X50 and Sat Nav
Discussion
The trade and therefore private buyers, will try and screw you at resale. I hold an alternative view that at some stage in the future people will prefer the cheaper to replace DIN slot radio than the expensive built in satnav system when these electronics go wrong.
There is also the issue that modern portable satnavs are in a different league functionwise.
DAZ
(deliberately ordered my car in 2002 without satnav, so I had empty DIN slots in the dash for various garage door laser radar and GPS related control panels).
There is also the issue that modern portable satnavs are in a different league functionwise.
DAZ
(deliberately ordered my car in 2002 without satnav, so I had empty DIN slots in the dash for various garage door laser radar and GPS related control panels).
Edited by dazren on Sunday 11th February 11:44
This whole satnav thing amazes me.
Why pay a premium for an utterly out of date system when a £200 portable job is far superior. There's a chap I know who uses a Garmin in his Aston V8 becuase the nav is just shit.
If you want a TV in the dash, then get a Kenwood Double DIN system and save youself a couple of grand!!
Although I know the PCM2 is shit - i like the look of it in the dash and would be reluctant to buy one without
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Edited by WetWipe on Sunday 11th February 13:32
I have a PCM2 unit which works fine. I'm sure that certain aftermarket systems offer a more sophisticated solution in terms of functionality, but hey, I only use it for helping me get to a location. This, it does perfectly well.
I personally place a value on having a neat integrated solution. I drive past hundreds of mondeo/vectra/golf/focus etc etc that have a suctioned cupped screen stuck on top of the dash and I think it looks sh*t. I also could not be bothered to remove it every time I parked up or even have the motor broken into by someone looking for the unit in the glovebox or similar.
IMO no top end, primarily road use car should have a nasty aftermarket box stuck on the dash or windscreen, nor would I consider buying a modern expensive car without it. I seriously doubt I am alone in this sentiment.
I personally place a value on having a neat integrated solution. I drive past hundreds of mondeo/vectra/golf/focus etc etc that have a suctioned cupped screen stuck on top of the dash and I think it looks sh*t. I also could not be bothered to remove it every time I parked up or even have the motor broken into by someone looking for the unit in the glovebox or similar.
IMO no top end, primarily road use car should have a nasty aftermarket box stuck on the dash or windscreen, nor would I consider buying a modern expensive car without it. I seriously doubt I am alone in this sentiment.
chillerman said:
I have a PCM2 unit which works fine. I'm sure that certain aftermarket systems offer a more sophisticated solution in terms of functionality, but hey, I only use it for helping me get to a location. This, it does perfectly well.
I personally place a value on having a neat integrated solution. I drive past hundreds of mondeo/vectra/golf/focus etc etc that have a suctioned cupped screen stuck on top of the dash and I think it looks sh*t. I also could not be bothered to remove it every time I parked up or even have the motor broken into by someone looking for the unit in the glovebox or similar.
IMO no top end, primarily road use car should have a nasty aftermarket box stuck on the dash or windscreen, nor would I consider buying a modern expensive car without it. I seriously doubt I am alone in this sentiment.
I personally place a value on having a neat integrated solution. I drive past hundreds of mondeo/vectra/golf/focus etc etc that have a suctioned cupped screen stuck on top of the dash and I think it looks sh*t. I also could not be bothered to remove it every time I parked up or even have the motor broken into by someone looking for the unit in the glovebox or similar.
IMO no top end, primarily road use car should have a nasty aftermarket box stuck on the dash or windscreen, nor would I consider buying a modern expensive car without it. I seriously doubt I am alone in this sentiment.
I think you've hit the nail on the head chillerman. I'd be reluctant to get a 996TT without PCM.
I use a Tomtom910 from time to time - in terms of functionality, it knocks spots of previous COMAND and BMW Nav systems (even the DVD ones) I had integrated in previous cars, but its still a pain to get out, put away and have stuck to the windscreen. Even DIN mounted options don't always look well integrated, though are no doubt much more convenient than Tomtoms.
Is the PCM1 worse than the Mk1 CD COMAND in Mercs (from 1998)? Whilst Mk1 COMAND looked pretty klunky - the ones I had always did a good job of actually navigating, as long as I had the right discs for the country I was in. Having it integrated made it really good, even though there was no gimmicky 3d/etc. (e.g. instructions came up for nav under the speedo in my 03 SL500, and in a similar way the integrated phone book would scroll in a display under the rev counter, IIRC). Having said that I always found the TMC traffic you get std with prof BMW Navs excellent and worth having - does PCM1/2 have this?
(Having said all that a Tomtom would probably look OK, if a bit low down, in an early pre-996 911 if you found a way to neatly mount it permanently on top of the centre console under the dash - anyone tried this - photos?)
I use a Tomtom910 from time to time - in terms of functionality, it knocks spots of previous COMAND and BMW Nav systems (even the DVD ones) I had integrated in previous cars, but its still a pain to get out, put away and have stuck to the windscreen. Even DIN mounted options don't always look well integrated, though are no doubt much more convenient than Tomtoms.
Is the PCM1 worse than the Mk1 CD COMAND in Mercs (from 1998)? Whilst Mk1 COMAND looked pretty klunky - the ones I had always did a good job of actually navigating, as long as I had the right discs for the country I was in. Having it integrated made it really good, even though there was no gimmicky 3d/etc. (e.g. instructions came up for nav under the speedo in my 03 SL500, and in a similar way the integrated phone book would scroll in a display under the rev counter, IIRC). Having said that I always found the TMC traffic you get std with prof BMW Navs excellent and worth having - does PCM1/2 have this?
(Having said all that a Tomtom would probably look OK, if a bit low down, in an early pre-996 911 if you found a way to neatly mount it permanently on top of the centre console under the dash - anyone tried this - photos?)
WetWipe said:
Although I know the PCM2 is shit - i like the look of it in the dash and would be reluctant to buy one without
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Edited by WetWipe on Sunday 11th February 13:32
I think you know the car I'm talking about!
jdh1 said:
WetWipe said:
Although I know the PCM2 is shit - i like the look of it in the dash and would be reluctant to buy one without
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Edited by WetWipe on Sunday 11th February 13:32
I think you know the car I'm talking about!
its a great looking car and a good price. love the aerokit and the carbon. Im not a fan of that colour normally but it looks great.
Is it as good in the flesh?
wetwipe said:
jdh1 said:
WetWipe said:
Although I know the PCM2 is shit - i like the look of it in the dash and would be reluctant to buy one without
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Is it safe to assume the car you looked at has the aerokit and lots of interior carbon? if so, its a stunning looking car with a huge amount spent on it but, like you say, no nav.
edited to add as an after thought, if i was looking for a pre 52 plate TT i would positively look for a car without nav as the pcm1 unit imho looks horrid
Edited by WetWipe on Sunday 11th February 13:32
I think you know the car I'm talking about!
its a great looking car and a good price. love the aerokit and the carbon. Im not a fan of that colour normally but it looks great.
Is it as good in the flesh?
Can't really fault it - other than lack of NAV and a few stone chips. Comfort seats wouldn't suit everyone, but they're fine for me.
I am sorry but I would never let the decision about buying a £50k+ sports car come down to whether it had sat nav or not. There are many companies out there that can neatly retro fit a decent system for a very reasonable cost.
jdh1, whcih car did you look at? My old X50 is for sale at 911 Sport at that did not have sat nav.
jdh1, whcih car did you look at? My old X50 is for sale at 911 Sport at that did not have sat nav.
Edited by reb1977 on Sunday 11th February 19:39
Edited by reb1977 on Monday 12th February 09:45
///ajd said:
Having said that I always found the TMC traffic you get std with prof BMW Navs excellent and worth having - does PCM1/2 have this?
My 2004 997 had PCM2 with dvd based european disc. The TMC did nothing until I got to Switzerland when it started talking to me. I enquired about it on my return to Blighty and was told its a £500 update which gives a new dvd map and the TMC will work in the UK. I didn't bother, obviously.
reb1977 said:
I am sorry but I would never let the decision about buying a £50k+ sports car come down to whether it had sat nav or not. There are many companies out there that can neatly retro fit a decent system for a very reasonable cost.
jdh1, whcih car did you look at? My X50 is for sale at 911 Sport at that did not have sat nav.
jdh1, whcih car did you look at? My X50 is for sale at 911 Sport at that did not have sat nav.
Edited by reb1977 on Sunday 11th February 19:39
do you have the car there sale or return? it looks beautiful
and very tempting.....
I can kind of understand it with the 997 as the dash has a large LCD integrated as standard kit, and it seems a bit daft to have it there and it not to be able to do navigation. On the 996s though, the provision of a double DIN slot seems ripe for a superior and indeed cheaper aftermarket solution for anyone inclined to go for an integrated solution. [At the very least, this should avert some vermin spotting suction cup marks on the windscreen and smashing a window to see if you have left a TomTom in an unlocked glovebox].
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