Is 1961 Ferrari 250 GTE in need of full resto worth £60,000?

Is 1961 Ferrari 250 GTE in need of full resto worth £60,000?

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CoolHands

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19,460 posts

202 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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I don't know. I'm just asking. Left hand drive, not driven since 1975. It's due to be auctioned by Bonhams. Apparently restoration cost is approx £100,000 jobbie.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103371/Wo...

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

224 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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It'll get every penny and more . . . . . . .either as the base for a rebody / fake, or as a project for somebody who wants to complete the often dreamt of "Barn find" restoration

JazzyO

1,125 posts

188 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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£100k for the restoration is definitely an underestimation.

Is it worth £60k? If it has the original engine, yes, absolutely. If it doesn't, it is less desirable to fully restore as that fact will matter when she's all done and ready but can't be certified for Ferrari-organised events. But even so it would make £50k fairly easily. It is hard to find a car like this.

Will you make money on the total investment on the car once restored? Unlikely, you might break even if the trend continues but odds are you will be spending more than it will be worth. But people do these projects because they love to do them, not for the money it makes. It gives a great sense of accomplishment to bring such a beautiful car back from the brink of death. Most people keep the car for a long time after such a project, and then resale value doesn't matter anyway.


Onno

kev b

2,725 posts

173 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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This car will reappear in a couple of years as a 250 GTO replica,these replicas are so popular that people are chopping up later models to build fakes. A GTE is basically a GTO underneath so a wealthy enthusiast will snap up this junk heap without regard to cost. Ferrari Life Forum has a thread atm, Luzzago- Butcher of 330GTE. Well worth a read.

johnnyreggae

3,001 posts

167 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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This plus the swb body that just went for thirty five grand (Thread = 250 SWB for peanuts) plus a few bits & bobs and you have a fantastic replica 250SWB for much less than the cost of a real one

Edited by johnnyreggae on Monday 20th February 09:30

JazzyO

1,125 posts

188 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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kev b said:
This car will reappear in a couple of years as a 250 GTO replica,these replicas are so popular that people are chopping up later models to build fakes. A GTE is basically a GTO underneath so a wealthy enthusiast will snap up this junk heap without regard to cost. Ferrari Life Forum has a thread atm, Luzzago- Butcher of 330GTE. Well worth a read.
This is not a definite, there people out there who appreciate the 250GTE for what it is and want to restore one. And the GTE's are getting rarer too (to a large part due to what you refer to), more valuable by the day. Let's hope this one survives.

BTW, a 250GTE is not a GTO underneath, for one thing the chassis is not the same length (how could it be - a 2+2 is not the same as a purpose-built racer) but also not the same geometry. Just shortening the chassis won't give you a GTO chassis. This is why fake GTO's generally look so horrible and to the trained eye nothing like the real thing, you just can't get the same flowing lines. If you want to do it well you have to build a chassis from scratch. Building a really good replica will run into the half a million mark. But I take your point that most replica builders don't care and build something which to the untrained eye looks real enough for 150k or so. Needless to say I despise such practices.


Onno

CoolHands

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19,460 posts

202 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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If people do convert them to be a GTO I'd like to think it will remain a GTE,and as you say in years to come the GTE's will probably get more valuable if most are all chopped up!!

rubystone

11,254 posts

266 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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I'm with the guy who said it won't be turned into a GTO rep. Good GTEs have sold for strong money recently. Ross Brawn bought a minter - I will make a call and post hest price he paid for it....my guess is north of £135k

ChrisJ.

580 posts

247 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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I'd rather see a scruffy 250 GTE than another 'new' GTO or SWB.

ChrisJ.

580 posts

247 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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ChrisJ. said:
I'd rather see a scruffy 250 GTE than another 'new' GTO or SWB.
Or a new 250 Testa Rossa. Here's what is/was a 250 GTE:
http://www.foskers.com/ferrari-sales/78-ferrari-25...

0a

23,958 posts

201 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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What a lovely looking car in its own right. It seems a shame to restore it to 'as new' condition or convert it to something it's not.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

224 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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For more pre FIAT, Ferrari fun . . . . http://www.tomyang.net/cars/ferrari.html

Hoonabator

588 posts

233 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Looks just like Bonds DB7!!!


Typical high quality Daily Mail rubbish. Bunch of cocks

sa_20v

4,108 posts

238 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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kev b said:
This car will reappear in a couple of years as a 250 GTO replica,these replicas are so popular that people are chopping up later models to build fakes. A GTE is basically a GTO underneath so a wealthy enthusiast will snap up this junk heap without regard to cost. Ferrari Life Forum has a thread atm, Luzzago- Butcher of 330GTE. Well worth a read.
Yup, link here:
http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/ferrari-discussi...

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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This sold for 17k this weekend.

I thought a top car was around 85k? 60k seems like fantasy.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

224 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Justayellowbadge said:
This sold for 17k this weekend.

I thought a top car was around 85k? 60k seems like fantasy.
If so, that makes it a very cheap car and unfortunately one that will most likely be seen next wearing a new body frown

A good 250 GTE / 330 America is ~ £150k

Rollcage

11,327 posts

199 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Justayellowbadge said:
This sold for 17k this weekend.

I thought a top car was around 85k? 60k seems like fantasy.
Next weekend isn't it?

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

224 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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Rollcage said:
Justayellowbadge said:
This sold for 17k this weekend.

I thought a top car was around 85k? 60k seems like fantasy.
Next weekend isn't it?
Thought it was, 3rd of March

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/20140/lot/348/

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th February 2012
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AndrewW-G said:
Justayellowbadge said:
This sold for 17k this weekend.

I thought a top car was around 85k? 60k seems like fantasy.
If so, that makes it a very cheap car and unfortunately one that will most likely be seen next wearing a new body frown

A good 250 GTE / 330 America is ~ £150k
Oops, forgot the link. This one:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C272412#




Your numbers make this look cheap: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C245146#

rubystone

11,254 posts

266 months

Tuesday 28th February 2012
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Justayellowbadge said:
Your numbers make this look cheap: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C245146#
Sills look a bit suspect on that one...