the same money. It’s probably the best value Ferrari in the U.K. right now.
We just got back from the alps with our youngest and all our ski gear. Drove through snow and rain in the dark and the car was utterly confidence inspiring. If you can get past the looks and size of the car then there’s really no reason not to own one.
Excellent comments and thank you both for the words offered. I can't see me going FF or F12 as wonderful as they might because I think they are just a bit too modern in terms of styling etc.
I know the Vanquish is a similar age but it's more classic in its appearance hence its appeal to me and it sounds epic truly thunderclap stuff.
Your spot on with the Vanquish S comments though will I always wish I had gone for that......ummm
The classic Vanquish is generally a little cheaper but I have read a few articles suggesting its a bit more fragile and your maintenance costs will be considerably more,the Bamford Rose videos suggest this too.
I'm quite happy with 'antiquated' as that sort of appeals too, like an antidote to the modern stuff. I've got a 7 series a couple of years old which is now paid for and that along with rhe wife's EV is the daily driver so this is really just another toy that I hope wouldn't cost too much to keep long term.
So yeah still trying to square the circle, a fruitless task!
AM Newcastle have a garage queen DBS manual with only 9k on the clock but they're looking for £130k and I don't understand the inflated prices on DBS, other than a 007 link why are they more revered? If it was only the manual versions I could get that , one of the last hand built manual v12s etc but even autos seem to carry a premium price and that perplexes me. I'm a simple soul really ha ha
I know the Vanquish is a similar age but it's more classic in its appearance hence its appeal to me and it sounds epic truly thunderclap stuff.
Your spot on with the Vanquish S comments though will I always wish I had gone for that......ummm
The classic Vanquish is generally a little cheaper but I have read a few articles suggesting its a bit more fragile and your maintenance costs will be considerably more,the Bamford Rose videos suggest this too.
I'm quite happy with 'antiquated' as that sort of appeals too, like an antidote to the modern stuff. I've got a 7 series a couple of years old which is now paid for and that along with rhe wife's EV is the daily driver so this is really just another toy that I hope wouldn't cost too much to keep long term.
So yeah still trying to square the circle, a fruitless task!
AM Newcastle have a garage queen DBS manual with only 9k on the clock but they're looking for £130k and I don't understand the inflated prices on DBS, other than a 007 link why are they more revered? If it was only the manual versions I could get that , one of the last hand built manual v12s etc but even autos seem to carry a premium price and that perplexes me. I'm a simple soul really ha ha
Mostly uninformed opinion here as I've not owned either although drooled after both at various times. I came close to pulling the trigger on a 599 at one point and loved the car when I took it for a drive but the issue I had was a bit of research as others have said around CCM brake replacement. At the time I was told it was ~£20k, looking here at eurospares: https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/599-gtb...
Seems to indicate they're about £30k now for a set.
If I were going to get one though it'd be the 599.
Seems to indicate they're about £30k now for a set.
If I were going to get one though it'd be the 599.
I don't think they are that bad i tink that link is for the whole assembly. The discs are about £2600 each plus fitting and sundries so about £10k for both front discs and pads. I think you can get them refinished these days too which is cheaper again but whilst fine for spirited Road driving are orobably less useful for track use.
Not sure what you have against the DBS DeejRC haha
Not sure what you have against the DBS DeejRC haha
Hi yup it's a factory hgte 6 previous owners on a 61 plate ain't ideal but it's a ferrari warranty car so worth a look
The Vanquish is newer on a 2017 plate with carbon dripping from every orifice.
Focusing on the experience and comfort.
Is this the model of car I want?
After that I can then always pursue finding a different colour or spec if necessary once I know what car I want to go for.
Hopefully it won't be a case of "I didn't like either" ha ha
The Vanquish is newer on a 2017 plate with carbon dripping from every orifice.
Focusing on the experience and comfort.
Is this the model of car I want?
After that I can then always pursue finding a different colour or spec if necessary once I know what car I want to go for.
Hopefully it won't be a case of "I didn't like either" ha ha
Instead of a 599 and Vanquish 2 I had the lesser variants of a 612 followed by a DB9 Volante.
I found the Ferrari to be too fragile for my use. The window switches kept breaking and the engine threw codes too often. My 612 had crema leather and my daughters kept buying £8 dark blue jeans from Primark which left blue dye on the rear seats! I sold it after 6 months
The Aston has stayed for 4 years and is still very much loved. It does have the sports exhaust and the V12 sounds awesome. I drove back from Switzerland over the Alps the summer with the hood down and it was epic.
Just my experience, enjoy the search!
I found the Ferrari to be too fragile for my use. The window switches kept breaking and the engine threw codes too often. My 612 had crema leather and my daughters kept buying £8 dark blue jeans from Primark which left blue dye on the rear seats! I sold it after 6 months
The Aston has stayed for 4 years and is still very much loved. It does have the sports exhaust and the V12 sounds awesome. I drove back from Switzerland over the Alps the summer with the hood down and it was epic.
Just my experience, enjoy the search!
My I also suggest a V12 Vantage as a potential option?
I found the Virage and DBS strangely lacking when I test drove them (I was dead set on getting one of the two at the time).
Subsequently, my wife had a V8 Vantage (her choice, not mine) and while it lacked the 'specialness' of the Ferrari's that we've had, I appreciated it for its compact size which gave it something that the Virage and DBS lacked.
If you're looking for Aston V12 magic then maybe the Vantage rather than the DBS or Vanquish wrapper is the one to find it in.
I found the Virage and DBS strangely lacking when I test drove them (I was dead set on getting one of the two at the time).
Subsequently, my wife had a V8 Vantage (her choice, not mine) and while it lacked the 'specialness' of the Ferrari's that we've had, I appreciated it for its compact size which gave it something that the Virage and DBS lacked.
If you're looking for Aston V12 magic then maybe the Vantage rather than the DBS or Vanquish wrapper is the one to find it in.
I did consider the vantage range but ruled it out for a number of reasons
The main one being that visually I just don't find it that alluring, it doesn't really do much for me to look at
Secondly there are just too many vantages out there so your v12 specialness somehow becomes diluted by all the v8 cars so as snobby as that sounds I want my purchase to make me feel like its a special occasion every time I use it
Yup I am a bit of a snob I suppose
The main one being that visually I just don't find it that alluring, it doesn't really do much for me to look at
Secondly there are just too many vantages out there so your v12 specialness somehow becomes diluted by all the v8 cars so as snobby as that sounds I want my purchase to make me feel like its a special occasion every time I use it
Yup I am a bit of a snob I suppose
I've had a 599 HGTE for 7/8 years now and went down a number of rabbit holes including V12V, 911 Turbo, DBS etc before buying the 599 as at the end of the day I realised I really wanted a Ferrari V12... feel free to message me directly if you want to discuss anything about life with a 599...GusB
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