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I realllllly didn't want to have to post this, but as much as I geared myself up to expect it, I did kinda hope that it wouldn't happen to me.... but it has...
Poor little beasty has had a tiff with it's camshaft and as such is rattling away like good-'un. MV have taken the car in and had a look, and are sending the engine off to Blackpool for a rebuild. So for a few weeks UR 02 SLO is going to be IM 02 SLO...
Still hasn't put me off the car, just sad to see that there's still a few issues with the engines. Or maybe mine's just a bit of bad luck and a one off, who knows...?
Anyhow, the car would have been off the road now anyway, for winter, and I had a load of bits of pieces for the dealer to look at under warranty so it would have gone in anyway.
Ho hum...
-andy-
Poor little beasty has had a tiff with it's camshaft and as such is rattling away like good-'un. MV have taken the car in and had a look, and are sending the engine off to Blackpool for a rebuild. So for a few weeks UR 02 SLO is going to be IM 02 SLO...
Still hasn't put me off the car, just sad to see that there's still a few issues with the engines. Or maybe mine's just a bit of bad luck and a one off, who knows...?
Anyhow, the car would have been off the road now anyway, for winter, and I had a load of bits of pieces for the dealer to look at under warranty so it would have gone in anyway.
Ho hum...
-andy-
Andy,
Definitely a big shame. Have to say when you made it past 4K I thought you were one of the lucky ones - seems not.
The usual problem was the finger followers, not the cam shaft, if I remember correctly. Better informed people may wish to correct me. Anyway at least it can be fixed. I presume this is a warranty job, hope it doesn't take too long.
Cheers,
Steve & Karen
Definitely a big shame. Have to say when you made it past 4K I thought you were one of the lucky ones - seems not.
The usual problem was the finger followers, not the cam shaft, if I remember correctly. Better informed people may wish to correct me. Anyway at least it can be fixed. I presume this is a warranty job, hope it doesn't take too long. Cheers,
Steve & Karen
Sorry to here the bad news, but just shows that your dealer never did the valve clearances!!. like so many dealers out their ,they are in the wrong not TVR engines.
I drive my car harder than just about most,and my little baby has never missed a beat, and as i keep telling you all,these engines are nearly bomb proof if set up buy a good dealer.
PS my dealer has never sent a speed 6 engine back that they have looked after. Need i say more!.
I drive my car harder than just about most,and my little baby has never missed a beat, and as i keep telling you all,these engines are nearly bomb proof if set up buy a good dealer.
PS my dealer has never sent a speed 6 engine back that they have looked after. Need i say more!.
Bad luck Andy,
How long do they reakon its going to be in Blackpool for?
YAHOO - Are you sure about this being the dealers fault when a Speed Six engine gives up!! ??
Surely to become a TVR dealer the mechanics would have to be trained on how to set the cars up - presumably by the people that built them?
I'm sure if it were that simple there wouldn't be so many engines blowing up !
Reports coming back from Backpool have indicated faulty / substandard parts are to blame.... and the fact they never bothered testing the engines for any length of time.
NB - bet your dealers lying !
How long do they reakon its going to be in Blackpool for?
YAHOO - Are you sure about this being the dealers fault when a Speed Six engine gives up!! ??
Surely to become a TVR dealer the mechanics would have to be trained on how to set the cars up - presumably by the people that built them?
I'm sure if it were that simple there wouldn't be so many engines blowing up !
Reports coming back from Backpool have indicated faulty / substandard parts are to blame.... and the fact they never bothered testing the engines for any length of time.
NB - bet your dealers lying !
one of the dealers i was speaking to was tying to make out it was somthing to do with bliping the throttle when the car is started
Apparently
there is an ignition cut out on the engine untill the car is up to full pressure which stops the car being revved much above tick over. I was told this should take about 30 seconds and then the car will rev normally. If teh car is reved immediatly then it will miss fire and wash the bores with the unburnt fuel. and contaminating the oil with fuel. eventually leading to cam/ bearing damage through lack of lubrication .
he qualified this by saying they had had a few owners saying the car wasnt using oil but gining oil and on inspection the oil smeltt strongly of fuel and was heavily contaminated....
does that ring true or is it horlics..... he was trying to sell me a T350t at the time
G
Apparently
there is an ignition cut out on the engine untill the car is up to full pressure which stops the car being revved much above tick over. I was told this should take about 30 seconds and then the car will rev normally. If teh car is reved immediatly then it will miss fire and wash the bores with the unburnt fuel. and contaminating the oil with fuel. eventually leading to cam/ bearing damage through lack of lubrication .
he qualified this by saying they had had a few owners saying the car wasnt using oil but gining oil and on inspection the oil smeltt strongly of fuel and was heavily contaminated....
does that ring true or is it horlics..... he was trying to sell me a T350t at the time
G
Andy
Sorry to hear that your baby is off the road - lets hope she comes back as good as new if not better - presume Moley`s are dealing with it for you??
By the way how many miles had you done??
All the best - keep us informed
Neal
Y15 TVR
>> Edited by lovemytvr on Sunday 3rd November 22:18
Sorry to hear that your baby is off the road - lets hope she comes back as good as new if not better - presume Moley`s are dealing with it for you??
By the way how many miles had you done??
All the best - keep us informed
Neal
Y15 TVR
>> Edited by lovemytvr on Sunday 3rd November 22:18
Car is on 11,600...
Interesting point about setting of the valve clearances..
Wonder if it's possible to find out from the factory whether it was a camshaft hardening failure (?) or bad setup that caused it.... Would they admit to either?
Donut's and burnouts - be pretty sad if the camshafts gave up because of that! Just the same as driving down the road... just you're not going anywhere..
Simon at MV said probably around 4-5 weeks. Not been confirmed yet. Going to ring Redhill tomorrow to get a good idea.
-andy-
>> Edited by sixspeed on Monday 4th November 01:41
Interesting point about setting of the valve clearances..
Wonder if it's possible to find out from the factory whether it was a camshaft hardening failure (?) or bad setup that caused it.... Would they admit to either?
Donut's and burnouts - be pretty sad if the camshafts gave up because of that! Just the same as driving down the road... just you're not going anywhere..
Simon at MV said probably around 4-5 weeks. Not been confirmed yet. Going to ring Redhill tomorrow to get a good idea.
-andy-
>> Edited by sixspeed on Monday 4th November 01:41
Sorry,
These engines doesn't have Hydravlic valves ???
I think they do because most companies do not use "normal" valves anymore that the mechanic adjust them every time.
What i mean is that if the Speed6 engine have Hydravlic valves (wich i assume that it does...because most companies stop making motors without hydravlic valves) then the engine would not suffered from Valve Clearance...
ByronTVR
>> Edited by ByronTVR on Monday 4th November 01:46
These engines doesn't have Hydravlic valves ???
I think they do because most companies do not use "normal" valves anymore that the mechanic adjust them every time.
What i mean is that if the Speed6 engine have Hydravlic valves (wich i assume that it does...because most companies stop making motors without hydravlic valves) then the engine would not suffered from Valve Clearance...
ByronTVR
>> Edited by ByronTVR on Monday 4th November 01:46
YAHOO said: Sorry to here the bad news, but just shows that your dealer never did the valve clearances!!. like so many dealers out their ,they are in the wrong not TVR engines.
I drive my car harder than just about most,and my little baby has never missed a beat, and as i keep telling you all,these engines are nearly bomb proof if set up buy a good dealer.
PS my dealer has never sent a speed 6 engine back that they have looked after. Need i say more!.
I purchased a brand new Tuscan in June last year within a fortnight the cams were knocking excessively.This was put down to finger followers.The engine was sent back to TVR who had it for a fortnight.The engine was returned ,refitted and lasted about three weeks!It was returned again with the same problem to the factory.By the time I sold the car 3 months latter it had approx 1400 mile on the clock had received its pre delivery inspection, first service and twice back to the factory.The problem I believe was down to the material which the finger followers were made out of not the dealers who I bought it off! By the way I now drive a Chimaera which I find far less hassle!
When does the rev limiter goes in on a Speed6?
I have a opel calibra and the rev limiter is near 7000 rpm and it has hydravlic valves...
A friend of mine wich has a Full modified engine on a VW Golf Mk2 (and when i say modified i mean it...it showed on the dyno , with 2.3 bar and 2.5 overboost 513 bhp On the wheels.This golf rev up to 8000+ rpm's and have hydravlic valves. I know , that the comparisson is not exaclty the same because this engine is full modified, but if you think of some Peugeots 106 , Saxos, and stuff wich can rev up to 8100 rpm's on second stage (2nd stage=chip , camshafts , airfilter , exhaust, cylinderhead polished, higher compretion ratio, etc etc...) and they still have hydravlic valves.
Also , another example (one friend of minehas)a golf Mk1 with 1.8 lt engine, completely normal engine. revs up to 7000 rpm's with the same valves.
Anyhow , from the point that the Tuscan has not hydravlic valves it doesn't make a big difference.
The 4 litre engine with 6 cylinders,...is a 4 litre and sure Rocks!
ByronTVR
>> Edited by ByronTVR on Monday 4th November 17:50
I have a opel calibra and the rev limiter is near 7000 rpm and it has hydravlic valves...
A friend of mine wich has a Full modified engine on a VW Golf Mk2 (and when i say modified i mean it...it showed on the dyno , with 2.3 bar and 2.5 overboost 513 bhp On the wheels.This golf rev up to 8000+ rpm's and have hydravlic valves. I know , that the comparisson is not exaclty the same because this engine is full modified, but if you think of some Peugeots 106 , Saxos, and stuff wich can rev up to 8100 rpm's on second stage (2nd stage=chip , camshafts , airfilter , exhaust, cylinderhead polished, higher compretion ratio, etc etc...) and they still have hydravlic valves.
Also , another example (one friend of minehas)a golf Mk1 with 1.8 lt engine, completely normal engine. revs up to 7000 rpm's with the same valves.
Anyhow , from the point that the Tuscan has not hydravlic valves it doesn't make a big difference.
The 4 litre engine with 6 cylinders,...is a 4 litre and sure Rocks!
ByronTVR
>> Edited by ByronTVR on Monday 4th November 17:50
Engines with hydraulic valves can be pushed to higher revs - with increased complexity and cost. It's undoubtedly a tradeoff between upfront development / manufacturing cost and slightly increased servicing costs. Note that it should not be necessary to have the clearances adjusted at every service, they should just require checking at certain service intervals.
Motorbikes rarely have anything other than simple, lightweight bucket/shim systems and I know my Triumph 900cc hasn't needed the clearances adjusted in nearly 30k miles.
Motorbikes rarely have anything other than simple, lightweight bucket/shim systems and I know my Triumph 900cc hasn't needed the clearances adjusted in nearly 30k miles.
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