Italy Seeks to Shield Supercars From Combustion Engine Ban

Italy Seeks to Shield Supercars From Combustion Engine Ban

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andrew

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10,090 posts

199 months

Sunday 5th September 2021
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an interesting, if not entirely new, idea...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-04...

rat rod

4,997 posts

72 months

Sunday 5th September 2021
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andrew said:
an interesting, if not entirely new, idea...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-04...
Best news i've heard, not sure if it will work but hope it does,

Of course everyone will jump in on the band wagon which then will make it more difficult to get exemption.

They will have to limit their production figues as a concession would be almost certain

All this electric stuff is scary talk yikes, don't want to think about it, going to bury my head in the sand, grumpy

Bo_apex

3,026 posts

225 months

Sunday 5th September 2021
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Plausible given the overall context of argument.

If Brussels don't play ball I guess Italy could exit the EU


Bispal

1,713 posts

158 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Bo_apex said:
Plausible given the overall context of argument.

If Brussels don't play ball I guess Italy could exit the EU
But they only sold 575 Ferrari's in Italy in 2020 and they would not be allowed to export any. Hardly enough sales to keep them going.

Bo_apex

3,026 posts

225 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Bispal said:
Bo_apex said:
Plausible given the overall context of argument.

If Brussels don't play ball I guess Italy could exit the EU
But they only sold 575 Ferrari's in Italy in 2020 and they would not be allowed to export any. Hardly enough sales to keep them going.
Agree that's a low level for their domestic market
If EU won't allow exports to non-EU countries it might be time for an Italian referendum

Raven Flyer

1,645 posts

231 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Bo_apex said:
Agree that's a low level for their domestic market
If EU won't allow exports to non-EU countries it might be time for an Italian referendum
If they have looked at how Brexit has gone for us, they wouldn't vote to follow the same path if they were on crack cocaine.

DeejRC

6,471 posts

89 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Brexit has been mostly a bit meh for most ppl.

Italy even in normal times is hilariously insanely funny frustrating and wonderful to live and work in. It’s part of the unique charm of the place. Italy just shouldn’t work, but it just about does. I am absolutely sure they will find a way for some variation of this “special measure” to happen.

I love Italy. Place drives me nuts, but I love it smile

D4rez

1,618 posts

63 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Nevvvvver gonna happen. Complete false hope

Cheib

23,759 posts

182 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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D4rez said:
Nevvvvver gonna happen. Complete false hope
This.

andrew

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10,090 posts

199 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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D4rez said:
Nevvvvver gonna happen. Complete false hope
sadly, i'm inclined to agree, if only because petrol distribution would eventually become uneconomic

rat rod

4,997 posts

72 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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Hasn't the world got complicated rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes

andrew

Original Poster:

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199 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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rat rod said:
Hasn't the world got complicated rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
just wait until we have electricity shortages, old batteries with depleted ranges righting-off cars because of their replacement expense, and an exchequer needing to recoup lost petrol tax...

enjoy your old smokers while you can smile

rat rod

4,997 posts

72 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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andrew said:
rat rod said:
Hasn't the world got complicated rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
just wait until we have electricity shortages, old batteries with depleted ranges righting-off cars because of their replacement expense, and an exchequer needing to recoup lost petrol tax...

enjoy your old smokers while you can smile
yesyesyes

supersport

4,265 posts

234 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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rat rod said:
andrew said:
rat rod said:
Hasn't the world got complicated rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
just wait until we have electricity shortages, old batteries with depleted ranges righting-off cars because of their replacement expense, and an exchequer needing to recoup lost petrol tax...

enjoy your old smokers while you can smile
yesyesyes
I am not so sure, I don’t think electricity is the answer. I think the big petrol cancel won’t happen, well not in 2030 anyway.

There are so many parts of the country were it just won’t work. Just been down to Cornwall, all those wild campsites with no services let alone car charging.

Look at the M5 on a summer Saturday, no way is all that traffic going to recharge any a reasonable time.

rat rod

4,997 posts

72 months

Monday 6th September 2021
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supersport said:
I am not so sure, I don’t think electricity is the answer. I think the big petrol cancel won’t happen, well not in 2030 anyway.

There are so many parts of the country were it just won’t work. Just been down to Cornwall, all those wild campsites with no services let alone car charging.

Look at the M5 on a summer Saturday, no way is all that traffic going to recharge any a reasonable time.
Try not to think about it, ostrich comes to mind, But i think you are absolutely right scratchchin

sparta6

3,734 posts

107 months

Tuesday 7th September 2021
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Raven Flyer said:
Bo_apex said:
Agree that's a low level for their domestic market
If EU won't allow exports to non-EU countries it might be time for an Italian referendum
If they have looked at how Brexit has gone for us, they wouldn't vote to follow the same path if they were on crack cocaine.
Politics aside, it's early days with Brexit and Covid has had a far greater impact.
UK employment is UP despite the challenges.

There are so many countries that have weak electricity supply with constant blackouts.
Even the affluent houses in Nigeria need two diesel generators to survive.


Raven Flyer

1,645 posts

231 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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sparta6 said:
Raven Flyer said:
Bo_apex said:
Agree that's a low level for their domestic market
If EU won't allow exports to non-EU countries it might be time for an Italian referendum
If they have looked at how Brexit has gone for us, they wouldn't vote to follow the same path if they were on crack cocaine.
Politics aside, it's early days with Brexit and Covid has had a far greater impact.
UK employment is UP despite the challenges.

There are so many countries that have weak electricity supply with constant blackouts.
Even the affluent houses in Nigeria need two diesel generators to survive.
Although the pain brought by Covid has been the savour of those denying the pain brought by Brexit, Brexit hasn't really kicked in yet. The real change to cross border trade starts at the beginning of October. That's when the full border compliance kicks in and when the stuff will really hit the fan.

In construction, we have lost almost 1m trades people, imported materials have had massive price increases due to transport and custom clearance costs and those still working here have seen a 30% plus increase in wages... which has no sign of abating. Yet UK construction firms are all stuck on fixed price contracts. Expect significant business failures, as firms drown under these increased costs.

But hey, blue passports. It's not all bad.

I really hope Italy do pull this off and I have a feeling they may. With UK electricity prices going vertical as there isn't enough supply for the existing demand, how are we going to fuel up 1 million electric cars... let alone replacing the 20m cars currently on our roads?

Petrol and diesel are here to stay for decades. The government just hasn't climbed down yet.

OldAndTired

370 posts

52 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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Nice rant.

Keep politics to NPE please.

Plenty of counter arguments to your anti Brexit rant.

(British construction workers now getting a proper wage. If the market can’t bear higher prices then profits to developers go down unless land owners reduce prices. So “greedy” landowners get less. Isn’t that what people prefer?! And the energy crises is going to be a continuing theme as the green extremists get their way.)

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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When the EU banned smoking in indoor public places Spain decided not to adopt it, even though it was EU law. So I think it’s a possibility that Italy go rogue. They have a lot of automotive heritage/jobs to protect.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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rat rod said:
andrew said:
rat rod said:
Hasn't the world got complicated rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
just wait until we have electricity shortages, old batteries with depleted ranges righting-off cars because of their replacement expense, and an exchequer needing to recoup lost petrol tax...

enjoy your old smokers while you can smile
yesyesyes
Like all those old i3 out there, 8 years old and still 95%+ battery capacity? Like the great ECU scare that would make old cars uneconomic to repair, or complicated diesels?

EVs should become even easier to keep on the road with less moving parts and mechanical sub components.

I’m not saying EVs are the sole answer but for a massive percentage of the country they will be.

What looks after commercial etc, you can argue about that but scaremongering EVs is a bit laughable really.