Nurburgring cracking down on youtubers
Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsInDI2gj84
Apparently showing what can go wrong on a lap by amateurs is not good for the Nburgring bottom line.
I can see this being a double edged-sword so to speak.
On one side there are those who are regularly filming and uploading to youtube (and making a profit from it likely). They are capturing people's crashes and also of course the typical driving that is seen these days on the track. This is good to inform those who are thinking of going to the track or keeping an interest for regulars.
On the other side is the "duty of care" from the track organisers, in that if people are fully aware they are being filmed, then they tend to drive in a manner to show off so that they can be featured on youtube.
Youtube corner (aka Brunchen-in and Brunchen-out), regularly sees stupid behaviour, some of the videos demonstrating that drivers are more focussed on showing off than adhering to yellow flags or people who are at danger on track.
So I can see both sides of the argument.
But at the moment I am leaning towards supporting the Nurburgring on this as I'd like to see the track remain open to the public and not closed down through b0ll0x legal cases regarding filming that may occur if there are injuries or fatalities involved. As its these situations that may cause the "do gooders" to argue a case for closing the track for good.
I think it should become a similarity for "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Then the exposure is minimised to the do-gooders who would be happy to see the track closed.
On one side there are those who are regularly filming and uploading to youtube (and making a profit from it likely). They are capturing people's crashes and also of course the typical driving that is seen these days on the track. This is good to inform those who are thinking of going to the track or keeping an interest for regulars.
On the other side is the "duty of care" from the track organisers, in that if people are fully aware they are being filmed, then they tend to drive in a manner to show off so that they can be featured on youtube.
Youtube corner (aka Brunchen-in and Brunchen-out), regularly sees stupid behaviour, some of the videos demonstrating that drivers are more focussed on showing off than adhering to yellow flags or people who are at danger on track.
So I can see both sides of the argument.
But at the moment I am leaning towards supporting the Nurburgring on this as I'd like to see the track remain open to the public and not closed down through b0ll0x legal cases regarding filming that may occur if there are injuries or fatalities involved. As its these situations that may cause the "do gooders" to argue a case for closing the track for good.
I think it should become a similarity for "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Then the exposure is minimised to the do-gooders who would be happy to see the track closed.
Misha’s video that he mentions (they let him sit on the track to make it) covers some of why they don’t want crash videos
Like many other countries there is a growing band of car hating loony alt leftists in Germany and they want the ring closed for being dangerous (and auto barns restricted) so they don’t want to give them fuel to support their lunacy. It’s also why they are not allowed to show or mention lap times on days the track is open to the public.
It’s not ideal but it’s better than loosing the ring.
Like many other countries there is a growing band of car hating loony alt leftists in Germany and they want the ring closed for being dangerous (and auto barns restricted) so they don’t want to give them fuel to support their lunacy. It’s also why they are not allowed to show or mention lap times on days the track is open to the public.
It’s not ideal but it’s better than loosing the ring.
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Saturday 31st August 10:20
V10leptoquark said:
I can see this being a double edged-sword so to speak.
On one side there are those who are regularly filming and uploading to youtube (and making a profit from it likely). They are capturing people's crashes and also of course the typical driving that is seen these days on the track. This is good to inform those who are thinking of going to the track or keeping an interest for regulars.
On the other side is the "duty of care" from the track organisers, in that if people are fully aware they are being filmed, then they tend to drive in a manner to show off so that they can be featured on youtube.
Youtube corner (aka Brunchen-in and Brunchen-out), regularly sees stupid behaviour, some of the videos demonstrating that drivers are more focussed on showing off than adhering to yellow flags or people who are at danger on track.
So I can see both sides of the argument.
But at the moment I am leaning towards supporting the Nurburgring on this as I'd like to see the track remain open to the public and not closed down through b0ll0x legal cases regarding filming that may occur if there are injuries or fatalities involved. As its these situations that may cause the "do gooders" to argue a case for closing the track for good.
I think it should become a similarity for "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Then the exposure is minimised to the do-gooders who would be happy to see the track closed.
From what I understand from Auto Addiction while the filming of crashes is one thing it's more to do with a media license and apparently them making loads of money from the footage. On one side there are those who are regularly filming and uploading to youtube (and making a profit from it likely). They are capturing people's crashes and also of course the typical driving that is seen these days on the track. This is good to inform those who are thinking of going to the track or keeping an interest for regulars.
On the other side is the "duty of care" from the track organisers, in that if people are fully aware they are being filmed, then they tend to drive in a manner to show off so that they can be featured on youtube.
Youtube corner (aka Brunchen-in and Brunchen-out), regularly sees stupid behaviour, some of the videos demonstrating that drivers are more focussed on showing off than adhering to yellow flags or people who are at danger on track.
So I can see both sides of the argument.
But at the moment I am leaning towards supporting the Nurburgring on this as I'd like to see the track remain open to the public and not closed down through b0ll0x legal cases regarding filming that may occur if there are injuries or fatalities involved. As its these situations that may cause the "do gooders" to argue a case for closing the track for good.
I think it should become a similarity for "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Then the exposure is minimised to the do-gooders who would be happy to see the track closed.
Nurburgring Gmbh have apparently reached out multiple times with no response from Auto Addition, but Auto Addiction claim it is them who has been reaching out to Nurburging Gmbh and receiving no reply.
Personally I know who I believe in that !!
Anyway, there will always be people filming from Youtube corner and other corners on the track.
Stupid behaviour will never stop or go away, the Ring needs to just embrace it. They are not going to "close the track because of injury" - you waive those rights when you enter the circuit as per the huge boards plastered on the ticket office and the Devils Diner, the entry gates and various fences!
hello all, recently joined PH and this thread took my notice
I've been a regular to the Nuerbugring over the past 15 years or so and I think this crack-down on youtubers videoing people on track may be a good thing.
Reason being is because over the years I've been driving round the track I've noticed the standard of driving become lower and also more frequently reckless - especially on areas of the track known for youtubers.
I first started visiting the track back in 2004 when it was a simple 11 or 12 euros per lap. The track was quite busy even back then but there was already a well established conduct and attitude for driving there. The influx of non-German drivers was sort of just starting around that time and videoing was something only done for personal use.
Over the years as the track has gained more notoriety and there are many more visitors from outside Germany, the standards of driving have lowered and the careless attitude seems to have increased. This increase in my opinion is because of people wanting to show off at any expense, even if it means totalling their car (and others) for the sake of a few seconds on youtube.
If the track is to continue as a place of motoring enthusiasm then I think a crack-down on the factors that lead to people having an excuse to call for the track to be closed should be recognised and dealt with. In doing so we can hope the track stays open for many years to come, whereby many can enjoy the marvel of the 22km in their own cars.
On top of that I would even go one stage further and have the circuit cameras looking out for obvious dangerous driving, whereby those driving on track causing a real danger to others will be held accountable for their actions.
Otherwise, I fear the track will be closed to the public due to health and safety concerns, which would be a huge shame to genuine driving enthusiasts.
I've been a regular to the Nuerbugring over the past 15 years or so and I think this crack-down on youtubers videoing people on track may be a good thing.
Reason being is because over the years I've been driving round the track I've noticed the standard of driving become lower and also more frequently reckless - especially on areas of the track known for youtubers.
I first started visiting the track back in 2004 when it was a simple 11 or 12 euros per lap. The track was quite busy even back then but there was already a well established conduct and attitude for driving there. The influx of non-German drivers was sort of just starting around that time and videoing was something only done for personal use.
Over the years as the track has gained more notoriety and there are many more visitors from outside Germany, the standards of driving have lowered and the careless attitude seems to have increased. This increase in my opinion is because of people wanting to show off at any expense, even if it means totalling their car (and others) for the sake of a few seconds on youtube.
If the track is to continue as a place of motoring enthusiasm then I think a crack-down on the factors that lead to people having an excuse to call for the track to be closed should be recognised and dealt with. In doing so we can hope the track stays open for many years to come, whereby many can enjoy the marvel of the 22km in their own cars.
On top of that I would even go one stage further and have the circuit cameras looking out for obvious dangerous driving, whereby those driving on track causing a real danger to others will be held accountable for their actions.
Otherwise, I fear the track will be closed to the public due to health and safety concerns, which would be a huge shame to genuine driving enthusiasts.
ZeroGroundZero said:
hello all, recently joined PH and this thread took my notice
I've been a regular to the Nuerbugring over the past 15 years or so and I think this crack-down on youtubers videoing people on track may be a good thing.
Reason being is because over the years I've been driving round the track I've noticed the standard of driving become lower and also more frequently reckless - especially on areas of the track known for youtubers.
I first started visiting the track back in 2004 when it was a simple 11 or 12 euros per lap. The track was quite busy even back then but there was already a well established conduct and attitude for driving there. The influx of non-German drivers was sort of just starting around that time and videoing was something only done for personal use.
Over the years as the track has gained more notoriety and there are many more visitors from outside Germany, the standards of driving have lowered and the careless attitude seems to have increased. This increase in my opinion is because of people wanting to show off at any expense, even if it means totalling their car (and others) for the sake of a few seconds on youtube.
If the track is to continue as a place of motoring enthusiasm then I think a crack-down on the factors that lead to people having an excuse to call for the track to be closed should be recognised and dealt with. In doing so we can hope the track stays open for many years to come, whereby many can enjoy the marvel of the 22km in their own cars.
On top of that I would even go one stage further and have the circuit cameras looking out for obvious dangerous driving, whereby those driving on track causing a real danger to others will be held accountable for their actions.
Otherwise, I fear the track will be closed to the public due to health and safety concerns, which would be a huge shame to genuine driving enthusiasts.
No no no!I've been a regular to the Nuerbugring over the past 15 years or so and I think this crack-down on youtubers videoing people on track may be a good thing.
Reason being is because over the years I've been driving round the track I've noticed the standard of driving become lower and also more frequently reckless - especially on areas of the track known for youtubers.
I first started visiting the track back in 2004 when it was a simple 11 or 12 euros per lap. The track was quite busy even back then but there was already a well established conduct and attitude for driving there. The influx of non-German drivers was sort of just starting around that time and videoing was something only done for personal use.
Over the years as the track has gained more notoriety and there are many more visitors from outside Germany, the standards of driving have lowered and the careless attitude seems to have increased. This increase in my opinion is because of people wanting to show off at any expense, even if it means totalling their car (and others) for the sake of a few seconds on youtube.
If the track is to continue as a place of motoring enthusiasm then I think a crack-down on the factors that lead to people having an excuse to call for the track to be closed should be recognised and dealt with. In doing so we can hope the track stays open for many years to come, whereby many can enjoy the marvel of the 22km in their own cars.
On top of that I would even go one stage further and have the circuit cameras looking out for obvious dangerous driving, whereby those driving on track causing a real danger to others will be held accountable for their actions.
Otherwise, I fear the track will be closed to the public due to health and safety concerns, which would be a huge shame to genuine driving enthusiasts.
Official cameras on the circuit will be playing directly into the lefty's hands. Christ almighty, we'll be getting speed traps next, all in the name of safety.
We need more freedoms and less restrictions in general, this includes letting people film what they want, when they want on a public track.
Typical "I've been going longer than most" reply. I daresay your standard of driving was lower on your first lap than your most recent. The fact that more people go today is the same reason you still get to enjoy it, otherwise it will most likely be a garden of weeds rather than freshly laid tarmac.
Well, I think the choice is fairly clear, either a crack down on drivers and factors that cause the lefties to go up in arms against the track, or allow more freedoms to create more dangerous driving and accidents which will give the lefties all the ammo they need to push the german government in to action to close it.
p.s.
I didn't mean to come across as a "typical I've been there more than others type of reply" - had no idea there were many of these threads on PH for it to become a typical reply. I'm just trying to offer my experience from which my opinion is formed.
p.s.
I didn't mean to come across as a "typical I've been there more than others type of reply" - had no idea there were many of these threads on PH for it to become a typical reply. I'm just trying to offer my experience from which my opinion is formed.
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