Classified Cerbera identification
Discussion
Hi all,
currently looking at AJPV8 Cerberas for sale,
Anyone know these two?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115988073441?hash=item1...
Or
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15888388
Many thanks in advance.
currently looking at AJPV8 Cerberas for sale,
Anyone know these two?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115988073441?hash=item1...
Or
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15888388
Many thanks in advance.
this green-metallic colour is the best choice, imo, on a Cerb.
when i started to search for Cerberas i wanted to catch such a green one.....but during the final-period of my evtl. purchase, there wasnt any green car for sale.....so i ended with a blue/purple one (which i bought for its condition, bining my preference colour)
the golden alloys are nice as well!!
the ebay one looks intesting...if you are willing to remove gearbox b4 you can start using the car...
also interesting is:
both cars have the same colour
but the adverts are differing totally....notice how a picture, taken in good light, can put the sales advert in a completely different light
when i started to search for Cerberas i wanted to catch such a green one.....but during the final-period of my evtl. purchase, there wasnt any green car for sale.....so i ended with a blue/purple one (which i bought for its condition, bining my preference colour)
the golden alloys are nice as well!!
the ebay one looks intesting...if you are willing to remove gearbox b4 you can start using the car...
also interesting is:
both cars have the same colour
but the adverts are differing totally....notice how a picture, taken in good light, can put the sales advert in a completely different light
The 4.2 is on the register
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=71...
Someone has spent a lot of time and effort on that car
Choosing not to swap out the clutch slave before selling, after all the work done before, is a very weird decision
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=71...
Someone has spent a lot of time and effort on that car
Choosing not to swap out the clutch slave before selling, after all the work done before, is a very weird decision
Phil_D said:
Don’t know either car but do know Miles at HPC Classics who are selling the 2nd one. I have bought two TVR’s from them in the past couple of years and have found them excellent to deal with. Definitely worth chatting to Miles he is a proper gent who loves TVR’s (especially Cerbs).
Thank you for the info about HPCLLantrisant said:
this green-metallic colour is the best choice, imo, on a Cerb.
when i started to search for Cerberas i wanted to catch such a green one.....but during the final-period of my evtl. purchase, there wasnt any green car for sale.....so i ended with a blue/purple one (which i bought for its condition, bining my preference colour)
the golden alloys are nice as well!!
the ebay one looks intesting...if you are willing to remove gearbox b4 you can start using the car...
also interesting is:
both cars have the same colour
but the adverts are differing totally....notice how a picture, taken in good light, can put the sales advert in a completely different light
Thank, yes I do love the green. Just trying to not let myself get too excited and make a decision without doing my research.when i started to search for Cerberas i wanted to catch such a green one.....but during the final-period of my evtl. purchase, there wasnt any green car for sale.....so i ended with a blue/purple one (which i bought for its condition, bining my preference colour)
the golden alloys are nice as well!!
the ebay one looks intesting...if you are willing to remove gearbox b4 you can start using the car...
also interesting is:
both cars have the same colour
but the adverts are differing totally....notice how a picture, taken in good light, can put the sales advert in a completely different light
ukkid35 said:
The 4.2 is on the register
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=71...
Someone has spent a lot of time and effort on that car
Choosing not to swap out the clutch slave before selling, after all the work done before, is a very weird decision
Hi, yes couldn't agree more. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=71...
Someone has spent a lot of time and effort on that car
Choosing not to swap out the clutch slave before selling, after all the work done before, is a very weird decision
The fact someone has had the pedals adapted would make you think that the car has been looked after but as you say, why not do the clutch/slave cylinder
Would you buy either?
The dealer one is high mileage. £30K for a 100K mile car? You can buy a car with less than half those miles for the same money. Any why wouldn't a dealer remove that awful gear knob and those tacky wheels?
Would you buy any car with 100K on the clock? I wouldn't. They are very hard to sell on. Most dealers cannot buy a warranty for a car with over 100K on the clock, so they won't retail them, they just go to auctions.
The other one sounds difficult to buy - "no inane messages or timewaster emails".
The clutch fails and then it is put in a barn and left for 4.5 years and it still is failed. Usually Derek Matthewson or Wayne Carini is pulling a car like that, years later, from a dilapidated building with such a story.
It cannot be test driven. That will put 99% of buyers off. Why wouldn't you get it fixed before selling it? Is anyone going to take a risk on the original chassis and outriggers?
The dealer one is high mileage. £30K for a 100K mile car? You can buy a car with less than half those miles for the same money. Any why wouldn't a dealer remove that awful gear knob and those tacky wheels?
Would you buy any car with 100K on the clock? I wouldn't. They are very hard to sell on. Most dealers cannot buy a warranty for a car with over 100K on the clock, so they won't retail them, they just go to auctions.
The other one sounds difficult to buy - "no inane messages or timewaster emails".
The clutch fails and then it is put in a barn and left for 4.5 years and it still is failed. Usually Derek Matthewson or Wayne Carini is pulling a car like that, years later, from a dilapidated building with such a story.
It cannot be test driven. That will put 99% of buyers off. Why wouldn't you get it fixed before selling it? Is anyone going to take a risk on the original chassis and outriggers?
LucyP said:
Would you buy either?
The dealer one is high mileage. £30K for a 100K mile car? You can buy a car with less than half those miles for the same money. Any why wouldn't a dealer remove that awful gear knob and those tacky wheels?
Would you buy any car with 100K on the clock? I wouldn't. They are very hard to sell on. Most dealers cannot buy a warranty for a car with over 100K on the clock, so they won't retail them, they just go to auctions.
The other one sounds difficult to buy - "no inane messages or timewaster emails".
The clutch fails and then it is put in a barn and left for 4.5 years and it still is failed. Usually Derek Matthewson or Wayne Carini is pulling a car like that, years later, from a dilapidated building with such a story.
It cannot be test driven. That will put 99% of buyers off. Why wouldn't you get it fixed before selling it? Is anyone going to take a risk on the original chassis and outriggers?
I'm a glutton for punishment, so I am considering it!The dealer one is high mileage. £30K for a 100K mile car? You can buy a car with less than half those miles for the same money. Any why wouldn't a dealer remove that awful gear knob and those tacky wheels?
Would you buy any car with 100K on the clock? I wouldn't. They are very hard to sell on. Most dealers cannot buy a warranty for a car with over 100K on the clock, so they won't retail them, they just go to auctions.
The other one sounds difficult to buy - "no inane messages or timewaster emails".
The clutch fails and then it is put in a barn and left for 4.5 years and it still is failed. Usually Derek Matthewson or Wayne Carini is pulling a car like that, years later, from a dilapidated building with such a story.
It cannot be test driven. That will put 99% of buyers off. Why wouldn't you get it fixed before selling it? Is anyone going to take a risk on the original chassis and outriggers?
I see where you are coming from regarding the milage but I don't have an issue with high milage cars, its all about condition vs price. You could argue that the higher milage car is a better car as it has had issues sorted, been driven and therefore looked after better than a lower milage car.
However I do agree they are trying to get too much for it. I'll try to go have a look and report back. Can you even get a warranty for a TVR
The green cars advert does make me laugh though. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it and offering on it though.
Currently trying to pace myself incase I end up buying two!
Thanks for all the feedback.
I’d have a lot more confidence in a Cerb with high miles and a good service history than a garage queen. What good does it do anything to sit around stationary? These cars are all getting on for 20+ years old, if they haven’t packed on some miles in that time then they’ve just been sat around dormant and that doesn’t inspire any confidence that the thing will function properly if god forbid you ever wanted to drive it.
No one pays top dollar for any high mileage car. Not even a Rolls Royce. Mileage puts people off. TVR interior quality was always poor and wore easily and badly.
This one is the worst of all worlds. It's high mileage for any car, let alone a TVR, but all those miles were years ago. It has hardly been used in the last few years. It hasn't done 1,500 miles in the last 2 years. It last did any meaningful mileage in 2019.
This one is the worst of all worlds. It's high mileage for any car, let alone a TVR, but all those miles were years ago. It has hardly been used in the last few years. It hasn't done 1,500 miles in the last 2 years. It last did any meaningful mileage in 2019.
The first one is ripe for someone to go along with a bag of cash and big sucks of the teeth and get a bargain as the chassis and work done on the car looks top notch and very expensive to complete.
You are taking a risk on any 20 year old car and if I wanted what looks like a very nice car for a very reduced price I’d absolutely be looking at this car.
I assume you can run the engine on inspection.
You don’t buy cars like these without having deep pockets and deeper ones to maintain and take on the known risks mostly relating to the engine.
You certainly don’t buy cars like these to make a profit or more accurately break even. These are cars of passion and as we all know that costs.
Contact Powers Performance and ask them what it will cost to replace clutch and gearboxes can be replaced or repaired for a tenth of the cost of restoring or indeed keeping a car to this standard.
Only use the very best to work on a Cerbera and it won’t be cheap but compared to any Main dealer network working on high end specialist cars it’s actually quite reasonable.
As others have mentioned there are Tvr on 75,000 miles to 100,000 or more in far better condition than ones on 40,000 that have mostly sat in garages or driven outside to be polished and then you have others that have and are still taking on European road trips, constantly being fettled/ upgraded and restored and those are the ones most likely to be reliable and usually have a massive file of receipts to prove it.
I’d wager since Covid and and now fuel/ cost of living crisis is why Tvr mileage has come grinding to a stop and indeed hundreds of owners are quietly wondering what to do next and clearly if even on the Tvr Forums the cars are not worth whats being asked for them the Tvr world is a doomed place.
When cars hit the 20 year marker they tend to become weekend cars and obviously mileage slows down which is exactly the same for TVR cars.
On the other hand what can you get that looks and sounds this good for the money
ETA If your hands on repairing the broken one might not be to expensive?
You are taking a risk on any 20 year old car and if I wanted what looks like a very nice car for a very reduced price I’d absolutely be looking at this car.
I assume you can run the engine on inspection.
You don’t buy cars like these without having deep pockets and deeper ones to maintain and take on the known risks mostly relating to the engine.
You certainly don’t buy cars like these to make a profit or more accurately break even. These are cars of passion and as we all know that costs.
Contact Powers Performance and ask them what it will cost to replace clutch and gearboxes can be replaced or repaired for a tenth of the cost of restoring or indeed keeping a car to this standard.
Only use the very best to work on a Cerbera and it won’t be cheap but compared to any Main dealer network working on high end specialist cars it’s actually quite reasonable.
As others have mentioned there are Tvr on 75,000 miles to 100,000 or more in far better condition than ones on 40,000 that have mostly sat in garages or driven outside to be polished and then you have others that have and are still taking on European road trips, constantly being fettled/ upgraded and restored and those are the ones most likely to be reliable and usually have a massive file of receipts to prove it.
I’d wager since Covid and and now fuel/ cost of living crisis is why Tvr mileage has come grinding to a stop and indeed hundreds of owners are quietly wondering what to do next and clearly if even on the Tvr Forums the cars are not worth whats being asked for them the Tvr world is a doomed place.
When cars hit the 20 year marker they tend to become weekend cars and obviously mileage slows down which is exactly the same for TVR cars.
On the other hand what can you get that looks and sounds this good for the money
ETA If your hands on repairing the broken one might not be to expensive?
Edited by Classic Chim on Tuesday 28th November 07:08
Luke-c11fi said:
Can you even get a warranty for a TVR
Yes, dealers like Str8six include warranties, and they have a 4.2 with 41k for sale for £30kSo if you want relative peace of mind, that would be the way to go
However, if you want a car to drive rather than garage and sell in couple of years, then the eBay car would be an interesting option, especially if you are willing do some work yourself
This forum is an incredible resource if you go down that route
Classic Chim said:
The first one is ripe for someone to go along with a bag of cash and big sucks of the teeth and get a bargain as the chassis and work done on the car looks top notch and very expensive to complete.
You are taking a risk on any 20 year old car and if I wanted what looks like a very nice car for a very reduced price I’d absolutely be looking at this car.
I assume you can run the engine on inspection.
You don’t buy cars like these without having deep pockets and deeper ones to maintain and take on the known risks mostly relating to the engine.
You certainly don’t buy cars like these to make a profit or more accurately break even. These are cars of passion and as we all know that costs.
Contact Powers Performance and ask them what it will cost to replace clutch and gearboxes can be replaced or repaired for a tenth of the cost of restoring or indeed keeping a car to this standard.
Only use the very best to work on a Cerbera and it won’t be cheap but compared to any Main dealer network working on high end specialist cars it’s actually quite reasonable.
As others have mentioned there are Tvr on 75,000 miles to 100,000 or more in far better condition than ones on 40,000 that have mostly sat in garages or driven outside to be polished and then you have others that have and are still taking on European road trips, constantly being fettled/ upgraded and restored and those are the ones most likely to be reliable and usually have a massive file of receipts to prove it.
I’d wager since Covid and and now fuel/ cost of living crisis is why Tvr mileage has come grinding to a stop and indeed hundreds of owners are quietly wondering what to do next and clearly if even on the Tvr Forums the cars are not worth whats being asked for them the Tvr world is a doomed place.
When cars hit the 20 year marker they tend to become weekend cars and obviously mileage slows down which is exactly the same for TVR cars.
On the other hand what can you get that looks and sounds this good for the money
ETA If your hands on repairing the broken one might not be to expensive?
Thanks for the reply, I do like the idea of the car that needs a new clutch. Would need a thorough inspection to see if there are any other issue being hidden. You are taking a risk on any 20 year old car and if I wanted what looks like a very nice car for a very reduced price I’d absolutely be looking at this car.
I assume you can run the engine on inspection.
You don’t buy cars like these without having deep pockets and deeper ones to maintain and take on the known risks mostly relating to the engine.
You certainly don’t buy cars like these to make a profit or more accurately break even. These are cars of passion and as we all know that costs.
Contact Powers Performance and ask them what it will cost to replace clutch and gearboxes can be replaced or repaired for a tenth of the cost of restoring or indeed keeping a car to this standard.
Only use the very best to work on a Cerbera and it won’t be cheap but compared to any Main dealer network working on high end specialist cars it’s actually quite reasonable.
As others have mentioned there are Tvr on 75,000 miles to 100,000 or more in far better condition than ones on 40,000 that have mostly sat in garages or driven outside to be polished and then you have others that have and are still taking on European road trips, constantly being fettled/ upgraded and restored and those are the ones most likely to be reliable and usually have a massive file of receipts to prove it.
I’d wager since Covid and and now fuel/ cost of living crisis is why Tvr mileage has come grinding to a stop and indeed hundreds of owners are quietly wondering what to do next and clearly if even on the Tvr Forums the cars are not worth whats being asked for them the Tvr world is a doomed place.
When cars hit the 20 year marker they tend to become weekend cars and obviously mileage slows down which is exactly the same for TVR cars.
On the other hand what can you get that looks and sounds this good for the money
ETA If your hands on repairing the broken one might not be to expensive?
Edited by Classic Chim on Tuesday 28th November 07:08
Good idea to get some legit TVR workshop prices to help with negotiation. Question is do I turn up with the trailer or not!! I guess I could leave it nearby
Byker28i said:
LucyP said:
Would you buy any car with 100K on the clock? I wouldn't.
Yet these are 20-25 years old now - 4k miles a year on average? Better than a garage queen never driven?The colour is lovely, looks like it's been looked after, money spent on it
ukkid35 said:
Luke-c11fi said:
Can you even get a warranty for a TVR
Yes, dealers like Str8six include warranties, and they have a 4.2 with 41k for sale for £30kSo if you want relative peace of mind, that would be the way to go
However, if you want a car to drive rather than garage and sell in couple of years, then the eBay car would be an interesting option, especially if you are willing do some work yourself
This forum is an incredible resource if you go down that route
Personal preference for me would be the preface lift cars, I do like the later cars cosmetically but the early ones are the ones I think about.
I would be doing the work myself mainly, not bought as an investment. My cars are all drivers not show cars, cosmetically not immaculate but mechanically sound, that's how I like it!!
Any you are correct, this forum has supplied me the most Cerbera information I could have asked for!
Thanks
Luke-c11fi said:
Thanks for the reply, I do like the idea of the car that needs a new clutch. Would need a thorough inspection to see if there are any other issue being hidden.
Good idea to get some legit TVR workshop prices to help with negotiation. Question is do I turn up with the trailer or not!! I guess I could leave it nearby
Good idea to get some legit TVR workshop prices to help with negotiation. Question is do I turn up with the trailer or not!! I guess I could leave it nearby
leave someone guarding it but a very good idea. Nothing like giving the game away to scupper your plans. I’d buy a very slim camera such as used to investigate engine issues preferably with a built in light and slide it along the outrigger between the body towards the front/ rear corners and look for rot and holes on top of the tubes there. If fully intact so no holes and no rot it’s a 1 in 100 but quite possible if the cars mainly been kept of wet roads.
Riggers or more likely a full chassis repair restoration costs closer to 10k than if those riggers are good so getting a very narrow camera tool is a valuable asset when looking at these cars.
I’m not sure I’d take a trailer as you tend to just see the fancy paint shape and general brilliance of these cars and buy the b
d so if you can walk away take the trailer and yeah get some quotes for the worst scenario before looking which can help you with pricing. Be aware most people selling a beloved Tvr hate the idea of selling it which is often why they hold out at a price we or others might find high.
They better than anyone know how great the loss is and once it’s gone it’s gone because they are all so individual it’s like letting go of a personal friend.
You’ll understand that if you ever have a good experience with Tvr.
Buying a good car in the first place is singly the most important thing to do.
You might do well by finding a Cerb owner in your area to pick his/ her brains and find out what to be looking for.
Classic Chim said:
leave someone guarding it but a very good idea. Nothing like giving the game away to scupper your plans. I’d buy a very slim camera such as used to investigate engine issues preferably with a built in light and slide it along the outrigger between the body towards the front/ rear corners and look for rot and holes on top of the tubes there. If fully intact so no holes and no rot it’s a 1 in 100 but quite possible if the cars mainly been kept of wet roads.
Riggers or more likely a full chassis repair restoration costs closer to 10k than if those riggers are good so getting a very narrow camera tool is a valuable asset when looking at these cars.
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