Will EV Supercars only be Hypercars?

[OSMojo]

It seems to me anything that is EV that looks like a supercar has a hypercar price tag, so does that mean in the EV World we will have Sports Cars, and then straight to Hypercars, and a gap where Supercars used to be?

[130R]

Well there are currently no EV sports cars either

[OldAndTired]

130R said:

Well there are currently no EV sports cars either

What is a Taycan or Etron GT?

[130R]

OldAndTired said:

What is a Taycan or Etron GT?

GT car? They weigh nearly 2.5 tonnes

[OldAndTired]

Well I think Porsche would be in disagreement with you.

But who are they to argue with you - they only built the car and then called it a sports car.

[Cheib]

130R said:

OldAndTired said:

What is a Taycan or Etron GT?

GT car? They weigh nearly 2.5 tonnes

Yup….nowhere near being a Sports Car. Lovely things to waft along in but whilst they have done a good job of hiding the weight it is still there in the corners.

[OldAndTired]

I haven’t driven one and defer to your experience. However Chris Harris is a fairly reliable judge of the relative merits of different cars and he can’t be more excited about the Taycan as a sports car.

I’m certainly intrigued.

[supersport]

A Taycan is definitely to a sports car and doesn’t look like one. It’s bloody fast but more of an everyday car in a coupe body.

It certainly doesn’t feel like a sports car when you drive it. How many sports cars come in estate form?

[WCZ]

OSMojo said:

It seems to me anything that is EV that looks like a supercar has a hypercar price tag, so does that mean in the EV World we will have Sports Cars, and then straight to Hypercars, and a gap where Supercars used to be?

there won't be a gap imo

as soon as the technology gets cheaper sports cars will be 1000+hp and supercars 2000hp+

the difference between manufacturers won't be so much

if there was less manufacturers then I think they'd trickle the whole thing down over many years (agreeing to start them on 700hp and work their way up slowly) but Tesla /rimac/etc don't care so will just go for huge power, porsche /lambo/ferrari will be forced to follow

[OSMojo]

WCZ said:

there won't be a gap imo

as soon as the technology gets cheaper sports cars will be 1000+hp and supercars 2000hp+

the difference between manufacturers won't be so much

if there was less manufacturers then I think they'd trickle the whole thing down over many years (agreeing to start them on 700hp and work their way up slowly) but Tesla /rimac/etc don't care so will just go for huge power, porsche /lambo/ferrari will be forced to follow

A new aventador now costs £300k+ but my guess is the Aventador EV replacement will be much higher, who knows £700k+?, which is out of supercar territory into hypercar territory.

[Cheib]

OldAndTired said:

I haven’t driven one and defer to your experience. However Chris Harris is a fairly reliable judge of the relative merits of different cars and he can’t be more excited about the Taycan as a sports car.

I’m certainly intrigued.

I am not Chris Harris but I’ve had extended drive in one three times now and had one as a loan car on Monday so that was fairly fresh when I wrote it. It handles really well but is it night and day better than say our Macan Turbo PP ? No. The Macan isn’t a sports car but it’s incredible how it can be hustled down a country lane. The Taycan is very, very good but it’s a big heavy car and Porsche have not changed the laws of physics. Does it drive better than other cars in its class and feel like a sports car compared to them ? Quite possibly.

Love Chris Harris’s work but I think his fierce honesty is not what it once was. Recently Collecting Cars sold a 964 3.6 Turbo for Jenson Button, Harris made a video to promote the car saying among other things it was one of Porsche’s greatest cars…which it is to look at. Unfortunately a couple of weeks before he’d done an interview and was asked which were the worst/most over rated Porsche’s…..one of his nominations…. the 964 Turbo.

[WCZ]

OSMojo said:

A new aventador now costs £300k+ but my guess is the Aventador EV replacement will be much higher, who knows £700k+?, which is out of supercar territory into hypercar territory.

if they start charging that kind of money for their cars then lambo will go out of business imo

[OSMojo]

WCZ said:

if they start charging that kind of money for their cars then lambo will go out of business imo

Agreed, I hope they're aware of that, so avoid doing it.

[OldAndTired]

Can someone explain to me what the progression will be with electric supercars?

I can see batteries getting more energy dense - so the cars get lighter.

But other than that they are already at the limit of tyre adhesion acceleration and the jerk of the acceleration is literally sickening.

I just don’t get it. With powertrains ubiquitous they will become the car equivalent of Hermes Birkin handbags. A status symbol that doesn’t actually have any measurable utility.

I look forward to being proven wrong.

[Cheib]

OldAndTired said:

Can someone explain to me what the progression will be with electric supercars?

I can see batteries getting more energy dense - so the cars get lighter.

But other than that they are already at the limit of tyre adhesion acceleration and the jerk of the acceleration is literally sickening.

I just don’t get it. With powertrains ubiquitous they will become the car equivalent of Hermes Birkin handbags. A status symbol that doesn’t actually have any measurable utility.

I look forward to being proven wrong.

You’ve summed it up very well I think. The future of enjoying cars if buying and enjoying the back catalogue…whether that is an original car or a restomod.

[OSMojo]

OldAndTired said:

Can someone explain to me what the progression will be with electric supercars?

I can see batteries getting more energy dense - so the cars get lighter.

But other than that they are already at the limit of tyre adhesion acceleration and the jerk of the acceleration is literally sickening.

I just don’t get it. With powertrains ubiquitous they will become the car equivalent of Hermes Birkin handbags. A status symbol that doesn’t actually have any measurable utility.

I look forward to being proven wrong.

Agreed I was in a new Audi EV, the driver almost floored it, it was lightning fast, but within those few seconds I still almost fell asleep, it did nothing for me, the car version of titanium surgical tools.