Tuscan engine rebuild
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T88CAN said:
Why???
Because it is a fair question that gives an insight into the potential costs of owning an early (i.e. out of warranty) Tuscan?
and said:
If you're out of manufacturer's warrantly period - 2 to 2.5k + VAT, Plus Cats & Sensor's if they're toasted.
Sounds cheap...(or rather less than I thought). Hmm...maybe time to chop the Chim in for a Tuscan
I imagine it depends on what needs rebuilding.I'm sure it could be a bit more than that if things realy went wrong.
Remember you can't rely on a warranty paying out.They're slippery little suckers.
The end of the day they are a whole lot of fun for not a great deal of money.Go into it with your eye's open,get it checked and a warranty(not that i go a great deal on them)and then if it goes pop worry about it then!
>> Edited by grimbo on Wednesday 7th January 20:27
Remember you can't rely on a warranty paying out.They're slippery little suckers.
The end of the day they are a whole lot of fun for not a great deal of money.Go into it with your eye's open,get it checked and a warranty(not that i go a great deal on them)and then if it goes pop worry about it then!
>> Edited by grimbo on Wednesday 7th January 20:27
hi, i bought a 2001 car whith an engine rebuild, i had it checked out before i bought it and it was fine. a month after owning it has gone to the factory for another rebuild, the timing chain is buggered (sh*t happens)!!!! not only am i having it fixed but i am going to have it built up to 2003 spec!!
not sure on a definite price yet will let you know?
not sure on a definite price yet will let you know?
2 blue said:
hi, i bought a 2001 car whith an engine rebuild, i had it checked out before i bought it and it was fine. a month after owning it has gone to the factory for another rebuild, the timing chain is buggered (sh*t happens)!!!! not only am i having it fixed but i am going to have it built up to 2003 spec!!
not sure on a definite price yet will let you know?
Cheers would like to no.
When im ready to get 1 try and get with with the engine done recently.
£4600 sounds bad - what exactly needed doing on that then???
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I see plotloss has closed the other thread on here, odd - I could see it heading in an enevitable direction too. I am confused by your comment on how "not all the cars are affected"? its certainly an extremely large percentage of cars - and any that havent had a problem simply dont seem to do the mileage to allow for it to happen.
Im still waiting for someone to advance on 19,000 miles *WITHOUT* any engine work - yet not all the cars are effected?? The Tuscan has been available for three years and no one has yet come forward and admitted they have beaten 19k??? Thats simply unacceptable for an engine.
I can't understand why so many people are so happy to cover it up? Why close that thread because its enevitable that someone was about to state the obvious??? I cant believe this nonsense is still going on and its *still* being heavily moderated to stop people asking about longivity.
Yet silly posts about how peoples nearly brand new Tuscans can manage pathetic mileages without problems are still on here?? Whats more damaging then - someone asking for the MAXIMUM they can expect an engine to last? - Or someone saying in suprise that thier brand new car got through 6k without a problem????
These are fantastic cars being ruined by unreliability and owners who are unwilling to admit to any problems at all. It really doesnt help matters that whenever anyone gets close to talking about it the moderators come into force and close everything straight away.
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Sorry, had to get it off my chest. No doubt this will get binned, but it had to be said.
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I see plotloss has closed the other thread on here, odd - I could see it heading in an enevitable direction too. I am confused by your comment on how "not all the cars are affected"? its certainly an extremely large percentage of cars - and any that havent had a problem simply dont seem to do the mileage to allow for it to happen.
Im still waiting for someone to advance on 19,000 miles *WITHOUT* any engine work - yet not all the cars are effected?? The Tuscan has been available for three years and no one has yet come forward and admitted they have beaten 19k??? Thats simply unacceptable for an engine.
I can't understand why so many people are so happy to cover it up? Why close that thread because its enevitable that someone was about to state the obvious??? I cant believe this nonsense is still going on and its *still* being heavily moderated to stop people asking about longivity.
Yet silly posts about how peoples nearly brand new Tuscans can manage pathetic mileages without problems are still on here?? Whats more damaging then - someone asking for the MAXIMUM they can expect an engine to last? - Or someone saying in suprise that thier brand new car got through 6k without a problem????
These are fantastic cars being ruined by unreliability and owners who are unwilling to admit to any problems at all. It really doesnt help matters that whenever anyone gets close to talking about it the moderators come into force and close everything straight away.
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Sorry, had to get it off my chest. No doubt this will get binned, but it had to be said.
9000 miles with unusual amount of oil lost, about 1-2 litres every 1000 miles. Turns out it had "ovalled a bore". The car was just out of warranty although issues occured before the 24 months was up. Dealer suggested the warranty guys very rarely agree that the damage is anything but wear and tear. The dealer was correct. I was told the engine needed a total rebuild, effectively a new engine. This should be £6k but a deal was struck and it cost me about 3k inc VAT and dealer labour. Not entirely happy but hey, it was out of warranty and on balance I can't really complain.
It's not had it's post run in service yet, I would be interested how much I should expect to pay for this if anyone knows.
It's not had it's post run in service yet, I would be interested how much I should expect to pay for this if anyone knows.
Calm down BCA!
I believe the other thread was closed because this topic has been done SOOOOO many times before - there is no "cover up", in fact the opposite of what you suggest. Just search the threads - you contributed to three of them.
I'm afraid you won't get good stats by polling opinion here - why should people tell you how many miles they've done ? I know a quite a few people that only read and never post. But then why do you have a go at people that do respond honestly ? I think you are putting meaning into peoples' posts when you use the words "surprised". Maybe a few more people are put off posting because of the type of comments you for example are making here.
I have found the most accurate way to glean information is to ignore hearsay and talk to owners directly rather than rely on public internet forums.
I believe the other thread was closed because this topic has been done SOOOOO many times before - there is no "cover up", in fact the opposite of what you suggest. Just search the threads - you contributed to three of them.
I'm afraid you won't get good stats by polling opinion here - why should people tell you how many miles they've done ? I know a quite a few people that only read and never post. But then why do you have a go at people that do respond honestly ? I think you are putting meaning into peoples' posts when you use the words "surprised". Maybe a few more people are put off posting because of the type of comments you for example are making here.
I have found the most accurate way to glean information is to ignore hearsay and talk to owners directly rather than rely on public internet forums.
andyvdg said:
Calm down BCA!
I have found the most accurate way to glean information is to ignore hearsay and talk to owners directly rather than rely on public internet forums.
Agreed! Why oh why do people who do not own a Tuscan think they are the authority on our cars (talk to us you will be surprised how good this car is), why should Tuscan owners have to keep putting up with this rubbish.
Ben,
The other thread was generating abuse reports from other members.
The information about the reliability of the Speed Six engine is all over the archives of this website and does not need discussing again. That is what the search mechanism is for.
There was only one way it was heading and that was into a slagging match that we have seen oh so many times before so I thought it best in light of the abuse reports to put a stop to it before anything beyond the bounds of reasonability was said.
I hope you now understand.
The other thread was generating abuse reports from other members.
The information about the reliability of the Speed Six engine is all over the archives of this website and does not need discussing again. That is what the search mechanism is for.
There was only one way it was heading and that was into a slagging match that we have seen oh so many times before so I thought it best in light of the abuse reports to put a stop to it before anything beyond the bounds of reasonability was said.
I hope you now understand.
I'd just like to take this thread in a more lateral direction. Warranties in general, and manufacturer product liability/responsibilty... Equally applying to Nobles/Lotus/Porsche/Ferrari, etc. high performance cars with I gues you could say more highly strung mechanical than a mondeo....
I would be very annoyed at having to pay for an engine rebuild on what is a very new car with low mileage in/out of warranty on any MAKE of car, nor would expect to have to.
I thought there were some consumer laws that had any product to be fit for purpose, which included whole of life expectations of the product.
I would have thought 100,000 miles or 5 years would be fair for ANY modern car (possibly on the low side). So any MAKE of car having engine rebuilds at 3 - 4 years with less than 30k on the clock, would be seen as not fit for purpose... Just tkek a look on the non-tvr threads for simlar examples.
Does anyone have any deeper consumer knowledge on this.
As 'wear and tear' does not cut it for me in circumstances like these (of course service schedules. maintenance must be srupilously maintained, overreving etc taken into account).
I don't think I would stump up any money without serious argument/protest and camping out in the Dealers show room (NOT their fault, but they are the manufacturer's representative)
On the whole, my expereience with TVR is they are BETTER than average on the goodwill side of things, (though communication can be a bit sluggish)
Before I get a tuscan (I WILL at some point) I would just like something a little more substantial in consumer law to stand on.. I CANNOT risk expensive rebuilds.
For me, it would be a second car (6k a year tops) and if i had at the end of year 3 at 18 kmiles out of warranty I would like to know what the LEGAL position would be... I'm also reasonably sure in these circumstances that TVR wouod look after me... I'm also reasonably confident that the S6 problems are now a generally a thing of the past... But as I would be on a tight budget (I tend to buy new and keep 5-6 years) I would like to be more than reasonably sure.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 9th January 09:15
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 9th January 09:21
I would be very annoyed at having to pay for an engine rebuild on what is a very new car with low mileage in/out of warranty on any MAKE of car, nor would expect to have to.
I thought there were some consumer laws that had any product to be fit for purpose, which included whole of life expectations of the product.
I would have thought 100,000 miles or 5 years would be fair for ANY modern car (possibly on the low side). So any MAKE of car having engine rebuilds at 3 - 4 years with less than 30k on the clock, would be seen as not fit for purpose... Just tkek a look on the non-tvr threads for simlar examples.
Does anyone have any deeper consumer knowledge on this.
As 'wear and tear' does not cut it for me in circumstances like these (of course service schedules. maintenance must be srupilously maintained, overreving etc taken into account).
I don't think I would stump up any money without serious argument/protest and camping out in the Dealers show room (NOT their fault, but they are the manufacturer's representative)
On the whole, my expereience with TVR is they are BETTER than average on the goodwill side of things, (though communication can be a bit sluggish)
Before I get a tuscan (I WILL at some point) I would just like something a little more substantial in consumer law to stand on.. I CANNOT risk expensive rebuilds.
For me, it would be a second car (6k a year tops) and if i had at the end of year 3 at 18 kmiles out of warranty I would like to know what the LEGAL position would be... I'm also reasonably sure in these circumstances that TVR wouod look after me... I'm also reasonably confident that the S6 problems are now a generally a thing of the past... But as I would be on a tight budget (I tend to buy new and keep 5-6 years) I would like to be more than reasonably sure.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 9th January 09:15
>> Edited by bjwoods on Friday 9th January 09:21
BCA said:
Yet silly posts about how peoples nearly brand new Tuscans can manage pathetic mileages without problems are still on here?? Whats more damaging then - someone asking for the MAXIMUM they can expect an engine to last? - Or someone saying in suprise that thier brand new car got through 6k without a problem????
These are fantastic cars being ruined by unreliability and owners who are unwilling to admit to any problems at all.
I'm guessing that I'm one of the people who is putting up "silly" posts about "pathetic" milages in my new Tuscan, and being surprised that it got to 6000 miles without any problems.
Sorry - but I have to disagree.
My car has now done nearly 8000 miles, which is hardly pathetic for a car that is only 8 months old, and I have had no real problems with it. I don't deny that other people have had problems, however in my experience, my car has been fine.
Sorry if this disappoints you, but that's fact, and I am not hiding anything. If I should experience problems with it in the future, then I shall not hide this either - however the fact is that so far I have had no problems to report!
This doesn't surprise me, and the post I put up when I got to 6000 miles was tongue in cheek as there had been several posts at the time debating the unreliability of the SP6 engine at the time, that I felt it would be good to redress the balance.
I feel it does more to harm the car if people who haven't suffered any problems sit back and watch everyone else (many who haven't actually owned a Tuscan) slag the cars off!
Instead of saying "You're all stupid - these cars are unreliable and anyone who says different is silly and ruining the cars for everyone else", why not listen to what people are saying and accept that maybe TVR have now sorted things out.
They might not have, however only time will tell. In another 6 months or so, many of the early 03 cars who are currently on "pathetic" mileages will be hitting 14k+ miles and only then will we be able to say if the engines are sorted.
There are tons of posts about this in the archives, and I don't see the point of dragging this subject up every couple of weeks when there is nothing new to say.
>> Edited by ehasler on Friday 9th January 10:33
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