RE: UK's first car-pooling lane announced

RE: UK's first car-pooling lane announced

Friday 10th December 2004

UK's first car-pooling lane announced

Sharing cars beats congestion is government mantra


The government's new scheme for cutting motorway congestion is a car-pooling lane. It's an idea already in widepread use in the US (right). The government hopes this will cut congestion and improve journey times by creating a dedicated lane reserved for vehicles carrying two or more people. A trial scheme will start on the M1, according to transport secretary Alistair Darling yesterday.

High occupancy vehicle (HOV) or carpool lanes aim to encourage drivers to share cars. Britain's first HOV motorway lane will be trialled on the M1 between junctions 7 and 10 (Milton Keynes South to St Albans). The car sharing lane will operate at peak times to help minimise delay and congestion for road users. Work is due to start in autumn 2005.

Work is already planned to widen the motorway at this point from dual three lanes to dual four lanes. The Highways Agency estimates that there would be five per cent fewer cars on the road if car sharing were adopted.

If the scheme proves successful, the Government will consider extending the car-sharing lane as far as Junction 13 when this section of the motorway is widened.

Three other sites on motorways in England were also studied by the Highways Agency, which manages the country's motorways, to see whether the sites would be suitable for the pilot scheme.

The four sites were:

  • M1 Jct 13 - 7
  • M3 Jct 3 - 2 (into London)
  • M61 Jct 6-3 (near Bolton)
  • M62 Jct 25-27 (Brighouse to Leeds)

Darling said, "The government is determined to tackle congestion - adding capacity where necessary and making better use of existing road space. Carpool lanes encourage drivers to share their vehicle by providing dedicated lanes for vehicles with passengers.

"Making better use of our road network, these lanes have been used to great effect both in America and Australia and could play a key role in reducing congestion on Britain's motorways. I hope motorists will be encouraged to consider carpooling and take advantage of the new lanes. It works elsewhere and there is no reason why it can't work here as well."

Darling added that the Highways Agency is will now carry out further investigations into introducing car-sharing lanes on the M61 and M62.

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lucozade

Original Poster:

2,574 posts

286 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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I'm not saying anything other than this.

PUBLIC TRANSPORT !

v8thunder

27,646 posts

265 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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If they can allow cars with more than one person in them in bus lanes fair enough, but -

what are the chances of someone living on your road also works in the same place you do?

What if they're ill? Does that make you late?

What if you only give people a lift one-way?

driller

8,310 posts

285 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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How long before single drivers start putting blow up dolls and scarecrows on the seat next to them

Driller

Rigs

44 posts

247 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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So all the snobs that get driven everywhere can skip the queues! niiiceeee...

I wonder if Mr Darling gets driven down the M1 to work every day?

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

241 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Er, M1 J10 isn't MK South.

wolves_wanderer

12,631 posts

244 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Come on chaps, it's obvious that the solution to congestion is a reduction in the amount of road space

JagLover

43,750 posts

242 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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I don't use the Motorways much for work. so usually the only time I use them is when I am with my lady wife.

So good news for me and I believe they are adding an extra lane-so it will increase capacity for everyone.

Once this is in place they will have to let you undertake the people in the multi-occupancy lane otherwise lardy mpv's will hold everything up. There is also another important practical difficulty as slower vehicles have to cross three lanes of traffic
to get there.

fergusd

1,247 posts

277 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Anybody who's driven in the US where car share lanes are common . . . will know that most of the time they are empty . . .

And yes people over there do use blow up passengers to break the rules . . .

Fd

crankedup

25,764 posts

250 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Ang about, am I missing something here, if one lane is for multi occupied vehicles and one lane is for lorries, we have a lane for buses only? how many lanes do we have a most motorways then

Capt' Sin-ickle.

Liszt

4,330 posts

277 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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How do they monitor this? If I have my kids in the back, who can't be seen, am I going to be spanked?

And is J10 the new outer limit of the Milton Keynes expansion plan?

Or is the plan to wipe Luton off the map and renumber the junctions?

britten_mark

1,593 posts

260 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Time for some heavily tinted windows methinks :-)

Wouldn't better use of roadspace come from ENFORCING lane discipline? Never mind "education", middle/outside lane hoggers will always be tw*ts; a fine or preferably brief spell in the clink may wake them up

loveice

652 posts

254 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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How about the Smart????!!!! Do I have to take a passenger with me in order to use that lane? How can u compare a full-size SUV or a 5 metre long luxury saloon (which may have a driver and a passenger) with a 2.5 metre long Smart (which may just have one drive)?????? Of cos, people who invented this idea and who set this law would never drive a little £6000 city car like me! They probably drive tax payers' XJs or RangeRovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps. they must have their own drivers. so they can use the lane they invented!

>> Edited by loveice on Friday 10th December 11:56

cliffe_mafia

1,673 posts

245 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Coming to a motorway near you soon

Lets face it these government trials are always such a roaring success because a politician cannot accept being wrong.

Piccy mate

541 posts

244 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Did you notice that the lanes will be operative both ways in and out of London?
So morning and evening rush hours will have a HOV lane empty anyway?
Next thing could be charging SOVs to use the HOV lanes when they're under used.
Also see that although they're gonna do the M62 into Leeds, they're not going to do the same for the M1 into Leeds and that can be just as bad from J39 onwards.
Piccy

whoateallthepies

4,264 posts

241 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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driller said:
How long before single drivers start putting blow up dolls and scarecrows on the seat next to them

Driller


There has been one of these on the Stanningley bypass into Leeds for a good couple of years now.

Already seen it done mate, it's amazing what you see when you are sat in a large queue of traffic watching the virtually empty lane next to you at 8.50am!!!!!!!

Teach motorway discipline as part of the test, and put some trafpol out there to catch the miscreants, that's what I say

griffter

4,030 posts

262 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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Confining my comments to the article itself, this seems a positive step. The motorway is being widened to accomodate the car-sharing lane as an extra lane. This is a good thing for lone drivers. It will only be operational at peak times. This also seems to be a sensible idea.

I wouldn't use it, because most of my motorway mileage is done alone, and anyway, car-sharing impacts freedom of departure and arrival times, and I'd always rather drive than be driven.

But building an EXTRA lane for car-sharers to use seems OK to me.

106rallye1

31 posts

243 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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the problem with all the DOT bollocks about car sharing etc is that it just dicks around the edges without trying to solve anything. No one in their right mind would give up private transport, withthe current state of public transport on offer so therefore the government continues to rape us of our money. If you want to reduce congestion you have to think outside the box.

What about tax breaks for businesses who enable 50% of their workforce to work from home? that'll reduce the congestion. but it'll never happen as they will lose money in car tax, fuel duty as less people will be driving.

even though they would save money on not having to build roads, less car crashes etc.

ora23362

3 posts

239 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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so what about Bikes? Will they be stopped from using the lane without a passenger? - It wouldn't surprise me...

jvaughan

6,025 posts

290 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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What makes me laugh is if the government got tougher with people and lane dicipline, then concestion could be reduced, the average speed in busy times could be increased, and we would all get to our destinations much quicker.

Why do some people dislike the inside or middle lanes ?
I followed a car yesterday for a number of miles up the M3... he was in lane 3, i was in lane 1. His speed was equal to mine, yet even travelling at the speed limit, I started to pass on the left. Eventually, I was a good few car lenths infront, and he still decided lane 3 was best for him.
On the bike, I laugh sometimes, when I see people tailgating... touching their brake lights cos they are too close.. that impacts the traffic behind, and next thing you know there has been a bump or just another tailback, with cars at the rear having to stop.
I have even noticed some people donot like bikers filtering past when they are virtually stationary.

People who use lane 3 until the 300meter marker, then decide to exit the motorway at the offslip.

Grrrr...

pi55edoffnow

52 posts

255 months

Friday 10th December 2004
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just vote them out problem solved they have caused the problem by blocking up the cities with the traffic calming measures congestion charges oh and on they point does it mean no congestion charge for mov thought not also why are the country lanes being slowed down ?.