California T or F430

[NRG1976]

Trev450 said:

NRG1976 said:

Thanks for all the responses, really appreciated.

70% worn front discs on 30k miles on the cali I linked sounds like it’s had a hard life? Factor in the cost of a replacements (c£6.5k+) and might as well put the extra money in and get a lower mileage example?

70 percent wear in 30k miles is indeed excessive. Have you asked them if they are prepared to replace them?

They won’t, the best they can do is replace them at cost, but not sure how much cheaper that would make it?

I was willing to pay for the car there and then if they could replace them for free before purchase, but they have a business to run and fully understand why they couldn’t do that…perhaps explains the price of the car…

I suspect it will sell to someone who thinks dealer plus warranty means no major running cost over the next 24 mths.

[Boleros]

NRG1976 said:

Thanks for all the responses, really appreciated.

70% worn front discs on 30k miles on the cali I linked sounds like it’s had a hard life? Factor in the cost of a replacements (c£6.5k+) and might as well put the extra money in and get a lower mileage example?

That's quite surprising, I thought that unless you were battering it around the ring on a daily basis they were pretty much good for three times that mileage.

[Trev450]

NRG1976 said:

Trev450 said:

NRG1976 said:

Thanks for all the responses, really appreciated.

70% worn front discs on 30k miles on the cali I linked sounds like it’s had a hard life? Factor in the cost of a replacements (c£6.5k+) and might as well put the extra money in and get a lower mileage example?

70 percent wear in 30k miles is indeed excessive. Have you asked them if they are prepared to replace them?

They won’t, the best they can do is replace them at cost, but not sure how much cheaper that would make it?

I was willing to pay for the car there and then if they could replace them for free before purchase, but they have a business to run and fully understand why they couldn’t do that…perhaps explains the price of the car…

I suspect it will sell to someone who thinks dealer plus warranty means no major running cost over the next 24 mths.

Best to walk then. Maybe for the best as that extent of wear would point towards it being driven pretty hard.

[ratrod 2]

Hoofy said:

Sounds like the F1 box is exactly like the E-Gear, then!

Starting to wonder if a PDK Porsche would suit me more these days. Hm. One annoying aspect - Porsches don't sound that great unless you get a 992 GT3 with an aftermarket exhaust.

Why do you think I go to the gym?

Not quite, got friends with E-Gear Gallardo's i i would say the 360 and 355's is more a comparison ,apart from the Scud they

got the F430 as good as it gets with a single clutch ,458 is so much smoother but i quite like the kick in the back shift,more mechanical.

[NRG1976]

Trev450 said:

NRG1976 said:

Trev450 said:

NRG1976 said:

Thanks for all the responses, really appreciated.

70% worn front discs on 30k miles on the cali I linked sounds like it’s had a hard life? Factor in the cost of a replacements (c£6.5k+) and might as well put the extra money in and get a lower mileage example?

70 percent wear in 30k miles is indeed excessive. Have you asked them if they are prepared to replace them?

They won’t, the best they can do is replace them at cost, but not sure how much cheaper that would make it?

I was willing to pay for the car there and then if they could replace them for free before purchase, but they have a business to run and fully understand why they couldn’t do that…perhaps explains the price of the car…

I suspect it will sell to someone who thinks dealer plus warranty means no major running cost over the next 24 mths.

Best to walk then. Maybe for the best as that extent of wear would point towards it being driven pretty hard.

Agreed.

I know it’s man maths but I’m starting to think I’d be better off putting some extra cash in and buying a 458/488!

[GTRene]

458 seems to be very good and still NA

[Hoofy]

NRG1976 said:

Trev450 said:

NRG1976 said:

Thanks for all the responses, really appreciated.

70% worn front discs on 30k miles on the cali I linked sounds like it’s had a hard life? Factor in the cost of a replacements (c£6.5k+) and might as well put the extra money in and get a lower mileage example?

70 percent wear in 30k miles is indeed excessive. Have you asked them if they are prepared to replace them?

They won’t, the best they can do is replace them at cost, but not sure how much cheaper that would make it?

Ask them... and then if the price is palatable ask if they can put that in writing.

[murphyaj]

If you can get them to replace the disks for a few grand then you are still looking at a Cali T from a main dealer for about £86k, which is still a good price. But as highlighted, a previous owner managed to wear out a set of ceramics in 30k miles which should last at least double that even if driven hard.

That raises two questions:
1) if it was driven that hard what else may be starting to wear out
2) has it actually done that many miles, or has it done much more than that

I know people say there are places where the mileage is stored that a dealer can find it (in the gearbox ECU for example), but these criminal organisations (sorry, I meant to say "legitimate mileage correction businesses") seem very confident that their despicable fraud (sorry, sorry, I mean "totally legal services") are entirely undetectable so I don't know how much I would trust that. If anything on a car has worn out unusually early I'd be suspicious.

[willy wombat]

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

[ollyh1988]

willy wombat said:

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

Well said. I flew up to Edinburgh to view mine first as had to make sure it was the right one. If it hadn’t, well I’d have been out of pocket for the quick trip there, but not the end of the world.
If you do replace the discs at cost at least you know you will never need that doing if you own the car long term, and could be a good selling point in future.

[NRG1976]

I’m going to give this one a miss, just sounds like it has had a hard life, it may well not have but my spider senses are normally right (there were a few other things too that spiked my thoughts like kerbed alloys, condition of a few of the buttons). I’m sure whoever buys it will be happy though, I’m just overly particular so not a normal customer I suspect! Dealership was great btw, wouldn’t hesitate to buy from them.

Overall I’m not overly fussed if it’s a dealer car or not as whilst they have a warranty it is not water tight and by consequence you get locked into the network for all work.

[garystoybox]

willy wombat said:

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

Bought two Ferrari’s from main dealers, a 488 Spider and an 812 without viewing. Both 1 year old, one owner, high spec cars, that you just know had been looked after. Just send over the money and had them delivered. If they had been 5 owner, 7 year old cars might have felt a bit different.

[Boleros]

willy wombat said:

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

You might be surprised to learn that quite a lot of Ferraris are bought in exactly this way. I was having a chat with a sales bloke and he said that many times they don’t even bother to advertise a car because they know someone who is looking for a particular model. They’ll call him up, tell them what they’ve got and if it’s right they’ll buy it without looking at it.

[NRG1976]

Boleros said:

willy wombat said:

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

You might be surprised to learn that quite a lot of Ferraris are bought in exactly this way. I was having a chat with a sales bloke and he said that many times they don’t even bother to advertise a car because they know someone who is looking for a particular model. They’ll call him up, tell them what they’ve got and if it’s right they’ll buy it without looking at it.

Most of the cars I’ve purchased have been unseen in the flesh, only exceptions to this are when I’m buying privately, but even then I will often leave a sizeable deposit. All comes down to recourse available with dealers and trust with private sellers.

[willy wombat]

Maybe I’m just pedantic but the last two Ferraris I bought were brand new spec’d by me and ordered for a 1st January delivery. In both cases the dealer was delivering to my house about 30th December but in both cases I drove to the dealerships (140 mile round trip) before they were delivered to inspect them. One I was happy with, the other I got them to change a seat cover that was creased. It’s just so much easier to get a dealer to do something if the car is still at their premises.

[Ken_Code]

willy wombat said:

Just my ten pence worth but, referring to earlier posts, I would never ever under any circumstances commit to spending that much money on a car without physically seeing it first (yes I know people do on auction sites but that’s up to them). As well as any obvious issues it just gives you a feel as to how the car has been looked after. A return drive of a few hundred miles plus a hotel night is nothing compared to how you might feel having dropped £80k on a car that doesn’t feel “right “.

I committed to buying my Portofino unseen. It was 200 miles away, at a main dealer, and was the first one that had come up in the spec I wanted.

[NRG1976]

willy wombat said:

Maybe I’m just pedantic but the last two Ferraris I bought were brand new spec’d by me and ordered for a 1st January delivery. In both cases the dealer was delivering to my house about 30th December but in both cases I drove to the dealerships (140 mile round trip) before they were delivered to inspect them. One I was happy with, the other I got them to change a seat cover that was creased. It’s just so much easier to get a dealer to do something if the car is still at their premises.

I think that is fair enough, if you can carve out the time why not? Makes the whole buying experience more fun and less transactional too.