RE: Wiesmann GT Coupé

RE: Wiesmann GT Coupé

Thursday 30th March 2006

Wiesmann GT Coupé

Time to toss out the TVR? PetrolTed checks out one of Germany's finest exports.


Wiesmann GT Coupé
Wiesmann GT Coupé

When you tell someone that you’ve been to visit a German car company, the natural assumption is that you’ve been to sample the delights of German engineering on a gargantuan scale courtesy of BMW, Audi or VW.

However, despite rigorous testing requirements that stifle cottage industry style creativity, there is one small sports car company in Germany that is thriving -producing what many people think are very British-looking sports cars.

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How it started

That company is Wiesmann. Founded by two brothers in 1985, the company initially specialised in making hard tops for convertibles. This was their cunning plan – that business would provide the financial security that would allow them to try the more risky task of building their own classic-looking sportscar.

Martin Wiesmann – formerly an engineer specialising in designing vacuum pumps and compressors – had been messing with cars for years. The parents of the Wiesmann boys ran a Lancia and Fiat dealership and Martin spent much of his spare time working on cars, his pet project being Fiat Uno into which he dropped a turbocharged 2-litre lump from a Lancia.

He had always dreamed of building his own car and the catalyst to take the next step was a cut-away version of a sports car at the Essen Motor Show in 1985. Studying it in detail Martin came to the conclusion that it really wasn’t that complicated and that such a project was within his grasp.

He and his brother discussed the idea (Friedhelm Wiesmann ran a successful children’s clothing company at the time) and they set about building their dream.

Sketches were worked on with the styling being their first concern. Influenced by their love of the Austin Healey 3000 and a desire for a slipstreamed shape, the Wiesmann roadster took shape on paper during the late 1980s.

First principles

Engineering commenced with Martin Wiesmann using his skills to design the car from the ground up. It uses a narrow square section steel chassis assembled on jigs within their factory. Wiesmann negotiated the all important deal with BMW to obtain engine and running gear and it’s a relationship that has stood them in good stead.

Engine, gearbox, brakes all come from BMW (straight sixes for the Roadsters) with the benefit of goodies such as ABS and traction control all coming as part of the package. That leaves Wiesmann to concentrate on fine tuning the chassis, producing the bodywork (done in house – remember their expertise with hard tops) and to wire up and trim the cars.

The Wiesmann roadster was launched in 1993 and has enjoyed a reliable stream of sales throughout the 90’s. Production this year will increase from 50 cars a year (now including the new GT coupe) to around 100 as the factory is expanded. Currently there are 60 employees with expansion planned there too. This year will see Wiesmann make its 500th car.

The organisation of the Wiesmann operation has a Teutonic feel to it. That expansion process isn’t going to just be a case of doubling the space and getting some more chaps in. The whole production process has been reviewed and a new production line will be implemented to make the best use of their resources.

GT Coupé

My trip to Wiesmann was rounded off with the chance to try the GT Coupé. This larger beast was conceived in 2000 and thanks to Wiesmann's experience with the roadster, the initial development time was relatively short -- it was racing within 12 months of conception.

Prior to my visit, I’d assumed that the Coupé was just a rebodied Roadster. The reality is somewhat more interesting. Rather than use another space-frame steel chassis, this beast uses an exquisitely crafted aluminium monocoque chassis.

Into this chassis is installed a BMW 4.8-litre V8 pumping out around 360bhp. This is coupled to a six speed ‘box currently with the full SMG sequential ‘box being promised for later this year.

Wiesmann then does its thing with lots of leather and shiny bits for the cockpit and polishes it off with the extraordinary looking bodywork. The result is a car with near 50:50 weight distribution.

Driving it

Climbing into the cockpit, a couple of things strike you. Firstly it’s very un-German. These chaps have been influenced very heavily by British sports cars and you sit ensconced in a leather clad cockpit, looking down a long curvaceous bonnet through the shallow windscreen. It’s a fine place to be.

Secondly, the driving position immediately strikes you as somewhat unusual. The transmission tunnel is very wide and coupled with the styling of the bonnet it feels odd to look out down one of the wings – it’s as if you’re sat at the edge of the car rather than within it, despite the thick sills.

The steering wheel is up high and you adopt a slightly touring car style driving position with the wheel sat vertical and in your face. Start the beast up though and the lovely thrum of that V8 resonates softly through the car and you know it’s a beast waiting to be woken.

That BMW V8 is incredibly smooth. Anyone used to driving old fashioned V8 powered British sportsters is in for shock. Cruising up the road you can sense the power available thanks to the bass hum, but the all round experience is one of smoothness and dignity.

That aluminium monocoque soon shows its strength. The car seems to lack any give in the chassis whatsoever. There’s no discernable twist or bend in it whatsoever – it feels like a fully roll-caged race car. Thankfully the Eibach-damped, Bilstein-sprung suspension does a good job of smoothing out any imperfections in the road, although it was still a bit firm for my liking in what is really a long distance, GT-type car.

That combination of rigid chassis and decent suspension setup results in a wonderful feedback. It’s one of those rare cars where even an average driver such as myself gets the sense that every wheel is in perfect contact with the road and is pointing in exactly the right direction - and it wants to tell you that constantly. It’s akin to the ride of a Porsche GT3 - rigid and very communicative.

The steering was a bit light for my liking but I suspect that’s adjustable. As for power delivery, talk about smooth! The best analogy I can find is that it’s like opening sluice gates. Smooooth, gushing and immensely powerful.

I had a good blast around some country roads near the factory and it’s a very competent car. I didn’t get to sample autobahns but with such sure footedness and smooth delivery, it’s sure to gobble up miles with ease.

Not enough drama?

The only – and probably unfair – criticism I can aim at the car is that it’s so good at doing everything so smoothly that it lacks some of the drama you’d expect from a car looking like this. Maybe that’s down to the soundtrack. That well muffled V8 is begging to be opened up through some drainpipe exhausts but German regulations would strictly prohibit that.

Right hand drive production is planned for the next two years so we may be lucky enough to see some more on British roads with some more sporty exhausts barking at the competition.

What’s in store from Wiesmann? The initial focus is on improving the production facilities to allow those 100 cars a year to be built more efficiently along with some improvements to the designs to ensure they remain state of the art.

Wiesmann’s agreement with BMW should also see the each new generation of running gear made available to the company. Draw your own conclusions...

Author
Discussion

cml

Original Poster:

721 posts

269 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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It's a beauty. The front lights are a tad trendy and the grill is a bit too consciously old-fashioned however the profile is lovely and the back of the GT is pure joy. None sign of the hideous ‘fat arse stuck in the air’ styling that is everywhere on mainstream cars.

My main grumble? Well, and I apologise for sounding so small-minded and petty and racist here but: its German! If I wanted a car that evokes the golden days of the classic British sports car then I would really prefer it not to have a Bavarian Motor Works engine. No offence. Of course, it will probably be disappointingly reliable. Bah.

How much?

dick dastardly

8,316 posts

270 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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It looks more suited to cruising round Gotham City than Surrey. Not that that's a bad thing.

xjsjohn

16,034 posts

226 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Had one of these park next to me at the petrol pumps on the way to Spa F1 last year .... it looks even more fantastic in the metal ..... and i want one!!

Jeffers_S13

21 posts

266 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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That is gorgeous ! I just have to wait about 10 years till I can afford a secondhand one

Chris71

21,548 posts

249 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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I know its German but I want one

(same argument for Heidi Klum...)

antonyb

277 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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loved it since the day i saw the prototype pics.
cannot wait for that right hander and some fruity exhausts.

im saving for my deposit!

mr fix it

473 posts

275 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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I agree that this car is the nuts. Will also have to wait years for the right hander and a reasonable 2nd hand price. I think Clarkson tested one in the last series of Top Gear and I think he liked it?

oagent

1,920 posts

250 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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I see in the other new thread today that BMW are looking for a Z8 replacement. Look no further surely.... Just buy a Wiesmann and you get the nice running gear without the horrid recent BMW styling mistakes.

billb

3,198 posts

272 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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love it its a natural austin healey successor in looks

s2ooz

3,005 posts

291 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Im sure someone with a photo editor could show my worries of a full sized GB plate on the front? Its going to ruin the look of a rather sexy beast.

Paul Drawmer

4,960 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Fancied one of these for a long time. The company had a couple of cars at the MPH show and I got to sit in them. The Wiesmann for me is one of those cars that I just 'want'. Great interior, stunning looks outside, and I do like BMW mechanicals. Oh and I got a CD full of great photos as well, auto porn as far as I'm concerned.

There is a UK agent in Surrey, and I think that Wiesmann are going to be either at the BMW meet at Gaydon later in the year, or at the BMWCC Silverstone track day in the autumn.

r988

7,495 posts

236 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Which BMW V8 does it have? the //M version or the 4.4L standard one?

scottpm

1,034 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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was at the Monaco car show last year and they were giving rides in their demonstrator around the F1 circuit...awesome....and sounds great in the tunnel. Also, you get a lot more attention than your run of the mill fezza or porka!!!

hunttheshunt

1,093 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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4.8 from the X5 methinks, 360bhp. Liked the roadster but love that. Have a feeling it's about £70K LHD, but still want it please!!

cobra289

54 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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They must be unbelievably reliable. I had a look at their web site and looked under used cars. There's one with 134,000 km & one with over 180,000.
Personally I think I'd get sick to death of it after half that mileage, but I can't imagine any TVR's out there with anything like that on the clock.
Having said that they are £65,000 plus which IMHO is an huge amount of dosh for a fairly average looking car & performing car.

morebeanz

3,283 posts

243 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Cerbera headlights, anyone!? Not that I think in any way detracts from the look, which is stunning!

That said, I would have hoped for more performance from that sort of car, expecially at the price...

shadowfax

1,103 posts

248 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Gonna say, surprised Ted aint put prices in the piece. If you gotta ask, ey....?
Looks lovely though - Aero 8 meets Bentley meets MGA. Nice one, Herr Wiesmann

dinkel

27,169 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Great car, I like it since I first saw it . . . the description is exactly what I thought it would be. This is IMO the chique bro of the Marcos TSO . . .

simond001

4,519 posts

284 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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That V8 looks like a straight 6 to me??

annodomini2

6,908 posts

258 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Doesn't anyone feel such a beautiful car should really have the M5 V10, to give it the performance edge it needs in this market? (especially at the price they charge!)