What handles better overall? Tuscan or Tuscan S?
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As far as I am aware (jump in here anybody) there is no difference between the steering setups on the various Tuscans.
There are differences in the suspension designs on the two cars though. Plus, if popular rumour is to be believed, every Tuscan assembled is setup slightly differently anyway! This will obviously affect the handling feedback fed to the driver via the steering.
The steering rack in the Tuscans does respond very quickly to very small inputs compared to a lot of other cars.
At the end of the day you need to drive lots to get a feel for if the car is for you. Everybodys driving style is different as is every Tuscan!
There are differences in the suspension designs on the two cars though. Plus, if popular rumour is to be believed, every Tuscan assembled is setup slightly differently anyway! This will obviously affect the handling feedback fed to the driver via the steering.
The steering rack in the Tuscans does respond very quickly to very small inputs compared to a lot of other cars.
At the end of the day you need to drive lots to get a feel for if the car is for you. Everybodys driving style is different as is every Tuscan!
When I first got my Tuscan, the steering freaked me out for a while...but now I'm used to it, I wouldn't swap it for the world. Its fantastic, ultra responsive, great feedback.
Issues are tramlining, which is just something you have to get used to, and become aware of, and the ridiculous turning circle....we were out on the Surrey run last Sunday, going through a village and the TVRs in front decided to do a U turn at a mini roundabout. Only choice for me was to wheelspin around the roundabout ;-).
Love the car, love the performance.
Have test driven a RR Tuscan, didn't really notice any performance difference, not expert enough to notice handling differences.
Steve
Issues are tramlining, which is just something you have to get used to, and become aware of, and the ridiculous turning circle....we were out on the Surrey run last Sunday, going through a village and the TVRs in front decided to do a U turn at a mini roundabout. Only choice for me was to wheelspin around the roundabout ;-).
Love the car, love the performance.
Have test driven a RR Tuscan, didn't really notice any performance difference, not expert enough to notice handling differences.
Steve
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When I first got my Tuscan, the steering freaked me out for a while...but now I'm used to it, I wouldn't swap it for the world. Its fantastic, ultra responsive, great feedback.
Issues are tramlining, which is just something you have to get used to, and become aware of, and the ridiculous turning circle....we were out on the Surrey run last Sunday, going through a village and the TVRs in front decided to do a U turn at a mini roundabout. Only choice for me was to wheelspin around the roundabout ;-).
Love the car, love the performance.
Have test driven a RR Tuscan, didn't really notice any performance difference, not expert enough to notice handling differences.
Steve
There is no reason you should lear to live with tramlining, take the car to a decent 4 wheel allignment centre and make sure your suspension settings are correct (call TVR for the best settings for the suspension setup you have) and you should find tram lining gone or at least greatly reduced to the point of being hardly noticable
As for which handles better, it depends what you want out of the car - if you want something that will soak up every bump and never get unsettled (laws of physics allowing and all that) then go for a Merc or BMW because that is not what a TVR is all about. If you mean which suspension settup is best for track use then a Tuscan S or Tuscan Red Rose would probably do the job best, if you are after a bit more comfort then a standard Tuscan on 16" wheels (higher tyre profile to soak up some of the ruts and bumps) would probably suit you better.
Best advice is to drive a few and get over the initial "wow" factor so you can compare the standard, standard with 18" wheels, Red Rose and S specs and decide which suits you best and which you can afford!
Graham
Since November 2001 onwards (easily noted by drilled discs as standard from the factory) on all the Tuscans, whether Red Rose or standard they have got the same uprated suspension.
It has made the whole ride much better than the intial ten months of production. If you have driven one of the early ones then you must try out the later types.
As 95% of all new orders on the Tuscan have 18 inch Spider wheels on them it is very hard to find one to try with the early 16 inch ones on them. Since late last year all new Tuscans and Tuscan S models now come with the Toyo tyres instead of the Bridgestone S02s, which have always tramlined to some extent.
All new Tamora is the best ride in the range, but followed very closly by the Tuscan.
It has made the whole ride much better than the intial ten months of production. If you have driven one of the early ones then you must try out the later types.
As 95% of all new orders on the Tuscan have 18 inch Spider wheels on them it is very hard to find one to try with the early 16 inch ones on them. Since late last year all new Tuscans and Tuscan S models now come with the Toyo tyres instead of the Bridgestone S02s, which have always tramlined to some extent.
All new Tamora is the best ride in the range, but followed very closly by the Tuscan.
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When I first got my Tuscan, the steering freaked me out for a while...but now I'm used to it, I wouldn't swap it for the world. Its fantastic, ultra responsive, great feedback.
Issues are tramlining, which is just something you have to get used to, and become aware of, and the ridiculous turning circle....we were out on the Surrey run last Sunday, going through a village and the TVRs in front decided to do a U turn at a mini roundabout. Only choice for me was to wheelspin around the roundabout ;-).
Love the car, love the performance.
Have test driven a RR Tuscan, didn't really notice any performance difference, not expert enough to notice handling differences.
Steve
Ridiculous turning circle? You've obviously never driven a Delorean. ;->
BTW, what's "tramlining"? I'm not familiar with the term (maybe because I'm American).
But, I agree. The steering on a Tuscan is quite easy to get used to and once I did, it makes most cars seem zombie-like. Only two other cars I've ever driven even come close. The Lotus Elise and, to a lesser extent, my old Delorean.
>> Edited by JonGwynne on Thursday 29th August 14:46
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BTW, what's "tramlining"? I'm not familiar with the term (maybe because I'm American).
Tramlining is the tendency of the car to go straight ahed as if caught on rails - there used to be a lot of trams running around the UK at one time and the rails ran through the streets, so the term sprang up! Not sure what the American alternative is
Graham
My Tuscan 4.0 non S on 16" wheels handles very progressively (relatively speaking). Its an early model which I believe were set up for the smaller wheel. I hear tales of woe of early 18" cars being scary on the limit and sometimes nowhere near the limit but mine is OK. It can get a bit jumpy under heavy braking if you overcook it and need to turn in with a bit to much speed and the brakes still in PANIC it's close mode (30 degrees slip angle at the back wheels I'd estimate) otherwise it's a pussy. I've not even approached its grip limits on the public highway and it seems to handle commedable neutrally if you respect the throttle. The front end bite is absolutely awesome! My previous motor was an Impreza which although flattering had an annoying ability to make you think the tyres would fall off before it turned in. Even in the wet it has proved to be good on the original Bridgestones. I had a little momment hiiting standing water at 80 on a bend but the car just sorted itself out. Flick of wrists. Car straight. Why is my heart pumping? Nothing untoward happened.
Morale of tale?
Ultra low profiles fine for track but otherwise nice tall progression.
When I bought the car it had 16s but if it didn't I would have asked to do a swap with one of the dealers others.
What you lose in grip you gain in controlability. I can't and I suspect most owners can't realise the grip benifits of the lower profile on real roads.
Morale of tale?
Ultra low profiles fine for track but otherwise nice tall progression.
When I bought the car it had 16s but if it didn't I would have asked to do a swap with one of the dealers others.
What you lose in grip you gain in controlability. I can't and I suspect most owners can't realise the grip benifits of the lower profile on real roads.
Whilst I am thoroughly enjoying the challenge of wrestling my Tuscan around the many country B roads where I live in N.Yorks, I am sure the handling can be much improved. It is so poor that I reckon I could go faster point to point in many a slower car whilst still feeling in control.
I have a July 2000 car which has been fitted with the 18" wheels so am assuming the suspension is mismatched to the new wheels.
Can anybody recommend the best place (preferably in N.Yorks area) to get the car correctly set up???
I do not want to have to pay a main dealer and don't really trust them to do the job right as it came from a very well known main dealer who obviously did not bother.
Thanks.
I have a July 2000 car which has been fitted with the 18" wheels so am assuming the suspension is mismatched to the new wheels.
Can anybody recommend the best place (preferably in N.Yorks area) to get the car correctly set up???
I do not want to have to pay a main dealer and don't really trust them to do the job right as it came from a very well known main dealer who obviously did not bother.
Thanks.
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