997 C2, C2S, C4, C4S - which is/are widebody?

[roygarth]

I thought C2S was more powerful than C2 but still narrow body?
I thought C4S was more powerful than C4 and wide body?
Friend disagrees.
Truth please.

[tertius]

C4 and C4S (and targa) are wide body.

S models are more powerful (than non-S) in whichever guise.

[gilford]

C4S is the only turbo bodied car in 996 guise, C4 is just a carrera that is 4 wheel drive.

C2S is narrow bodied in 997 guise, albeit a little wider track than the 996, and again the C4S is the only turbo bodied naturally aspirated 911

Now, tell him to get us a pint in

[steve.B]

roygarth said:

I thought C2S was more powerful than C2 but still narrow body?
I thought C4S was more powerful than C4 and wide body?
Friend disagrees.
Truth please.

Noticed you had a 964 C2 did you enjoy, I had one for a few years in Spain great fun
and sounds.

[thegoose]

gilford said:

the C4S is the only turbo bodied naturally aspirated 911

that's only correct for 996, question was about 997 in which case C4 is also widebody and naturally aspirated. As for earlier models, 3.2 Supersport (all body styles) was NA and wide/turbo body, as were 964 Celebration and 993 S and 993 C4S

[steve.B]

thegoose said:

gilford said:

the C4S is the only turbo bodied naturally aspirated 911

that's only correct for 996, question was about 997 in which case C4 is also widebody and naturally aspirated. As for earlier models, 3.2 Supersport (all body styles) was NA and wide/turbo body, as were 964 Celebration and 993 S and 993 C4S

Do you sport a beard by any chance

[roygarth]

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

[roygarth]

steve.B said:

Noticed you had a 964 C2 did you enjoy, I had one for a few years in Spain great fun
and sounds.

Still got it, still enjoying it!

[steve.B]

roygarth said:

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

The S have 3.8 and the nons have 3.6 in the 997

[guyvert1]

steve.B said:

roygarth said:

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

The S have 3.8 and the nons have 3.6 in the 997

All 997 NON S have narrow body
All 997 S have wide body

[steve.B]

guyvert1 said:

steve.B said:

roygarth said:

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

The S have 3.8 and the nons have 3.6 in the 997

All 997 NON S have narrow body
All 997 S have wide body

Oh no they don't
4wd have wide bodies whether S or not
The 2S and C2 have narrow bodies think Im right

[freedman]

thegoose said:

gilford said:

the C4S is the only turbo bodied naturally aspirated 911

. As for earlier models, 3.2 Supersport (all body styles) was NA and wide/turbo body, as were 964 Celebration

There were also 964 widebody cabs made in 1991, which had nothing to do with the celebration model a couple of years later

[DirkDiggler]

from porsche.com

997 2 - Width = 1,808 mm
997 2s - 1,808 mm
997 4 - 1,852 mm
997 4s - 1,852 mm

[steve.B]

DirkDiggler said:

from porsche.com

997 2 - Width = 1,808 mm
997 2s - 1,808 mm
997 4 - 1,852 mm
997 4s - 1,852 mm

22mm each side why did they bother making two body shells.

[Callughan]

gilford said:

C4S is the only turbo bodied car in 996 guise, C4 is just a carrera that is 4 wheel drive.

C2S is narrow bodied in 997 guise, albeit a little wider track than the 996, and again the C4S is the only turbo bodied naturally aspirated 911

Now, tell him to get us a pint in

The 996 C4S is also 5mm longer than a regular Carrera.

[thegoose]

Callughan said:

The 996 C4S is also 5mm longer than a regular Carrera.

The 996 C4S only came out on the facelift, when the standard car also got different bumpers so was longer than before (if you ever see an early car fitted with late tailpipes they stick out too far and look silly) so you may have measurements for early standard cars and late wide ones (hence late standard car would be the same). [/beard]

[Callughan]

thegoose said:

Callughan said:

The 996 C4S is also 5mm longer than a regular Carrera.

The 996 C4S only came out on the facelift, when the standard car also got different bumpers so was longer than before (if you ever see an early car fitted with late tailpipes they stick out too far and look silly) so you may have measurements for early standard cars and late wide ones (hence late standard car would be the same). [/beard]

I got the measurement from the manual for the facelift model where it has both cars lengths.

[forza whites]

guyvert1 said:

steve.B said:

roygarth said:

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

The S have 3.8 and the nons have 3.6 in the 997

All 997 NON S have narrow body
All 997 S have wide body

Nope.... the 997 and 997 S share the same bodies!
they have different wheel and offset sizes that give the impression that the S is wider
The C4S I think is 44mm wider than a C2S
The 997 Turbo has a different body than a 997 C4S

[Adam B]

roygarth said:

So, in 997...
- C2 and C2S are narrow body
- C4 and C4S are wide body
- S are more powerful than non S

succinct and correct

[DJB321]

forza whites said:

Nope.... the 997 and 997 S share the same bodies!
they have different wheel and offset sizes that give the impression that the S is wider
The C4S I think is 44mm wider than a C2S

Given that the bodysheel must cover the entire width of the tyres (as an MOT requirement if nothing else) the difference can't possibly be attributable solely to the wheels/tyres since the widest part of the car must be the bodyshell and not the wheels/tyres.