Well I can't drive my pension...... 458 vs 570s vs Huracan?
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Any one got a crystal ball?
Quick summary: I've got a 2013 V8 Ftype and a small property I rent out in Milton Keynes. I've calculated if I sell both I can buy myself a dream car. With the tax changes aside from capital growth, the property isn't making me any money, so I've figured screw it, sell it and enjoy the money. After all, who knows if I'll even get to retirement? I want to enjoy it whilst I'm physcially and mentally able. Yeah I'm having a mid-life crisis and I plan to take advantage of it
This all being said, I can't risk throwing it all away, so risk of depreciation is high up the priority list. Also noise is important to me, I love the theatre. And I'm a tart, I like the attention a nice car gets. It won't be used on track, ive got a Lotus Exige and a bike engined Westfield for that. Budget up to £135 but the lwer it is the more confortable I'd feel and less finance required. I've narrowed down my search to 3 cars:
458: Love: Sound, the image, looks fantastic. interior is nice. Bit more dated tech wise than the others.
570s: Love: The price! (At least £30 chepaer.) how fast it is, feels modern, looks a lot better in flesh than I expected, this was my dark horse. With their reputation, would only buy from dealer with warranty. Sound is not great, even with a decent exhaust it still isn't great compared to the others
Huracan: Love: Everything! The noise, the looks, how fast it is, how it drives. Feels modern inside, reliable and the under pinnings of Audi should help maintenance costs. Bit worried about depreciation.
To summarise, the 458 and Huracan are my favourite, great all round package, but the 570s cannot be ignored because its price and how good it is (just lacks the sound) Huracan is more modern that the 458, 4wd would make it more useable in more conditions and it would be cheaper to run. But the 458? Well its a Ferrari! And in my view least likely to depreciate? Although would the maintenance costs eat into that benefit over the Huracan?
Main question for me, where is the money safest right now? Any other opinions or help you can give would be really appreciated? Help me not to be living on the streets when I'm 70
Quick summary: I've got a 2013 V8 Ftype and a small property I rent out in Milton Keynes. I've calculated if I sell both I can buy myself a dream car. With the tax changes aside from capital growth, the property isn't making me any money, so I've figured screw it, sell it and enjoy the money. After all, who knows if I'll even get to retirement? I want to enjoy it whilst I'm physcially and mentally able. Yeah I'm having a mid-life crisis and I plan to take advantage of it
This all being said, I can't risk throwing it all away, so risk of depreciation is high up the priority list. Also noise is important to me, I love the theatre. And I'm a tart, I like the attention a nice car gets. It won't be used on track, ive got a Lotus Exige and a bike engined Westfield for that. Budget up to £135 but the lwer it is the more confortable I'd feel and less finance required. I've narrowed down my search to 3 cars:
458: Love: Sound, the image, looks fantastic. interior is nice. Bit more dated tech wise than the others.
570s: Love: The price! (At least £30 chepaer.) how fast it is, feels modern, looks a lot better in flesh than I expected, this was my dark horse. With their reputation, would only buy from dealer with warranty. Sound is not great, even with a decent exhaust it still isn't great compared to the others
Huracan: Love: Everything! The noise, the looks, how fast it is, how it drives. Feels modern inside, reliable and the under pinnings of Audi should help maintenance costs. Bit worried about depreciation.
To summarise, the 458 and Huracan are my favourite, great all round package, but the 570s cannot be ignored because its price and how good it is (just lacks the sound) Huracan is more modern that the 458, 4wd would make it more useable in more conditions and it would be cheaper to run. But the 458? Well its a Ferrari! And in my view least likely to depreciate? Although would the maintenance costs eat into that benefit over the Huracan?
Main question for me, where is the money safest right now? Any other opinions or help you can give would be really appreciated? Help me not to be living on the streets when I'm 70
I'm biased - I found myself in a similar situation recently and bought a 2011 458. Those 3 cars you mention were amongst many I looked at. To summarise my journey:
I didn't even bother driving the Huracan as I couldn't get on with the playstation interior or driving position (which I found disappointing as I'm a life long Lambo fan).
The 570S is epic value for money at £80k. Whilst the noise isn't as in your face as the other two, I quite liked it (one of the ones I drove was a spider and had an MSO exhaust, which certainly helped). They go, stop and handle sublimely. The main reason I didn't buy one is that I had an extended drive in a 600LT and that's the McLaren for me (in a couple of years time).
The 458 won the day because, well, it's a Ferrari and who doesn't love a Ferrari ? It has the theatre, it has the noise, and the way it handles truly surprised me - it is so much more forgiving than I was expecting, and you can enjoy the experience at or under the speed limit.
As for depreciation - they are all going to depreciate, some will just drop more than others. It also depends on how long you're going to keep the car for - if it's only a couple of years and you intend to buy from a main dealer, your depreciation is going to mainly be made up of dealer margin. If it's for many years, who cares what it's worth when you come to sell it versus all those wonderful memories ?
I didn't even bother driving the Huracan as I couldn't get on with the playstation interior or driving position (which I found disappointing as I'm a life long Lambo fan).
The 570S is epic value for money at £80k. Whilst the noise isn't as in your face as the other two, I quite liked it (one of the ones I drove was a spider and had an MSO exhaust, which certainly helped). They go, stop and handle sublimely. The main reason I didn't buy one is that I had an extended drive in a 600LT and that's the McLaren for me (in a couple of years time).
The 458 won the day because, well, it's a Ferrari and who doesn't love a Ferrari ? It has the theatre, it has the noise, and the way it handles truly surprised me - it is so much more forgiving than I was expecting, and you can enjoy the experience at or under the speed limit.
As for depreciation - they are all going to depreciate, some will just drop more than others. It also depends on how long you're going to keep the car for - if it's only a couple of years and you intend to buy from a main dealer, your depreciation is going to mainly be made up of dealer margin. If it's for many years, who cares what it's worth when you come to sell it versus all those wonderful memories ?
these cars are all more than quick and fun enough
overall costs will probably be similar
think through the traffic light test one pair of cars at a time...
you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
a. glance over, but feel content that you're in the "right" car ?
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
overall costs will probably be similar
think through the traffic light test one pair of cars at a time...
you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
a. glance over, but feel content that you're in the "right" car ?
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
andrew said:
these cars are all more than quick and fun enough
overall costs will probably be similar
think through the traffic light test one pair of cars at a time...
you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
a. glance over, but feel content that you're in the "right" car ?
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
Spot on post overall costs will probably be similar
think through the traffic light test one pair of cars at a time...
you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
a. glance over, but feel content that you're in the "right" car ?
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
andrew said:
think through the traffic light test one pair of cars at a time...
you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
Not really much of a test "B".you're sat at the traffic lights in one of the above, and a different one of the above pulls up alongside
do you :
b. jump out of your seat in excitement, crane your neck to take in every detail, drop your window and let them go first so you can hear their engine ?
I have been driving supercars for decades and no matter what I am driving , I still get exited about any other supercar pulling along side me, my windows go down and I take in every detail.
Just looking ahead at the traffic lights ignoring other super cars would imo come across as arrogant. God knows there's a lot of them about.
Thanks all, really helpful, keep them coming!
If money was no object and I had to choose one of these three cars, I would choose either ether Huracan or 458, I think probably the Huracan. But money is an object and when weighing up pro’s and con’s it’s really difficult to discount the 570s as it represents a saving of at least £30k on the purchase price. Are the other 2 £30k better? No they’re not in my opinion. However when it comes to selling the car it’s not going to be £30k difference. God this is difficult!
If money was no object and I had to choose one of these three cars, I would choose either ether Huracan or 458, I think probably the Huracan. But money is an object and when weighing up pro’s and con’s it’s really difficult to discount the 570s as it represents a saving of at least £30k on the purchase price. Are the other 2 £30k better? No they’re not in my opinion. However when it comes to selling the car it’s not going to be £30k difference. God this is difficult!
When I bought my 650 I was also interested in 458s. I have no doubt that they're fabulous cars, but I wasn't willing to pay the same money for an older, higher mileage 458 coupe that I would be paying for a 650 spider.
I also knew that - much as I have loved 458s for years - every time I saw a McLaren, I'd wish I'd bought one. I was pretty sure the reverse wouldn't be true (this is purely an aesthetic thing though).
I have no regrets. I suspect I would have found the ferrari more 'fun' to drive - even my ancient 360 still has something that I think the McLaren lacks.
But the McLaren is getting better and better and I think it's going to be a great summer this year.
I also knew that - much as I have loved 458s for years - every time I saw a McLaren, I'd wish I'd bought one. I was pretty sure the reverse wouldn't be true (this is purely an aesthetic thing though).
I have no regrets. I suspect I would have found the ferrari more 'fun' to drive - even my ancient 360 still has something that I think the McLaren lacks.
But the McLaren is getting better and better and I think it's going to be a great summer this year.
Your man maths makes perfect sense and I, like propably quite a few otherws on here have had this internal argument before. The only advice I can add to the mix is buy what your heart desires otherwise you will only have regrets everytime you see an example of the one you've forgone.
Taffy66 said:
The 458(spec dependent) will be the only car out of the three mentioned which will increase in value at some point..When that'll be is a more difficult question.!
Wouldn’t bank on that given where the world is going. My (bold) guess is that no car with a production figure higher than 2,000-3,000 units will increase in value over any period of time from today’s price levelIf you want to retain value / limit your downside, I would be inclined to go with the cheapest option - if a 570 only costs 80k, then a 50% loss is 40k, making it a 40k car - that seems quite low. A 40k loss on a 130k is only about 30% and seems very possible to me on standard production cars (Huracan even more so than the 458 imo) given how the car market developed during the last 5ish years.
Don't let the numbers ££ fool you!
Great car that the 570S is, it is cheap for a reason and that is mainly because it will only get cheaper and depreciate faster than the other two. Mclarens manufacturing numbers and sketchy customer care are clearly to blame but theres no disputing these cars are value for money if somewhat detached from a drivers perspective.
Next up the Hurracan. The main problem with the vanilla Hurracan is the Performante which is currently dipping under £160k admittedly with above average mileage and or lower spec but these will be cheaper towards late summer undoubtedly and may well be mid £140ks then so within your reasonable budget. A definite future classic.
So the vanilla Hurracan is a fairly steep depreciator but not as much as the Mclaren.
Finally the 458.
Great package and holding up well price wise for an ageing car, many consider grossly overpriced, faster but less involving 488s are now cheaper and some prefer these as the modern but stifled sounding equivalent.
Difficult choice OP I'd save a bit more for a Performante.
I speak as an ex 570S and current 458 owner amongst others btw.
Great car that the 570S is, it is cheap for a reason and that is mainly because it will only get cheaper and depreciate faster than the other two. Mclarens manufacturing numbers and sketchy customer care are clearly to blame but theres no disputing these cars are value for money if somewhat detached from a drivers perspective.
Next up the Hurracan. The main problem with the vanilla Hurracan is the Performante which is currently dipping under £160k admittedly with above average mileage and or lower spec but these will be cheaper towards late summer undoubtedly and may well be mid £140ks then so within your reasonable budget. A definite future classic.
So the vanilla Hurracan is a fairly steep depreciator but not as much as the Mclaren.
Finally the 458.
Great package and holding up well price wise for an ageing car, many consider grossly overpriced, faster but less involving 488s are now cheaper and some prefer these as the modern but stifled sounding equivalent.
Difficult choice OP I'd save a bit more for a Performante.
I speak as an ex 570S and current 458 owner amongst others btw.
You could buy a 570s privately with a transferable warranty cutting out the dealers margin. Then next winter jump into one of the other two.
Say 570s at 70k you loose 20k selling it for 50k next winter if you get more then it's a bonus
Chances are Huracan will be sub 100 then so buy then you will have spent 120 but had 2 on the list
Or get a v10plus
Say 570s at 70k you loose 20k selling it for 50k next winter if you get more then it's a bonus
Chances are Huracan will be sub 100 then so buy then you will have spent 120 but had 2 on the list
Or get a v10plus
crimbo said:
You could buy a 570s privately with a transferable warranty cutting out the dealers margin. Then next winter jump into one of the other two.
Say 570s at 70k you loose 20k selling it for 50k next winter if you get more then it's a bonus
Chances are Huracan will be sub 100 then so buy then you will have spent 120 but had 2 on the list
Or get a v10plus
Eek! Do you really think both the 570s and Huracan could drop by £20-25k by next winter?! So maybe the 458 is the route to take then. And isn't a V10 plus likely to depreciate more than any of those others? It was something I was considering.Say 570s at 70k you loose 20k selling it for 50k next winter if you get more then it's a bonus
Chances are Huracan will be sub 100 then so buy then you will have spent 120 but had 2 on the list
Or get a v10plus
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