Question about terminology...
Discussion
The following is my understanding of the Tuscan line, can anyone correct any of this? Thanks.
There is the Tuscan Speed Six which has the 3.6L engine (the same engine found in the Tamora) which is rated by the factory at 350bhp.
There is the Tuscan S which has the 4.0L engine (the same engine found in the Cerbera Speed Six) which is rated by the factory at 390bhp.
Now, what puzzles me is that I sometimes see cars which are referred to just as "Tuscans" (No "S") but have 4.0L engines. Does this mean there's a difference between the plain 4.0L model and the "S" model or is it just understood that the car with the 4.0L engine is an "S"?
Also, I hear talk that the original incarnation of the 4.0L engine was less powerful and that only newer Tuscan S's get the uprated engine. If this is true, when was the switch made and can the upgrade(s) be retrofit?
Lastly, the Tuscan R claims 450bhp from its 4.0L engine. Can any of that power boost be had by owners of current models and if so, at what price?
Thanks,
J
There is the Tuscan Speed Six which has the 3.6L engine (the same engine found in the Tamora) which is rated by the factory at 350bhp.
There is the Tuscan S which has the 4.0L engine (the same engine found in the Cerbera Speed Six) which is rated by the factory at 390bhp.
Now, what puzzles me is that I sometimes see cars which are referred to just as "Tuscans" (No "S") but have 4.0L engines. Does this mean there's a difference between the plain 4.0L model and the "S" model or is it just understood that the car with the 4.0L engine is an "S"?
Also, I hear talk that the original incarnation of the 4.0L engine was less powerful and that only newer Tuscan S's get the uprated engine. If this is true, when was the switch made and can the upgrade(s) be retrofit?
Lastly, the Tuscan R claims 450bhp from its 4.0L engine. Can any of that power boost be had by owners of current models and if so, at what price?
Thanks,
J
As far as I am aware it goes;
Original Tuscan - 4.0L 360BHP (tweaked Cerbie Speed Six engine 4.0L 350BHP) - Nolonger available
Tuscan with Red Rose option - 4.0L 380BHP (upgraded cam plus other mods) - Nolonger available
Current Tuscan - 3.6L 350BHP (same engine as Tamora)
Tuscan S - 4.0L 390BHP (basically tweaked RR engine)
Tuscan R - 4.2L? 440BHP? (bigger capacity S engine plus mods)
There are rumours that the RR became the S due to a problem with type approval. Then it became a bit of a problem having an S with only 30BHP more than the standard Tuscan but costing 10K more, so the engine was reduced to 3.6. Don't know if this is right but makes a bit of sense.
Original Tuscan - 4.0L 360BHP (tweaked Cerbie Speed Six engine 4.0L 350BHP) - Nolonger available
Tuscan with Red Rose option - 4.0L 380BHP (upgraded cam plus other mods) - Nolonger available
Current Tuscan - 3.6L 350BHP (same engine as Tamora)
Tuscan S - 4.0L 390BHP (basically tweaked RR engine)
Tuscan R - 4.2L? 440BHP? (bigger capacity S engine plus mods)
There are rumours that the RR became the S due to a problem with type approval. Then it became a bit of a problem having an S with only 30BHP more than the standard Tuscan but costing 10K more, so the engine was reduced to 3.6. Don't know if this is right but makes a bit of sense.
I think this is nearly right. Some comments :
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As far as I am aware it goes;
Original Tuscan - 4.0L 360BHP (tweaked Cerbie Speed Six engine 4.0L 350BHP) - Nolonger available
I think this is still available
Tuscan with Red Rose option - 4.0L 380BHP (upgraded cam plus other mods) - Nolonger available
Comes with adjustable suspension + bigger brakes
Current Tuscan - 3.6L 350BHP (same engine as Tamora)
Has anyone actually bought this version ? Is it really available ?
Tuscan S - 4.0L 390BHP (basically tweaked RR engine)
There is some suspicion that the "standard 4.0" suspension and maybe brakes were changed around this time as well to be similiar to the S.
Tuscan R - 4.2L? 440BHP? (bigger capacity S engine plus mods)
There are rumours that the RR became the S due to a problem with type approval. Then it became a bit of a problem having an S with only 30BHP more than the standard Tuscan but costing 10K more, so the engine was reduced to 3.6. Don't know if this is right but makes a bit of sense.
Just to throw my tuppence in - just bought my new Tuscan (2 weeks old ) and it has the 4.0L engine rather than the 3.6, although when ordered back in May, I was told that there were very few of these left and that most of the new ones will be 3.6's.
Being a cynical person, I would think a certain amount of this is spin, as your average salesman would prefer to say "Wow, you are getting a 4.0L 360bhp for the same price as a 3.6L 350bhp", but they surely have to start selling the cars as advertised? Also, believe they are no longer producing the 4.0L engine so once they run out of them they are gone...
Being a cynical person, I would think a certain amount of this is spin, as your average salesman would prefer to say "Wow, you are getting a 4.0L 360bhp for the same price as a 3.6L 350bhp", but they surely have to start selling the cars as advertised? Also, believe they are no longer producing the 4.0L engine so once they run out of them they are gone...
TVR get their vehicles through type approval by using the limited production run rules, this is less than 500 (I think, not sure if that is total or more likely per year)
The "new models" come seem to be very similar to the "old" models
Could this just be a way of producing more cars than they should while still using the limted production rules and so save loads of money in crash testing etc???
Synical? Moi?
In reality I think it is more likely to distinguish the updates applied as models go through their life, but the story above sounds better in the bar
Graham
The "new models" come seem to be very similar to the "old" models
Could this just be a way of producing more cars than they should while still using the limted production rules and so save loads of money in crash testing etc???
Synical? Moi?
In reality I think it is more likely to distinguish the updates applied as models go through their life, but the story above sounds better in the bar
Graham
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Just to throw my tuppence in - just bought my new Tuscan (2 weeks old ) and it has the 4.0L engine rather than the 3.6, although when ordered back in May, I was told that there were very few of these left and that most of the new ones will be 3.6's.
Being a cynical person, I would think a certain amount of this is spin, as your average salesman would prefer to say "Wow, you are getting a 4.0L 360bhp for the same price as a 3.6L 350bhp", but they surely have to start selling the cars as advertised? Also, believe they are no longer producing the 4.0L engine so once they run out of them they are gone...
I also had this when ordered (specifically) a 3.6 earlier this year. When I received the reg document it said that it was 4.0. I questionned the dealer who then spoke to s/o at TVR. I was then told that all the docs were coming back as 4.0 although it is 3.6, honest sir (
) but that they were sorting this out and when sorted they'd arrange for a new doc. I haven't heard anything since but to be honest, having now just passed the 2000 mile run-in barrier I'm beginning not to care.
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