This factory is ground zero for VAG's massive EV bet....
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06...
Interesting article...and a massive commitment.
Interesting article...and a massive commitment.
This was one of the massive moves I was talking about 2 years ago when people were saying EVs would never happen 
and there’s more to come.. 
Anyone seen the latest smmt report for uk car sales ?
Eta link: https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/09/uk-electric-car-reg...
and there’s more to come.. Anyone seen the latest smmt report for uk car sales ?
Eta link: https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/09/uk-electric-car-reg...
Edited by Pvapour on Saturday 7th September 07:01
RDMcG said:
No question.
Lots of press about the Taycan but it is only a small part of the VAG strategy. This is a staggering investment by VAG and of course they will not be alone.
They others will follow because of fear of being left behindLots of press about the Taycan but it is only a small part of the VAG strategy. This is a staggering investment by VAG and of course they will not be alone.
I just wish VW would hurry up and sell the Buzz
We’ve been waiting a while but aware it was going to happen, new car registrations down again, ths time by 1.6% but BEVs (battery only EVs) were up 5 fold.
i doubt we’ll see this multiple drop now as ice sales will go down & down, the new BIK rules will see fleet sales move in on BEV sales figures now
August / sept 2019 was a turning point imo..
Still, not a time to go silently (as ford usa are marketing their last ice sales) and i agree, make the most of it everyone, flame is always brightest just before it goes out, BOOM!
i doubt we’ll see this multiple drop now as ice sales will go down & down, the new BIK rules will see fleet sales move in on BEV sales figures now
August / sept 2019 was a turning point imo..
Still, not a time to go silently (as ford usa are marketing their last ice sales) and i agree, make the most of it everyone, flame is always brightest just before it goes out, BOOM!
RDMcG said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06...
Interesting article...and a massive commitment.
I am not convinced Electric here will be the way forward for many years, we just can't product electricity in sufficient quantity. Interesting article...and a massive commitment.
JMBMWM5 said:
am not convinced Electric here will be the way forward for many years, we just can't product electricity in sufficient quantity.
By using smart chargers and cost incentives you can get most EVs charged in the spare grid capacity off peak times
https://www.carbonbrief.org/rise-uk-electric-vehic...
Dave Hedgehog said:
JMBMWM5 said:
am not convinced Electric here will be the way forward for many years, we just can't product electricity in sufficient quantity.
By using smart chargers and cost incentives you can get most EVs charged in the spare grid capacity off peak times
https://www.carbonbrief.org/rise-uk-electric-vehic...
Thers so many different possible ways to improve how we currently use electricity that frees up capacity, its a non issue that non changers like to use as support.
Pvapour said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
JMBMWM5 said:
am not convinced Electric here will be the way forward for many years, we just can't product electricity in sufficient quantity.
By using smart chargers and cost incentives you can get most EVs charged in the spare grid capacity off peak times
https://www.carbonbrief.org/rise-uk-electric-vehic...
Thers so many different possible ways to improve how we currently use electricity that frees up capacity, its a non issue that non changers like to use as support.
Using electricity overnight used to be cheap, off peak. Can overnight still be off peak with 5 million cars charging up? No, the electricity companies will increase prices. Cheapest time might well become 2-3pm when people at work are working and people at home just watching something on a laptop or out at the garden center, in the local library, down the swimming pool.And all those cars are not charging up.
Ironically it is easier for sustainable energy resources in Britain, solar and wind, to generate more energy during day light hours. Storage for people using more electricity at night then becomes an issue. Perhaps dirty dirty expensive nuclear will provide. ????
Pvapour said:
This was one of the massive moves I was talking about 2 years ago when people were saying EVs would never happen and there’s more to come..
Anyone seen the latest smmt report for uk car sales ?
Eta link: https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/09/uk-electric-car-reg...
BEV's get 0.9% of the market, wowee. and there’s more to come.. Anyone seen the latest smmt report for uk car sales ?
Eta link: https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/09/uk-electric-car-reg...
The PHEV and other variants are being heavily promoted using company car tax incentives. The reality is you have people driving about in 2.2 ton 530e's using petrol power and similar not because they want to or because it is particularly economical but because it is the only way they can reduce their company car tax. In the circumstances I'm surprised its not more.
As to VW, they have to do what the politicians tell them. They have no choice. In 1939 Hitler told them to build tanks. That went well. Where will the politicians be when the whole thing unravels? Nowhere to be seen, leaving the taxpayer to pay to clear the whole sorry mess up.
I'm pleased that you like your electric vehicle. It is however of zero use to me or a very large part of the population because we have no facility to charge at home or at work. I would agree that we don't have the electrical infrastructure to support EV's in any form, nor will we unless our nuclear generation capacity is increased. The tech simply doesn't work, and everyone I know who owns or has owned an electric vehicle agrees with that.
This is not about tipping points. This is about how far Governments are prepared to go to force people to use electric cars, because, enthusiasts like yourself apart I don't see any inclination among the population as a whole to take this gamble. I won't, that's for sure.
Look at the past. Every political attempt to step into a brave utopian new world has ended in catastrophe, and usually enormous loss of life. This is another such effort. it is not, repeat not, technology driven because the technology despite the best efforts of the greatest brains out there and gazillions of dollars of investment, still doesn't work. it's the cart pulling the horse.
I think EVs are helpful in having cleaner air in metropolitan areas. The EV itself it’s simple and fine to drive the issue at present is electricity storage and current battery tech is still many years of being really good. I mean being light, compact and with good capacity. If we find/develop battery tech like that it may be a good way forward but I don’t see a massive improvement.
Other alternative is to find a clean way to generate electricity without need of massive battery packs. Fuel cell/hydrogen can work but it’s not practically in terms of hydrogen storage.
Both would be good for an environment pointing view regarding air quality, neither are really environmentally friendly if you account production/manufacturing and electricity generation.
Let’s see where we go I think government policy forcing users to change might be a bit early considering tech development stage at present. probably in 30 years we will have a really good solution.
Other alternative is to find a clean way to generate electricity without need of massive battery packs. Fuel cell/hydrogen can work but it’s not practically in terms of hydrogen storage.
Both would be good for an environment pointing view regarding air quality, neither are really environmentally friendly if you account production/manufacturing and electricity generation.
Let’s see where we go I think government policy forcing users to change might be a bit early considering tech development stage at present. probably in 30 years we will have a really good solution.
cardigankid said:
BEV's get 0.9% of the market, wowee.
The PHEV and other variants are being heavily promoted using company car tax incentives. The reality is you have people driving about in 2.2 ton 530e's using petrol power and similar not because they want to or because it is particularly economical but because it is the only way they can reduce their company car tax. In the circumstances I'm surprised its not more.
As to VW, they have to do what the politicians tell them. They have no choice. In 1939 Hitler told them to build tanks. That went well. Where will the politicians be when the whole thing unravels? Nowhere to be seen, leaving the taxpayer to pay to clear the whole sorry mess up.
I'm pleased that you like your electric vehicle. It is however of zero use to me or a very large part of the population because we have no facility to charge at home or at work. I would agree that we don't have the electrical infrastructure to support EV's in any form, nor will we unless our nuclear generation capacity is increased. The tech simply doesn't work, and everyone I know who owns or has owned an electric vehicle agrees with that.
This is not about tipping points. This is about how far Governments are prepared to go to force people to use electric cars, because, enthusiasts like yourself apart I don't see any inclination among the population as a whole to take this gamble. I won't, that's for sure.
Look at the past. Every political attempt to step into a brave utopian new world has ended in catastrophe, and usually enormous loss of life. This is another such effort. it is not, repeat not, technology driven because the technology despite the best efforts of the greatest brains out there and gazillions of dollars of investment, still doesn't work. it's the cart pulling the horse.
:facepalm:The PHEV and other variants are being heavily promoted using company car tax incentives. The reality is you have people driving about in 2.2 ton 530e's using petrol power and similar not because they want to or because it is particularly economical but because it is the only way they can reduce their company car tax. In the circumstances I'm surprised its not more.
As to VW, they have to do what the politicians tell them. They have no choice. In 1939 Hitler told them to build tanks. That went well. Where will the politicians be when the whole thing unravels? Nowhere to be seen, leaving the taxpayer to pay to clear the whole sorry mess up.
I'm pleased that you like your electric vehicle. It is however of zero use to me or a very large part of the population because we have no facility to charge at home or at work. I would agree that we don't have the electrical infrastructure to support EV's in any form, nor will we unless our nuclear generation capacity is increased. The tech simply doesn't work, and everyone I know who owns or has owned an electric vehicle agrees with that.
This is not about tipping points. This is about how far Governments are prepared to go to force people to use electric cars, because, enthusiasts like yourself apart I don't see any inclination among the population as a whole to take this gamble. I won't, that's for sure.
Look at the past. Every political attempt to step into a brave utopian new world has ended in catastrophe, and usually enormous loss of life. This is another such effort. it is not, repeat not, technology driven because the technology despite the best efforts of the greatest brains out there and gazillions of dollars of investment, still doesn't work. it's the cart pulling the horse.
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I could say the same about you. I take it that you are a MMGW believer? Discredited 1980's pseudo science being pushed by politicians. As to telling kids the world is coming to an end, that is child abuse, and I hope I live to see the perpetrators brought to account for it.
Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
cardigankid said:
I could say the same about you. I take it that you are a MMGW believer? Discredited 1980's pseudo science being pushed by politicians. As to telling kids the world is coming to an end, that is child abuse, and I hope I live to see the perpetrators brought to account for it.
Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
It really is a shame I won't be around in half a century, to see you deniers backpedalling like crazy. Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
You are extremely keen on dismissing pseudo science, what is your field of expertise?
And you might not want an EV, but you seem to have been taking lessons from St Elon in how to make friends and influence people!
cardigankid said:
I could say the same about you. I take it that you are a MMGW believer? Discredited 1980's pseudo science being pushed by politicians. As to telling kids the world is coming to an end, that is child abuse, and I hope I live to see the perpetrators brought to account for it.
Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
I’m not a salesman for ev, if you cant work it out then don't buy one.Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
Say what you like about me, i couldnt care less mayey
I never have and never will 
nobody cares what you think or if you ‘believe’ or not, if you dont, then thats up to you, time will educate you, not me.You’re so uptight.
Pvapour said:
cardigankid said:
I could say the same about you. I take it that you are a MMGW believer? Discredited 1980's pseudo science being pushed by politicians. As to telling kids the world is coming to an end, that is child abuse, and I hope I live to see the perpetrators brought to account for it.
Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
I’m not a salesman for ev, if you cant work it out then don't buy one.Apart from that, why do I want an EV?
Say what you like about me, i couldnt care less mayey
I never have and never will nobody cares what you think or if you ‘believe’ or not, if you dont, then thats up to you, time will educate you, not me.You’re so uptight.
I'll grant you that EV's in town centres make sense, however, to the extent that it has to do with private cars that relates to the politically driven push to diesel, now proven nonsense. And it has to be matched by buses, trucks and taxis. Elsewhere, they make little sense, and to make cars heavier rather than lighter is perverse from every perspective.
cardigankid said:
If I'm uptight its because there is a major crisis in Britain, but it's not too much CO2, which does not represent any threat to the planet whatsoever, it's Eco Fascists who intend to destroy our economy and our standard of living, for political, not scientific reasons. The science of MMGW is a joke.
I'll grant you that EV's in town centres make sense, however, to the extent that it has to do with private cars that relates to the politically driven push to diesel, now proven nonsense. And it has to be matched by buses, trucks and taxis. Elsewhere, they make little sense, and to make cars heavier rather than lighter is perverse from every perspective.
damn right, i wish trump would shut them all down including the fake moon landers at NASA who continue to publish rubbish like this...I'll grant you that EV's in town centres make sense, however, to the extent that it has to do with private cars that relates to the politically driven push to diesel, now proven nonsense. And it has to be matched by buses, trucks and taxis. Elsewhere, they make little sense, and to make cars heavier rather than lighter is perverse from every perspective.
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