2001 red rose! whats it worth ??

[yak293]

feel the need to return to the tvr fold after 3 years away.
been offered by a friend a 51 2001 red rose 6000 mile
all the bits ,requirred, fully serviced up,totally
sorted immaculate and genuine example,it is however, reflex orange (anyone got a link to a pic of this colour)
how resalable would this be ?
the car has been offered at the right price ??
what ever that is ??

any constructive assistance would be appreciated.

[J_S_G]

Colour sounds a bit iffy. But each to their own.

Has it had an engine rebuild yet?

[Cyberhuss]

its not a tuscan but this is Prime_Al's typhon in Reflex Orange..
(i think its reflex)






>> Edited by Cyberhuss on Tuesday 16th November 17:22

[yak293]

thanks for the posts.

no engine rebuild ! just had full service.owner very fastidious re warming it up fully prior to unleashing the horses.but will have 12 month warranty.

this colour with graphite 18 inch wheels and slightly tinted glass might look awsome!! i guess you either love it, or detest it. ill see at weekend ?!

[beano500]

Only covered 2000 miles a year?

I take it it's had a service each year even if it hasn't done the mileage? All the same 6k?

That's not necessarily a good thing!


It's not necessarily a bad thing either, but low mileage TVRs tend to have little quirks that need addressing - they're much happier when used regularly!

[J_S_G]

yak293 said:

no engine rebuild ! just had full service.owner very fastidious re warming it up fully prior to unleashing the horses.but will have 12 month warranty.

Check the warranty details... whether it'll cover for wear and tear (which a rebuild for valve guides will be classed as by a warranty company), and that it'll cover a good few thousand £ per claim (which a rebuild will cost, especially if TVR don't help out). Not sure what warranty co.s count finger follower rebuilds as.

Finally, be sure you're OK with losing the car for 2-3 months while/if it goes in for a rebuild.

[mongoose]

i think about £28-32k if condition is commensurate with mileage(what colour and condition is the interior like).personally i love the colour and think it suits the car well.i wouldnt worry either way if its had a rebuild or no, and you should judge the car as it looks,drives and sounds on the day you buy it.if its had a rebuild it may still end up having another one in the future,also it may never need one.the same could be said and is just as likely if its never had a rebuild imho.

[J_S_G]

mongoose said:

i wouldnt worry either way if its had a rebuild or no, and you should judge the car as it looks,drives and sounds on the day you buy it.if its had a rebuild it may still end up having another one in the future,also it may never need one.the same could be said and is just as likely if its never had a rebuild imho.

Would agree that an early rebuild doesn't necessarily count for much. However, stats would suggest that if it's an early engine that's had no rebuild, then it's a good 10+ times more likely to need one than an engine built or rebuilt post mid-2002 with new followers & valve guides.

[yak293]

thanks again for the opinions !!
i think a late 2001 car that has been fully sorted out is a reasonable proposition! yes i know it could still go pop but at say £25K its a lot of car for a bit of risk ! is it not ??

[stillgrinning]

I paid a fair bit more for my 2001 red rose, with a warranty, anthrasite wheels, very nice interior, 12000 miles, full service etc., but mine had already had a re-build so IMO that's the only real question.

[yak293]

how many or what percentage of late 2001 speed 6 engines have needed rebuild..? of all the cars ive heard of only one will admit to a rebuild..
dealers dismiss the problem stating the 380 hp engine doesnt incurr the failures of the standard pre 2001 engine..whats the true situation??

[Krusty]

yak293 said:

how many or what percentage of late 2001 speed 6 engines have needed rebuild

Search through earlier JSG thread as he has a very usefull chart about rebuilds

[J_S_G]

yak293 said:

how many or what percentage of late 2001 speed 6 engines have needed rebuild..? of all the cars ive heard of only one will admit to a rebuild.. dealers dismiss the problem stating the 380 hp engine doesnt incurr the failures of the standard pre 2001 engine..whats the true situation??

I would (purely as an "ignorant" owner, and in no way an official "expert") assert that the same finger followers and valve guides are in the standard engine as the Red Rose. I'd also say that a "substantial percentage" require a rebuild to fix these problems.

And as for people admitting to rebuilds, I've had a lot more rebuilds e-mailed to me than I included in the survey where the owners didn't want to "publicly participate"...

I do honestly have faith in my shiny new engine now, though, and don't imagine for a second those well-documented problems still exist

[J_S_G]

yak293 said:

thanks again for the opinions !! i think a late 2001 car that has been fully sorted out is a reasonable proposition! yes i know it could still go pop but at say £25K its a lot of car for a bit of risk ! is it not ??

I'd say that if you walk into it with an extra couple of £k in the bank, and of the mindset "£28k is a lot of car for next to no risk", fully assuming that you are, at some point, going to have to pay for having a bargain (and you're OK with losing it for a rebuild for a few weeks), then you can't go wrong. You either get what you expected and can afford, or you end up with a lump of cash in the bank that you can spend on a whim/whatever when you sell the car. That's exactly what I did, and now I'm happy knowing that all my engine woes were got out of the way within the first 3 months of ownership... and I can now trust it not to pack in again until well after I've had my fun with it and sold it on.

There's no other car that'll turn as many heads or make you grin as much for the money; it's just a case of not thinking "I'll be lucky".

[jamster]

J_S_G said:

yak293 said: how many or what percentage of late 2001 speed 6 engines have needed rebuild..? of all the cars ive heard of only one will admit to a rebuild.. dealers dismiss the problem stating the 380 hp engine doesnt incurr the failures of the standard pre 2001 engine..whats the true situation?? I would (purely as an "ignorant" owner, and in no way an official "expert") assert that the same finger followers and valve guides are in the standard engine as the Red Rose. I'd also say that a "substantial percentage" require a rebuild to fix these problems. And as for people admitting to rebuilds, I've had a lot more rebuilds e-mailed to me than I included in the survey where the owners didn't want to "publicly participate"... I do honestly have faith in my shiny new engine now, though, and don't imagine for a second those well-documented problems still exist

Red rose models on the speed six are basically no different than the standard ones. You'll be lucky to see the extra 20bhp! Look for the different injectors. Thats about all that was changed. As far as price goes. 25K so should get you a good one with the current market. The finger followers wear badly when the car is not used regularly because all the oil drips of the plates. ie in a week the follweres will be bone dry. Starting the car up after this rips the follower to shreds. To minimise wear use GTX Magnatex or something similar that sticks to the metals. The new followers have harder plates and thus wear less. They will still wear though if they've no oil on them hence use the car as often as possible. Over and oot!

[GGT]

Jamster, at last i understand about finger followers , are you saying that castol GTX is better than mobil 1 to use rather than mobil, even though tvr recommend it,dont want to start another oil war, but what you say makes sense if you can only use the car at weekends like myself

[jamster]

GGT said:

Jamster, at last i understand about finger followers , are you saying that castol GTX is better than mobil 1 to use rather than mobil, even though tvr recommend it,dont want to start another oil war, but what you say makes sense if you can only use the car at weekends like myself

Nop, mobil one is better once the car has started. But it doenst stick to the followers and all the other gubbins as well once you've not used the car for a while. Thats when all the damage is caused :-(

[luddite]

For some seriously in-depth discussion/advice about oil see the thread started by opieoilman on the General TVR Fourm. (the thread is curently relegated to Page 2 of that forum).

[alans]

jamster said:

GGT said: Jamster, at last i understand about finger followers , are you saying that castol GTX is better than mobil 1 to use rather than mobil, even though tvr recommend it,dont want to start another oil war, but what you say makes sense if you can only use the car at weekends like myself Nop, mobil one is better once the car has started. But it doenst stick to the followers and all the other gubbins as well once you've not used the car for a while. Thats when all the damage is caused :-(

If that were true mine should have had a rebuild or two
I bought it (01 RR) at 2.5 years old with 4K miles, and use it mainly at weekends (ocasional weekday use) and use mobil 1. Now on 14K miles and at the last service (10K miles) no wear on the followers or cam.
Alan

[jamster]

alans said:

jamster said: GGT said: Jamster, at last i understand about finger followers , are you saying that castol GTX is better than mobil 1 to use rather than mobil, even though tvr recommend it,dont want to start another oil war, but what you say makes sense if you can only use the car at weekends like myself Nop, mobil one is better once the car has started. But it doenst stick to the followers and all the other gubbins as well once you've not used the car for a while. Thats when all the damage is caused :-( If that were true mine should have had a rebuild or two I bought it (01 RR) at 2.5 years old with 4K miles, and use it mainly at weekends (ocasional weekday use) and use mobil 1. Now on 14K miles and at the last service (10K miles) no wear on the followers or cam. Alan

maybe you have a good hardened set of followers. If so you'll be ay ok for years to come. If not you've prob got a few more K miles before they'll go. Doesnt just depend on oil of course. Fingers crossed.