Congestion Charges
Discussion
Porsches are specifically mentioned in the attached article.
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
Edited by runner911 on Monday 12th February 08:13
For those on here that have ever voted Labour - stop moaning & pay up. If you dont like road pricing then get off your arse at the next election & vote for the Torys.
Personally I have never voted Labour or Liberals in my life & never will, but I can afford to pay the road charge & ill be enjoying the empty roads.
Personally I have never voted Labour or Liberals in my life & never will, but I can afford to pay the road charge & ill be enjoying the empty roads.
Not sure it will impact residuals - most people that can afford £50k plus (say 2-3 year old 911)and increasing insurance premiums will not be put off that much by increased road charges and besides I would suspect that most people in London (central) dont use their cars for commuting, even with the congestion charge, its still too congested. Most other "nice" cars will no doubt get wrapped up in increased road charges so unless you're prepared to drive a Prius or Micra (which personally I'm not) then I suspect this will be just become another tax that the government will levy on us all.
I expect that will only apply this to cars that are registered after a certain date. The idea will be for people to consider buying a lower emission car the next time they change their cars. If this is the case then I am positive about the scheme as it will force manufacturers to make cars that use less fuel. Even if you dont believe in global warming or that it caused by CO2 emissions, this can only be a good thing.
I see that Porsche have already woken up to this and are making a Boxster that will fall into a lower CO2 banding. The current model line up falls into the higher banding and so I would expect sales of Boxsters and Cayannes would be decimated. 997s will still be bought as it is a different profile of buyer.
I see that Porsche have already woken up to this and are making a Boxster that will fall into a lower CO2 banding. The current model line up falls into the higher banding and so I would expect sales of Boxsters and Cayannes would be decimated. 997s will still be bought as it is a different profile of buyer.
paracetamol said:
I expect that will only apply this to cars that are registered after a certain date. The idea will be for people to consider buying a lower emission car the next time they change their cars. If this is the case then I am positive about the scheme as it will force manufacturers to make cars that use less fuel. Even if you dont believe in global warming or that it caused by CO2 emissions, this can only be a good thing.
I see that Porsche have already woken up to this and are making a Boxster that will fall into a lower CO2 banding. The current model line up falls into the higher banding and so I would expect sales of Boxsters and Cayannes would be decimated. 997s will still be bought as it is a different profile of buyer.
I see that Porsche have already woken up to this and are making a Boxster that will fall into a lower CO2 banding. The current model line up falls into the higher banding and so I would expect sales of Boxsters and Cayannes would be decimated. 997s will still be bought as it is a different profile of buyer.
Wrong. Anything made before the cut off time is judges on engine capacity. Anything over 3.0 will be Band G.
They'll fvck us whatever way they can.
runner911 said:
Porsches are specifically mentioned in the attached article.
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
Don't think so.
What I DO think is that more petrolhead Londoners will look into car sharing clubs as an alternative to ownership. The truly wealthy will not change their habits one jot and a small number of non-enthusiast performance car owners may well decide not to bother with a car at their London home. The effect on the market value of Porsches and Ferraris will be negligible IMO.
Don said:
runner911 said:
Porsches are specifically mentioned in the attached article.
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
www.guardian.co.uk/congestion/story/0,,2010908,00.html
What do we all think of that ?
Will there be an impact on values ?
Don't think so.
What I DO think is that more petrolhead Londoners will look into car sharing clubs as an alternative to ownership. The truly wealthy will not change their habits one jot and a small number of non-enthusiast performance car owners may well decide not to bother with a car at their London home. The effect on the market value of Porsches and Ferraris will be negligible IMO.
You do realise this is not going to be "London only"-
Also its a bit unfair to consider the wealthy not want to change their habits. Due to their wealth, they are often able to afford to be early adopters and its their purchases that allow the prices of new technology to filter down to the masses. In fact its these truely wealthy that are driving hybrid sales in the west coast of the US. There will of course always be the "neaveau riche" that currently require a Cayanne or RR Sport to show their wealth at the school gates of Tarquin's prep school. You could be right about changing their behaviours.
As for Porsche and Ferarri sales, you are probably right. The more expensive Porsches and all Ferarris are nearly all purchased for recreation rather than communting and so I expect sales will continue. But for Boxsters, I think Porsche are right to bring out a model which falls below the Band G. As for the Cayanne-its hard to say-if manufactuers can make something like an S-Max but with a Porsche/BMW/Audi badge then you may get footballer's wife or chelsea mum to consider buying one. I think the Cayanne will appear to be a stupid and unfashionable purchase in years to come (just as GTI's became in the mid 1990s)
Timmo,
Am I being stupid (no need to answer) but how come you are congestion charge free?
We get hammered on both counts (Disco and C4) and as two of us travel pretty much at all times, it doesnt make sense to get on one of those awful big red things or travel like moles underground. (Not that we would anyway....)
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Am I being stupid (no need to answer) but how come you are congestion charge free?
We get hammered on both counts (Disco and C4) and as two of us travel pretty much at all times, it doesnt make sense to get on one of those awful big red things or travel like moles underground. (Not that we would anyway....)
P
As Blow Dog says I do find it quite bizarre that if you have 20,000 clapped out 15 year old nails blowing out soot smoke and 
knows what that's absolutely fine and dandy because it's "only" a 1.2L Escort but if you're lucky (read that as rich in Red Ken's mind?) enough to drive a Porsche/Ferrari etc. you're a filthy evil polluter and should be punished.
knows what that's absolutely fine and dandy because it's "only" a 1.2L Escort but if you're lucky (read that as rich in Red Ken's mind?) enough to drive a Porsche/Ferrari etc. you're a filthy evil polluter and should be punished.The whole premise of the article is flawed. It infers that the motivation behind this absurd stealth tax is pollution, whereas the criteria on which is is based is supposedly CO2. CO2 is not a pollutant - there is nowhere near enough of it in the air in our cities to even dream of toxicity. If pollution is a problem, the first thing to do is to ban all diesels - especially the older ones, and all vans, busses and taxis that run on it. Pollution is the stuff that you don't want to breath, such as carcinogenic PM10 particulates and the photoreactive gunk that gives the capital that delicate brown hue on a clear summers day. Not to mention old fashioned soot.
Even the Americans understand this, which is why almost all diesels in the US are trucks (they cannot pass the emmissions rules for cars).
CO2 is a red herring. The contribution of the CO2 emmissions of UK cars to the global problem is so close to bugger all that you can barely measure it. If you want to save the planet, stop buying cheap goods from the main polluters (China, India, USA) until they clean up their industries...
Oh, and start throwing rocks at people who drive tractors.
Even the Americans understand this, which is why almost all diesels in the US are trucks (they cannot pass the emmissions rules for cars).
CO2 is a red herring. The contribution of the CO2 emmissions of UK cars to the global problem is so close to bugger all that you can barely measure it. If you want to save the planet, stop buying cheap goods from the main polluters (China, India, USA) until they clean up their industries...
Oh, and start throwing rocks at people who drive tractors.
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