Best Value Research and Possible future classic

[marky7seven]

Hello, this is my first post.

As I have some spare time on my hand like most people, and the most fun I currently have is fetching my in-laws prescription.

I'm doing some research on a possible purchase if this all blows over without too much collateral damage, I'm looking at a car that I will keep forever and hopefully become a future classic. I know that is no such thing as an investment car anymore, unless you're looking at true classic, or things that are just unachievable. Something that sounds amazing, won't lose an absolute bomb and something to enjoy driving on trips in Europe.

A slight shortlist:
Ferrari FF (2012 19k miles £107995)
Lamborghini Huracan (2014 18k miles £119990)
Mclaren 650s (2016 7k miles £89950)
Aston Martin Vanquish (2015 22k miles £82700)

I know what I prefer personally, just interested on other opinions.

Thank you
Mark

[Ferruccio]

There have been recent previous threads along these lines on here.

[anonymous-user]

marky7seven said:

Hello, this is my first post.

As I have some spare time on my hand like most people, and the most fun I currently have is fetching my in-laws prescription.

I'm doing some research on a possible purchase if this all blows over without too much collateral damage, I'm looking at a car that I will keep forever and hopefully become a future classic. I know that is no such thing as an investment car anymore, unless you're looking at true classic, or things that are just unachievable. Something that sounds amazing, won't lose an absolute bomb and something to enjoy driving on trips in Europe.

A slight shortlist:
Ferrari FF (2012 19k miles £107995)
Lamborghini Huracan (2014 18k miles £119990)
Mclaren 650s (2016 7k miles £89950)
Aston Martin Vanquish (2015 22k miles £82700)

I know what I prefer personally, just interested on other opinions.

Thank you
Mark

That's an easy one for me to answer = 650S. Biggest bang for your buck. 0-100mph = 5.7sec. Dihedral doors. Has already lost most of its value (but who knows these days). Exclusivity. Very comfortable for touring and could easily be used as a DD. You will grin every time you drive it – the most important bit.

[marky7seven]

MAC 720S said:

That's an easy one for me to answer = 650S. Biggest bang for your buck. 0-100mph = 5.7sec. Dihedral doors. Has already lost most of its value (but who knows these days). Exclusivity. Very comfortable for touring and could easily be used as a DD. You will grin every time you drive it – the most important bit.

The doors on the 650s do add some additional drama to the experience. Thank you for your reply.

[MDL111]

As a forever car I would buy none of the options you listed. All of those will cost a bucket to keep on the road (esp once you are out of warranty availability) imo and are not really cars that will be looked upon as “special” weekend / polish and look at type classics for various reasons, so I don’t think they will hold value particularly well (or go up on a cost adjusted basis)

With your brief and the budget of I assume up to low 6 digits, I would consider the following (I am ignoring cars that are already classic cars and focusing on modern(ish) models)

Ferrari - a 550 or maybe a 360 manual if you want mid-engined
Aston - a manual DBS or V12 Vantage
McLaren - I would consider none, but for completeness sake I would choose a 12C as it is the first one and imo has a design that will stand the test of time
Lamborghini - a Murcielago (ideally manual) or maybe a first Gen Superleggera
Porsche - a 996 GT3 RS

If the budget is higher, I would consider stuff like a Alfa 8C, Ferrari 550 Barchetta

I personally think value and pleasure wise over the next 15-20 years cars that are eligible for major rally and/or racing events will be the ones that will perform best (value as well as pleasure due to road driving being no longer fun)

[Drl22]

MDL111 said:

As a forever car I would buy none of the options you listed. All of those will cost a bucket to keep on the road (esp once you are out of warranty availability) imo and are not really cars that will be looked upon as “special” weekend / polish and look at type classics for various reasons, so I don’t think they will hold value particularly well (or go up on a cost adjusted basis)

With your brief and the budget of I assume up to low 6 digits, I would consider the following (I am ignoring cars that are already classic cars and focusing on modern(ish) models)

Ferrari - a 550 or maybe a 360 manual if you want mid-engined
Aston - a manual DBS or V12 Vantage
McLaren - I would consider none, but for completeness sake I would choose a 12C as it is the first one and imo has a design that will stand the test of time
Lamborghini - a Murcielago (ideally manual) or maybe a first Gen Superleggera
Porsche - a 996 GT3 RS

If the budget is higher, I would consider stuff like a Alfa 8C, Ferrari 550 Barchetta

I personally think value and pleasure wise over the next 15-20 years cars that are eligible for major rally and/or racing events will be the ones that will perform best (value as well as pleasure due to road driving being no longer fun)

All of these mentioned by MDL will cost you far far more than it sounds like you are willing to pay in running costs. I’ve seen people say a Murci will cost you £10-20k to run a year. That has put me off the idea, although a little piece of me still wants to go down that road.

To the OP: None of the ones you mention though will appreciate though, so as is often the advice here drive them all and buy the one you love.

I’m biased but my choice would be the huracan, noise noise noise!

Edited by Drl22 on Tuesday 21st April 16:47

[Snoopy8]

Nice List. I'm also thinking of entering the foray at circa 100k, ideally below.

You thought about a Bentley CGT? The new one is now 120+ (2018) and the previous revised one (2015+) around 60k+. I recently test drove the V8 and it was great, i just feel for that sort of money, you need to be sitting in something special.

From your list, i'd only consider the Huracan < 120k. Every child's dream, and still mine. The last Ferrari I loved was the 355, but looks like that ship has sailed.
Decisions....decisions!

[cayman-black]

A great selection from MDL . I would and have a V12Vantage six speed manual.

[Calculator]

MDL’s list has much more ‘future classic’ about it. Those you’ve listed, whilst great cars are not special, there are significant volumes available on the market and will continue to lose value accordingly. The Huracan in particular looks due a significant correction.

[Shnozz]

cayman-black said:

A great selection from MDL . I would and have a V12Vantage six speed manual.

That surely has to be a safe bet at the price point they are now at.

Similarly, arguably not a prestigious enough badge, but a manual V10 R8 I should think will be a safe bet.

Anything too new, with a long way still to fall, would be a big gamble with the world crumbling around us.

[Ferruccio]

Drl22 said:

I’ve seen people say a Murci will cost you £10-20k to run a year. That has put me off the idea, although a little piece of me still wants to go down that road.
]

They must either be very unlucky and/or tracking it.
£10k buys you a new clutch at a dealer. I’ve had one, in 8 years on an early manual car.
Annoying things can go, like ABS sensors but they ain’t expensive.
So I’d say £2,000 - £5,000 pa. unless clutch, gearbox or engine needs doing.

[Drl22]

Ferruccio said:

Drl22 said:

I’ve seen people say a Murci will cost you £10-20k to run a year. That has put me off the idea, although a little piece of me still wants to go down that road.
]

They must either be very unlucky and/or tracking it.
£10k buys you a new clutch at a dealer. I’ve had one, in 8 years on an early manual car.
Annoying things can go, like ABS sensors but they ain’t expensive.
So I’d say £2,000 - £5,000 pa. unless clutch, gearbox or engine needs doing.

Perhaps I will review this option then based upon this. Always good to have first hand experience. Which version do you own?

[Ferruccio]

Drl22 said:

Perhaps I will review this option then based upon this. Always good to have first hand experience. Which version do you own?

Early manual. 2002. 37,000 miles, so no garage queen.

[marky7seven]

MDL111 said:

As a forever car I would buy none of the options you listed. All of those will cost a bucket to keep on the road (esp once you are out of warranty availability) imo and are not really cars that will be looked upon as “special” weekend / polish and look at type classics for various reasons, so I don’t think they will hold value particularly well (or go up on a cost adjusted basis)

With your brief and the budget of I assume up to low 6 digits, I would consider the following (I am ignoring cars that are already classic cars and focusing on modern(ish) models)

Ferrari - a 550 or maybe a 360 manual if you want mid-engined
Aston - a manual DBS or V12 Vantage
McLaren - I would consider none, but for completeness sake I would choose a 12C as it is the first one and imo has a design that will stand the test of time
Lamborghini - a Murcielago (ideally manual) or maybe a first Gen Superleggera
Porsche - a 996 GT3 RS

If the budget is higher, I would consider stuff like a Alfa 8C, Ferrari 550 Barchetta

I personally think value and pleasure wise over the next 15-20 years cars that are eligible for major rally and/or racing events will be the ones that will perform best (value as well as pleasure due to road driving being no longer fun)

I nearly added an Aston Martin Vantage V12 manual, I owned a 4.7 sport shift II, but a complete pig of a gear box, so sold the car. Still possible the best looking car I've owned. Good comment.

I can't see the Vanquish dropping lower than £50k for a v12, and sport shift III is suppose to be a lot better.

[marky7seven]

Calculator said:

MDL’s list has much more ‘future classic’ about it. Those you’ve listed, whilst great cars are not special, there are significant volumes available on the market and will continue to lose value accordingly. The Huracan in particular looks due a significant correction.

I agree with the Hurarcan, I wouldn't be surprised within 4 months you might see one sub £100k, and at that point it possible be number one on the list. At the moment its the FF, as I liked it when it first came out. And I suppose I can take the kids with me.

Edited by marky7seven on Tuesday 21st April 17:43

[marky7seven]

Ferruccio said:

Drl22 said:

I’ve seen people say a Murci will cost you £10-20k to run a year. That has put me off the idea, although a little piece of me still wants to go down that road.
]

They must either be very unlucky and/or tracking it.
£10k buys you a new clutch at a dealer. I’ve had one, in 8 years on an early manual car.
Annoying things can go, like ABS sensors but they ain’t expensive.
So I’d say £2,000 - £5,000 pa. unless clutch, gearbox or engine needs doing.

Did you have a warranty on a your car, as I understand you can't get main dealer warranty on cars older than 7 years, doesn't give you much peace of mind on a 2014 car. As for running cost, I understand its going to cost me a reasonable amount each year, its all getting factored in.

[marky7seven]

MDL111 said:

As a forever car I would buy none of the options you listed. All of those will cost a bucket to keep on the road (esp once you are out of warranty availability) imo and are not really cars that will be looked upon as “special” weekend / polish and look at type classics for various reasons, so I don’t think they will hold value particularly well (or go up on a cost adjusted basis)

With your brief and the budget of I assume up to low 6 digits, I would consider the following (I am ignoring cars that are already classic cars and focusing on modern(ish) models)

Ferrari - a 550 or maybe a 360 manual if you want mid-engined
Aston - a manual DBS or V12 Vantage
McLaren - I would consider none, but for completeness sake I would choose a 12C as it is the first one and imo has a design that will stand the test of time
Lamborghini - a Murcielago (ideally manual) or maybe a first Gen Superleggera
Porsche - a 996 GT3 RS

If the budget is higher, I would consider stuff like a Alfa 8C, Ferrari 550 Barchetta

I personally think value and pleasure wise over the next 15-20 years cars that are eligible for major rally and/or racing events will be the ones that will perform best (value as well as pleasure due to road driving being no longer fun)

I know nothing Ferrari 550, I'm going to do some research. I like the look of this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[GT4RS]

marky7seven said:

Hello, this is my first post.

As I have some spare time on my hand like most people, and the most fun I currently have is fetching my in-laws prescription.

I'm doing some research on a possible purchase if this all blows over without too much collateral damage, I'm looking at a car that I will keep forever and hopefully become a future classic. I know that is no such thing as an investment car anymore, unless you're looking at true classic, or things that are just unachievable. Something that sounds amazing, won't lose an absolute bomb and something to enjoy driving on trips in Europe.

A slight shortlist:
Ferrari FF (2012 19k miles £107995)
Lamborghini Huracan (2014 18k miles £119990)
Mclaren 650s (2016 7k miles £89950)
Aston Martin Vanquish (2015 22k miles £82700)

I know what I prefer personally, just interested on other opinions.

Thank you
Mark

If you are considering the white 650s with 7k on the clock it MAY of been bumped by the sales team trying to sell it, get it inspected by a independent before you pull the trigger!

[marky7seven]

GT4RS said:

marky7seven said:

Hello, this is my first post.

As I have some spare time on my hand like most people, and the most fun I currently have is fetching my in-laws prescription.

I'm doing some research on a possible purchase if this all blows over without too much collateral damage, I'm looking at a car that I will keep forever and hopefully become a future classic. I know that is no such thing as an investment car anymore, unless you're looking at true classic, or things that are just unachievable. Something that sounds amazing, won't lose an absolute bomb and something to enjoy driving on trips in Europe.

A slight shortlist:
Ferrari FF (2012 19k miles £107995)
Lamborghini Huracan (2014 18k miles £119990)
Mclaren 650s (2016 7k miles £89950)
Aston Martin Vanquish (2015 22k miles £82700)

I know what I prefer personally, just interested on other opinions.

Thank you
Mark

If you are considering the white 650s with 7k on the clock it MAY of been bumped by the sales team trying to sell it, get it inspected by a independent before you pull the trigger!

Surely main dealer wouldn't do that: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[Ferruccio]

marky7seven said:

Ferruccio said:

Drl22 said:

I’ve seen people say a Murci will cost you £10-20k to run a year. That has put me off the idea, although a little piece of me still wants to go down that road.
]

They must either be very unlucky and/or tracking it.
£10k buys you a new clutch at a dealer. I’ve had one, in 8 years on an early manual car.
Annoying things can go, like ABS sensors but they ain’t expensive.
So I’d say £2,000 - £5,000 pa. unless clutch, gearbox or engine needs doing.

Did you have a warranty on a your car, as I understand you can't get main dealer warranty on cars older than 7 years, doesn't give you much peace of mind on a 2014 car. As for running cost, I understand its going to cost me a reasonable amount each year, its all getting factored in.

No.
Bought it off an independent, so had a bit of legal protection for a short while.
I’m a believer in not insuring a risk that you can afford.