TED a new forum is needed!
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Absolutely sick to death of the continual whinges re the speed 6. I thought this forum was for people with a common interest to discuss their Tuscan experience in a mature way and get advice from others with problems. Up until recently this was the case. Now all it seems is that all most people want to do is slag off TVR and the Tuscan. Fine just go elsewhere and do it, but for Gods sake leave the people who are content with their car whatever the prob to discuss without all this in a lot of cases heresay rhetoric.
If you have a grievance take it up with TVR not here. You will only ever get opinions based on individuals experience for or against.
Can we please get this forum back to the useful outlet it used to be !
If you have a grievance take it up with TVR not here. You will only ever get opinions based on individuals experience for or against.
Can we please get this forum back to the useful outlet it used to be !
Sorry, but I still think it is exceedingly useful. There is nothing to stop you starting or replying to other more interesting/useful threads (unlike this one!). Without doubt however, the Speed 6 reliability issue is of crucial importance to both present and potential owners (myself). Of course there are many other aspects of the car to discuss, and I look forward to reading them as I have done for 2 years.
AllTorque said:
Sorry, but I still think it is exceedingly useful. There is nothing to stop you starting or replying to other more interesting/useful threads (unlike this one!). Without doubt however, the Speed 6 reliability issue is of crucial importance to both present and potential owners (myself). Of course there are many other aspects of the car to discuss, and I look forward to reading them as I have done for 2 years.
WRONG. Its been done to death which if you have been reading for 2 years you should appreciate. What conclusions have you drawn? On second thoughts dont answer as this is exactly the sort of thing I am trying to encourage Tuscan owners to avoid.
The reliablity issue is obviously important, but Lady Topaz is right - there is too much whinging and slagging off of TVR and the Tuscan here, much of it from people who don't actually own a Tuscan!
Discussion based on facts is fine, but much of what is written here is not going to help anyone.
Discussion based on facts is fine, but much of what is written here is not going to help anyone.
Totally agree with you Di and i posted something simular on ToG a while ago however you will not get Ted to agree with you? The value of your and everyone else`s Tuscan is going down the pan at the moment and will continue to the trend is reversed for what it`s worth i believe 30% of speed 6 engines have had a "major"problem not good but not "every other one" like this forum implies regards Tony and 14500 mile non rebuild T88CAN
Agree with Di and Ed, this is really getting ridiculous. This has been done to death why don't people consider the majority of Tuscan owners who have had no problems or who at least are happy with Tuscan ownership...don't you think its only fair that we have to respond to these continuous threads which are more about slagging off TVR. Majority of these comments are incorrect and do not account for most of the Tuscan owner community.
Remember its our re-sale value we are concerned about...so how about thinking about this for a change...in any case I think some of the comments are more about winding people up then helpful...some PH names seem rather suspicious.....
I for one will not continue to read PH if this continues...
Alan.
Remember its our re-sale value we are concerned about...so how about thinking about this for a change...in any case I think some of the comments are more about winding people up then helpful...some PH names seem rather suspicious.....
I for one will not continue to read PH if this continues...
Alan.
Well said Lady Topaz, I bought the Tuscan despite reading all the doom and gloom threads albeit with a bit of apprehension, the feelgood factor is way ahead of what I had with the Griff 500 and I did not think that could be surpassed. I'm not a wealthy person by any means but £ for £ nothing even comes close in my mind to what's stored in my garage.
Regards James.
Regards James.
AllTorque said:
I would guess that non-owners would like it discussed, owners with issues would like it discussed but owners with no problems don't want it discussed. We win 2 to 1! I guess it's up to Ted....
Constructive discussion is fine but not when you go over the same issues time and time again. As I said you never end up with a definative answer just someones opinion which will be derided by someone elses and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon with their twopennyworth. You never seem to end up with any facts.!
Whats the one thing that TVRs are associated with? Like it or not, its going to be unreliability.
Judging by what I've seen on these threads - I wouldn't buy a Tuscan or any other TVR engined car even if I had the money.
If you think about, TVR are quite clever. They don't pay for their development technology...That's funded by the unknowing customer who's just forked out a bundle getting their engine rebuilt after 5,000 miles of ownership, or who has suffered some other embarassing failure that other car makers probably joke about during their tea breaks.
I say keep the forum as it is. Without it, none of us owners would learn anything about the cars we love to hate, and love again when our cars are having a good day.
Judging by what I've seen on these threads - I wouldn't buy a Tuscan or any other TVR engined car even if I had the money.
If you think about, TVR are quite clever. They don't pay for their development technology...That's funded by the unknowing customer who's just forked out a bundle getting their engine rebuilt after 5,000 miles of ownership, or who has suffered some other embarassing failure that other car makers probably joke about during their tea breaks.
I say keep the forum as it is. Without it, none of us owners would learn anything about the cars we love to hate, and love again when our cars are having a good day.
HeyAndy said:
Whats the one thing that TVRs are associated with? Like it or not, its going to be unreliability.
Judging by what I've seen on these threads - I wouldn't buy a Tuscan or any other TVR engined car even if I had the money.
If you think about, TVR are quite clever. They don't pay for their development technology...That's funded by the unknowing customer who's just forked out a bundle getting their engine rebuilt after 5,000 miles of ownership, or who has suffered some other embarassing failure that other car makers probably joke about during their tea breaks.
I say keep the forum as it is. Without it, none of us owners would learn anything about the cars we love to hate, and love again when our cars are having a good day.
You are exactly the sort of person I am describing. You will not get an unbiased opinion here. There are those of us that love the Tuscan warts and all and those who cant cope with the probs, so you are waisting your time. There should be somewhere else that deals with FACTS not gossip which would be of benefit to current and would be owners alike. I still feel this forum should be more for existing Tuscan owners to chew the fat and help each other out when called upon. It used to be this way and IMHO was better for it.
about bloody time. 
Lady Topaz - I agree there is far too much bi*ching going on about the S6 and the factory's actions - it's TEDIOUS!
As a future owner I pay a great deal of attention to this forum. I'm buying one regardless of the number of 'rebuild' posts (as soon as I have the means!). The forum is very useful for potential owners to get an idea of what the ownership experience is like, and I've only been encouraged by what I've read.
I'm sure owners will continue to post when they have problems, and it's useful to see what kinds of issues can arise.
Those people who get bitter and twisted about breakdowns need to get a grip, sort the problem in a constructive manner and stop eroding TVR's reputation.
As a future owner I pay a great deal of attention to this forum. I'm buying one regardless of the number of 'rebuild' posts (as soon as I have the means!). The forum is very useful for potential owners to get an idea of what the ownership experience is like, and I've only been encouraged by what I've read.
I'm sure owners will continue to post when they have problems, and it's useful to see what kinds of issues can arise.
Those people who get bitter and twisted about breakdowns need to get a grip, sort the problem in a constructive manner and stop eroding TVR's reputation.
Good idea another forum of people bitching about people bitching about speed 6 reliability...hmmm
suggested names for the proposed forum....
Tuscan 'No Engine Rebuild yet' forum
Tuscan 'still on original finger followers' forum
Tuscan 'mines not blown up yet' forum
Tuscan '10k miles and still on original engine' Forum
Bennno
After calming down a bit after my previous rants I would just like to say that around 80% of my niggles have been sorted on here by people I have never met but consider friends because they have experienced similar probs. Even if they dont know the answer there is always support. This is why I post on this forum because you know you are not alone. To continually see people knocking the car really drives me mad. I cant think of anywhere where you would get this kind of unconditional support.
Very funny Benno....
While I detest any form of censorship, I do think this is getting a bit boring....
However, I do have to ask the question...
How do we encourage them to build better quality cars if we all pretend they are perfect. There is room for improvement but I still feel this should be aimed at TVR's management and not aimed at the workforce...
While I detest any form of censorship, I do think this is getting a bit boring....
However, I do have to ask the question...
How do we encourage them to build better quality cars if we all pretend they are perfect. There is room for improvement but I still feel this should be aimed at TVR's management and not aimed at the workforce...
bennno said:
Good idea another forum of people bitching about people bitching about speed 6 reliability...hmmm
suggested names for the proposed forum....
Tuscan 'No Engine Rebuild yet' forum
Tuscan 'still on original finger followers' forum
Tuscan 'mines not blown up yet' forum
Tuscan '10k miles and still on original engine' Forum
Bennno
If it got you and nothing constructive to contribute away from this forum, who cares what its called!
flasher said:
Very funny Benno....
While I detest any form of censorship, I do think this is getting a bit boring....
However, I do have to ask the question...
How do we encourage them to build better quality cars if we all pretend they are perfect. There is room for improvement but I still feel this should be aimed at TVR's management and not aimed at the workforce...
I don't think anyone is suggesting that all problems are swept under the carpet, as you are right in that there is still obviously room for improvement.
The thing that annoys me though are the comments from people like
"You know they are all just time bombs waiting to go off. Everyone on here has either an engine rebuild, finger followers, etc. etc."
which are totally wrong. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but it gets pretty boring when yet another person who doesn't even own a Tuscan or S6 engined car tells us how crap our cars are.
Hearing you loud and clear.
The problem stems from the fact that there are no definitive answers to the extent of the problem. Following on from the other thread about surveys etc, I'll look into getting some facts from owners so we can dispense with the theories and hearsay.
Leave it with me.
The problem stems from the fact that there are no definitive answers to the extent of the problem. Following on from the other thread about surveys etc, I'll look into getting some facts from owners so we can dispense with the theories and hearsay.
Leave it with me.
PetrolTed said:
Hearing you loud and clear.
The problem stems from the fact that there are no definitive answers to the extent of the problem. Following on from the other thread about surveys etc, I'll look into getting some facts from owners so we can dispense with the theories and hearsay.
Leave it with me.
Thats all I/we ask, thanks Ted
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