PH News'Lamborghini builds 10,000th Aventador'. Sup vs Pop'n
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I was surprised to learn that the 10,000th Aventador has just rolled off the production line ( After 9 years of production ) , as I recall Lamborghini saying back in 2011 that they had only build a limited number of moulds , and that each mould would only survive a limited number of chassis builds .
And that they would not build more moulds , and that the anticipated number of Aventadors would therefore be in the region of 4,000+ cars
Comparative figures for the previous Lamborghini Flagships :
Countach : 1998 units 1973-1990
Murcielago : 4099 units 2001 - 2010
Diablo : someone help out here please as I cant remember , but nowhere near 10, 000.
(A) Interesting how the supply has increased , and I wonder how this compares to the growth in :
1) the world population
2) the number of people with disposable wealth
3) The ready availability of finance in the Western world
(B)Yearly Lamborghini Flagship production has changed from a trickle to a gush
And that they would not build more moulds , and that the anticipated number of Aventadors would therefore be in the region of 4,000+ cars
Comparative figures for the previous Lamborghini Flagships :
Countach : 1998 units 1973-1990
Murcielago : 4099 units 2001 - 2010
Diablo : someone help out here please as I cant remember , but nowhere near 10, 000.
(A) Interesting how the supply has increased , and I wonder how this compares to the growth in :
1) the world population
2) the number of people with disposable wealth
3) The ready availability of finance in the Western world
(B)Yearly Lamborghini Flagship production has changed from a trickle to a gush
Hi RS Bandit -- Yes the Aventador had 2 fundamental changes compared to the other wedge-shaped ( so i'm not talking about , and indeed specifically excluding , the Miura ) mid-engined Lamborghini Flagships :
1) The Countach , Diablo and Murcie had a classic spaceframe chassis
The Aventador had a carbon fibre chassis
2) The first 3 had variations of the classic , stalwart Bizzarrini engine .
The Aventador had a completely new engine .
All 4 cars did however share 3 things :
1) Guillotine doors - although the Aventador's moves slightly laterally as it rises -- so not 100% true scissor doors
2) That extreme wedge profile
3) Variations upon the revolutionary South-North engine -gearbox orientation brilliantly dreamt up by Paolo Stanzani
1) The Countach , Diablo and Murcie had a classic spaceframe chassis
The Aventador had a carbon fibre chassis
2) The first 3 had variations of the classic , stalwart Bizzarrini engine .
The Aventador had a completely new engine .
All 4 cars did however share 3 things :
1) Guillotine doors - although the Aventador's moves slightly laterally as it rises -- so not 100% true scissor doors
2) That extreme wedge profile
3) Variations upon the revolutionary South-North engine -gearbox orientation brilliantly dreamt up by Paolo Stanzani
I think there certainly has been an accelerated creation of wealth over the last 2 decades, especially East of Europe.
In Europe I suspect it is a combination of higher wealth and as you say the easier availability of finance. Couple this with the rise of social media and therefore the ability to show off to a larger audience and - in general - a higher value being placed on conspicuous consumption and you get higher volumes of things that are easy to use for above (cars, watches, clothes, luxury goods (see development of LVMH over last decade) etc).
I do think the last decade has been the high point for supercars in terms of volume/demand - I suspect that as regulations are tightened and the next generation(s) (the ones who are now say 10-25) become the drivers of consumption, the perceived value of owning a high performance car will decrease substantially. I think young people are less and less interested in driving, cars and to a degree showing off with symbols of material wealth.
At the same time I - personally - am less and less interested in new cars as the human to car interaction is reduced with every new iteration and now that they are downsizing engines, using turbos, hybrid drivetrains etc etc and cramming the cars with electronics while weights seem to be also going up every year, I feel no real desire to own modern cars. I suspect that quite a few of the buyers of these cars are thinking along the same lines, so there might be a demand contraction at that end of the customer spectrum as well.
In Europe I suspect it is a combination of higher wealth and as you say the easier availability of finance. Couple this with the rise of social media and therefore the ability to show off to a larger audience and - in general - a higher value being placed on conspicuous consumption and you get higher volumes of things that are easy to use for above (cars, watches, clothes, luxury goods (see development of LVMH over last decade) etc).
I do think the last decade has been the high point for supercars in terms of volume/demand - I suspect that as regulations are tightened and the next generation(s) (the ones who are now say 10-25) become the drivers of consumption, the perceived value of owning a high performance car will decrease substantially. I think young people are less and less interested in driving, cars and to a degree showing off with symbols of material wealth.
At the same time I - personally - am less and less interested in new cars as the human to car interaction is reduced with every new iteration and now that they are downsizing engines, using turbos, hybrid drivetrains etc etc and cramming the cars with electronics while weights seem to be also going up every year, I feel no real desire to own modern cars. I suspect that quite a few of the buyers of these cars are thinking along the same lines, so there might be a demand contraction at that end of the customer spectrum as well.
MDL111 said:
I think there certainly has been an accelerated creation of wealth over the last 2 decades, especially East of Europe.
In Europe I suspect it is a combination of higher wealth and as you say the easier availability of finance. Couple this with the rise of social media and therefore the ability to show off to a larger audience and - in general - a higher value being placed on conspicuous consumption and you get higher volumes of things that are easy to use for above (cars, watches, clothes, luxury goods (see development of LVMH over last decade) etc).
I do think the last decade has been the high point for supercars in terms of volume/demand - I suspect that as regulations are tightened and the next generation(s) (the ones who are now say 10-25) become the drivers of consumption, the perceived value of owning a high performance car will decrease substantially. I think young people are less and less interested in driving, cars and to a degree showing off with symbols of material wealth.
At the same time I - personally - am less and less interested in new cars as the human to car interaction is reduced with every new iteration and now that they are downsizing engines, using turbos, hybrid drivetrains etc etc and cramming the cars with electronics while weights seem to be also going up every year, I feel no real desire to own modern cars. I suspect that quite a few of the buyers of these cars are thinking along the same lines, so there might be a demand contraction at that end of the customer spectrum as well.
Finance at very low interest rates changed everything. In Europe I suspect it is a combination of higher wealth and as you say the easier availability of finance. Couple this with the rise of social media and therefore the ability to show off to a larger audience and - in general - a higher value being placed on conspicuous consumption and you get higher volumes of things that are easy to use for above (cars, watches, clothes, luxury goods (see development of LVMH over last decade) etc).
I do think the last decade has been the high point for supercars in terms of volume/demand - I suspect that as regulations are tightened and the next generation(s) (the ones who are now say 10-25) become the drivers of consumption, the perceived value of owning a high performance car will decrease substantially. I think young people are less and less interested in driving, cars and to a degree showing off with symbols of material wealth.
At the same time I - personally - am less and less interested in new cars as the human to car interaction is reduced with every new iteration and now that they are downsizing engines, using turbos, hybrid drivetrains etc etc and cramming the cars with electronics while weights seem to be also going up every year, I feel no real desire to own modern cars. I suspect that quite a few of the buyers of these cars are thinking along the same lines, so there might be a demand contraction at that end of the customer spectrum as well.
In the old days, everyone paid cash.
Imagine the housing market if you had to pay cash.
The other thing is that sports car companies are now mainly driven by shareholders not passion. So growth, revenue and margin are the key.
Interaction with cars? I thought that too until recently. But I got an Aventador SV. Ooooomph!
MDL111 : '' At the same time I - personally - am less and less interested in new cars as the human to car interaction is reduced with every new iteration and now that they are downsizing engines, using turbos, hybrid drivetrains etc etc and cramming the cars with electronics while weights seem to be also going up every year, I feel no real desire to own modern cars. I suspect that quite a few of the buyers of these cars are thinking along the same lines, so there might be a demand contraction at that end of the customer spectrum as well. ''
I couldn't agree more
I was considering a quite wide range of cars , and eventually went for a 10 year old N/A Elise R with 189bhp and 133 lb-ft VVTL-i ( VTEC equivalent ) engine .
Lotus dont do this any longer , but there is so much to like , and you have to be in absolutely the right gear all the time or the car just doesnt move !!
But it is just this lack of broad width torque which demands driver participation , which in turn translates into on-road fun .
Throw in narrowness, lightweight , manual , N/A , good sightlines , low seating position , reasonable price to buy and run , and its hard to beat .
Ferruccio - I haven't been in an SV , so cant comment , other than to say you lucky thing . Enjoy +++ .
andrew : '' funny how sant'agata have never with any certainty been able to tell how many of any specific model they've produced... ''
andrew , I've just been looking at the VIN numbering of their earlier flagships , and you have no idea just how correct you are !! . Frustrating and Byzantine . Don't quite understand why it should be like this .
I couldn't agree more
I was considering a quite wide range of cars , and eventually went for a 10 year old N/A Elise R with 189bhp and 133 lb-ft VVTL-i ( VTEC equivalent ) engine .
Lotus dont do this any longer , but there is so much to like , and you have to be in absolutely the right gear all the time or the car just doesnt move !!
But it is just this lack of broad width torque which demands driver participation , which in turn translates into on-road fun .
Throw in narrowness, lightweight , manual , N/A , good sightlines , low seating position , reasonable price to buy and run , and its hard to beat .
Ferruccio - I haven't been in an SV , so cant comment , other than to say you lucky thing . Enjoy +++ .
andrew : '' funny how sant'agata have never with any certainty been able to tell how many of any specific model they've produced... ''
andrew , I've just been looking at the VIN numbering of their earlier flagships , and you have no idea just how correct you are !! . Frustrating and Byzantine . Don't quite understand why it should be like this .
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