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Get a grip!!!! Are you for real or just trying really hard to pi$$ us off?
Christof...What were you saying about enthusiasts comments a couple of days ago? How do you fancy Thom bodging a bit of Ford 4WD kit under your precious beast.MMMMMM...let me see..
Christof is horrified
by any chance
Thom.. you must have all our leftover foot and mouth beef over there....All those Le Big Mac's have sent you loopy
Christof...What were you saying about enthusiasts comments a couple of days ago? How do you fancy Thom bodging a bit of Ford 4WD kit under your precious beast.MMMMMM...let me see..
Christof is horrified
by any chance Thom.. you must have all our leftover foot and mouth beef over there....All those Le Big Mac's have sent you loopy
Im sure quaife could come up with somthing... the front axle line is if front of the engine so you could mount the diff and driveshafts in there.. the prop shaft would be interesting though....
Id start by getting a quaife catalogue...
Now a cerby that could leave the japcrap for dead in the wet as well as the dry... hang on a mo...
Id start by getting a quaife catalogue...
Now a cerby that could leave the japcrap for dead in the wet as well as the dry... hang on a mo...
I can't see it being technically feasible, or indeed desirable.
Quite apart from the weight and complexity issues (do you REALLY want something else that could go wrong?), you'd have the lengthen the nose to get the front diff to clear the engine, which would upset both the looks and the balance.
Nope, non-starter for oh-so-many reasons (as has already been pointed out less than kindly by others!)
Regards
Jon
Quite apart from the weight and complexity issues (do you REALLY want something else that could go wrong?), you'd have the lengthen the nose to get the front diff to clear the engine, which would upset both the looks and the balance.
Nope, non-starter for oh-so-many reasons (as has already been pointed out less than kindly by others!)
Regards
Jon
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Get a grip!!!! Are you for real or just trying really hard to pi$$ us off?
LOL...I'm just trying to start new discussions on our favourite car...now if you think I'm a
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Christof...What were you saying about enthusiasts comments a couple of days ago? How do you fancy Thom bodging a bit of Ford 4WD kit under your precious beast.MMMMMM...let me see..
Christof is horrified
Sorry, I study engineering and I love the Cerb, therefore I ask myself anything that could "improve" it. And leave Christof alone: you seem to be trying to convince everybody I'm a loony, don't you? Saying what you say won't prevent me from saying it again: "the speed six is a marvellous piece of
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Thom.. you must have all our leftover foot and mouth beef over there....All those Le Big Mac's have sent you loopy
What's that??? Don't bring me on the fast food field please, you might regret it...
Edited by thom on Friday 18th January 10:40
quote:
www.quaife.co.uk/
"Errrrrrrr, really quite remarkable".
hum...I think I've found what to do of my life...
Classic car last year had a 69 Mustang with Ferguson Formula 4wd and abs, if it can be done 30 years ago dont see why not now.
http://people.freenet.de/pony/news_4.htm#ferguson
www.isis.de/members/~knoesel/ferguson/fergusen.htm
http://people.freenet.de/pony/news_4.htm#ferguson
www.isis.de/members/~knoesel/ferguson/fergusen.htm
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www.quaife.co.uk/
"Errrrrrrr, really quite remarkable".
hum...I think I've found what to do of my life...
So im not the only sad bunny that thinks there is stuff in there sexier than penthouse.....
Edited by Graham on Monday 21st January 20:11
there's a guy on my industrial estate who used to work for Panther .. was instrumental in the design of the Solo appraently. He has just designed a 4WD transfer box with chain or gear drive to reverse the direction. He makes class winning bespoke 4WD off road vehicles for racing, and when he took a look under a cerbie I had in he was very pleased to see so much space to mount everything .. he plucked a figure of 10K from the air for conversion costs .. don't know if he was serious though ... 4WD cerbie sounds great to me
Ignore the harsh comments Thom. There are a lot of closed minds out there!
Can't see why this would be such a bad thing, and compared to most cars the Cerbera has a LOT of room under the bonnet.
From a purist point of view, the extra weight would rob the car of performance in the dry, but on the other hand, in less than favourable conditions ... Lamborghini seem to think its a good idea, and I haven't heard anyone asking "Why?" when confronted with a 600bhp+ Diablo with 4WD!
Done properly, you'd certainly have a unique TVR if you tried this!
Can't see why this would be such a bad thing, and compared to most cars the Cerbera has a LOT of room under the bonnet.
From a purist point of view, the extra weight would rob the car of performance in the dry, but on the other hand, in less than favourable conditions ... Lamborghini seem to think its a good idea, and I haven't heard anyone asking "Why?" when confronted with a 600bhp+ Diablo with 4WD!
Done properly, you'd certainly have a unique TVR if you tried this!
A translation of this:
www.isis.de/members/~knoesel/ferguson/fergusen.htm
by them:
www.systransoft.com/
suggested the Ferguson Mustang was quite a handler (I think):
"driftwinkel" err...
This car also had "Maxaret Blockierverhinderer" ABS (I think) thom will probably want this on a TVR next...
Edited by jaydee on Friday 25th January 09:04
www.isis.de/members/~knoesel/ferguson/fergusen.htm
by them:
www.systransoft.com/
suggested the Ferguson Mustang was quite a handler (I think):
quote:
While vehicles with conventional drive show their self-guidance behavior also on dry roads fast, the mustang FF behaved so steadfastly neutrally that even when strong modifications the drive power no interpretable reactions of the car were felt. This unusual behavior made for the drivers on the first kilometers something trouble, since the car on its part made no institutes to suggest during conscious approximation to the critical speed the usual warnings by strong shifting over the front wheels or breaking out the tail on the contrary followed it thereby still steering movements as if it would roll on rails. Also with exceeding of the critical speed the neutral driftwinkel of the vehicle did not change. By a gentle way shifting of all wheels only the driven turning radius became larger.
"driftwinkel" err...
This car also had "Maxaret Blockierverhinderer" ABS (I think) thom will probably want this on a TVR next...
Edited by jaydee on Friday 25th January 09:04
Phil,the only thing you're Short of mate is a few sandwiches from the picnic hamper! 
Surely a big part of TVR ownership is part when you try to get big horsepower down through the rear wheels ONLY. Taming the "tail out" action of the cars is a large part of the fun that is TVR........or maybe you all disagree????? If anyone is looking for that "stuck to the road in all conditions" effect with plenty of electronic gadgety to keep you on the straight and narrow buy a Evo 47 or whatever they are on now. If you enjoy tail out driving and having "moments"(!)on a daily basis, buy a TVR and leave it alone. IMHO, of course.
I have to agree tho' it could be done....just have to ask why
Surely a big part of TVR ownership is part when you try to get big horsepower down through the rear wheels ONLY. Taming the "tail out" action of the cars is a large part of the fun that is TVR........or maybe you all disagree????? If anyone is looking for that "stuck to the road in all conditions" effect with plenty of electronic gadgety to keep you on the straight and narrow buy a Evo 47 or whatever they are on now. If you enjoy tail out driving and having "moments"(!)on a daily basis, buy a TVR and leave it alone. IMHO, of course.
I have to agree tho' it could be done....just have to ask why
Thom
I think your idea is very appropriate.
1./ I am the proud owner of a Chimaera and a great TVR fan. I do not want to drive another car. Last wednesday it was raining cats and dogs here in Brussels and I was completely dropped by a Porsche 996 on a red light. It was a 4WD 996 and I was furious not to be able to keep up with him because of the rain. My previously car was a BMW 325 ix (X means 4WD) and it was a real pleasure for me to smatch throttle without apprehension when raining with a 4WD car.
2./ Furthermore, most cerbie owners even 4.2 owners are not able to use the full torque of their car even in dry conditions. You can really see that on the track days. I remember last continental meeting in Zolder Belgium in last june. On the "dragster" competition (2 cars, a red lignt that turns green, both drivers smatch the throttle...), most cerbies made horrible tyre slipping noises and were often matched by less powered chims or griffith because of these precious lost milisec on the very first meters.
3./ Third point, I've been told by Marc The belgian TVR importer that TVR is working on a 4.7 and a 5.0 V8 cerbie. I let you imagine what power they will be able to get out from such monsters. If they deliver a cerbie with 500 HP or even more, I guess the 4WD alternative would be smart.
Regards
Philippe
Brussels
I think your idea is very appropriate.
1./ I am the proud owner of a Chimaera and a great TVR fan. I do not want to drive another car. Last wednesday it was raining cats and dogs here in Brussels and I was completely dropped by a Porsche 996 on a red light. It was a 4WD 996 and I was furious not to be able to keep up with him because of the rain. My previously car was a BMW 325 ix (X means 4WD) and it was a real pleasure for me to smatch throttle without apprehension when raining with a 4WD car.
2./ Furthermore, most cerbie owners even 4.2 owners are not able to use the full torque of their car even in dry conditions. You can really see that on the track days. I remember last continental meeting in Zolder Belgium in last june. On the "dragster" competition (2 cars, a red lignt that turns green, both drivers smatch the throttle...), most cerbies made horrible tyre slipping noises and were often matched by less powered chims or griffith because of these precious lost milisec on the very first meters.
3./ Third point, I've been told by Marc The belgian TVR importer that TVR is working on a 4.7 and a 5.0 V8 cerbie. I let you imagine what power they will be able to get out from such monsters. If they deliver a cerbie with 500 HP or even more, I guess the 4WD alternative would be smart.
Regards
Philippe
Brussels
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