how the 997 restyled looks, according to this site's spypics
how the 997 restyled looks, according to this site's spypics
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tonikaram

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324 posts

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Thursday 25th January 2007
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I'm not sure whether this has already been around:

http://flav9ii.free.fr/997phase2.html

www.youtube.com/v/shWKW3LzSmI


Kay

sleep envy

62,260 posts

279 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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I'm pretty sure it has

other than a few tweaks to the lights fore and aft, is there any other external changes?

tonikaram

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Thursday 25th January 2007
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Exterior, doesn't seem so. Lights, spoilers, and exhausts a bit.

But to me, the introduction of the DSG 7 speed is the serious move. Porsche finally answering to Ferrari's sequential gearbox. The VW-Audi DSG is a copy of an original Porsche race design, but Porsche owed it to themselves to have their own race seq. box on their cars.

But, that being said, I wonder whether this gearbox will be Porsche's version of a racetrack sequencial gear box, or whether it will be a comfort gimmick similar to the DSG of the Golf, which is, however many clutches it has inside, an automatic gearbox since it relies heavily on the software behind it, and that software is tuned for comfort, meaning:
1) it changes whenever you're in the red (imagine that in the middle of a turn. I take alot of turns on the red and have the rev bounce on the limiter, I don't want no gearbox to decide that it must change)
2) it downshifts if your rev is too low, which I also don't like.

If Porsche's DSG will have the above like the Golf's, this means it will only replace the tiptronic and be there for that market, and that I will move one whenever I see one.

The other important introduction is the new direct injection which increases the horsepower output.


Kay


Edited by tonikaram on Thursday 25th January 14:03



Edited by tonikaram on Thursday 25th January 14:03

Maverick73

107 posts

239 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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Do we know when it is expected to hit the UK markets and any ideas on the impact on "old" 997 residuals?

tonikaram

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Thursday 25th January 2007
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Maverick73 said:
Do we know when it is expected to hit the UK markets and any ideas on the impact on "old" 997 residuals?



Similar to the 996 MkI vs MkII?

Kay

pbarlow0032

420 posts

243 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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[quote=tonikaram]
2) it downshifts if your rev is too low, which I also don't like.

If in manual mode, DSG only downshifts if you would stall otherwise e.g. if coming to rest at lights, revs fall to idle, therefore shifts to 1st gear.

Pugsey

5,821 posts

244 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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Is it just me or has the face lift given it back a bit of the 996's 'blobbyness' - rear view of blue car particularly. Hope not because that wouldn't be good. Anyone know what the power increase will be?


Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:14

DanH

12,287 posts

290 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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Pugsey said:
Is it just me or has the face lift given it back a bit of the 996's 'blobbyness' - rear view of blue car particularly. Hope not because that wouldn't be good. Anyone know what the power increase will be?


Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:14


I know what you mean. Time will tell I guess.

Pugsey

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244 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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DanH said:
Pugsey said:
Is it just me or has the face lift given it back a bit of the 996's 'blobbyness' - rear view of blue car particularly. Hope not because that wouldn't be good. Anyone know what the power increase will be?


Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:14


I know what you mean. Time will tell I guess.
It may be exaggerated by the fact that the blue car also looks v. low compared with black (top) car. I know susp. is loaded up but still looks v.low to me.



Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 25th January 20:55

tonikaram

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324 posts

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Thursday 25th January 2007
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Pugsey said:
Anyone know what the power increase will be?


That site says 340PS and 370PS for the Carrera and the S respectively as well as a decrease of fuel consumption by 10% (that one I can't believe).

Kay

911_OMG

104 posts

237 months

Thursday 25th January 2007
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The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines

tonikaram

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Friday 26th January 2007
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911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines


"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!

Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.

Kay

Pugsey

5,821 posts

244 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines


"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!

Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.

Kay
Pay a Ferrari £140k price tag for your basic Carrera and I'm sure Porsche will be happy to make the engine more 'exotic'. Me I don't really care whats in 'em - only how they go. Characteristic noise? - have you HEARD the 997GT3 - or any 911 for that matter!



Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59

tonikaram

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Friday 26th January 2007
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Pugsey said:
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines


"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!

Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.

Kay
Pay a Ferrari £140k price tag for your basic Carrera and I'm sure Porsche will be happy to make the engine more 'exotic'. Me I don't really care whats in 'em - only how they go. Characteristic noise? - have you HEARD the 997GT3 - or any 911 for that matter!



Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59


Read my post carefully, I said "regular Carrera". The GT3 block is still out there as far as I am concerned, because of the dry sump.
Whether I heard a 911 before, well a few months ago I'd said alot, but now it's actually massively, as my still unfortunate search for one has led me to test drive anything from a 996 C2 to a C4 to a 993 C2S to two C4's and the last one three times until I decided to let it go because it was a four. What a beauty it was, full leather.

Kay

Rob_R

2,459 posts

275 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines


"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!

Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.

Kay


VW or not, it is an exceptional new technology, 10% better fuel economy is a real claim. Porsche engines are very different to VW ones believe me!

GT3 engine is a great engine, try one and see what you think.

tonikaram

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Friday 26th January 2007
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Rob_R said:

VW or not, it is an exceptional new technology, 10% better fuel economy is a real claim. Porsche engines are very different to VW ones believe me!
GT3 engine is a great engine, try one and see what you think.



My comment was directed to the regular Carrera's...


Kay

Pugsey

5,821 posts

244 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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tonikaram said:
Pugsey said:
tonikaram said:
911_OMG said:
The decrease in fuel consumption by 10% is through the use of new direct injection petrol engines as per the new Cayenne engines


"direct injection" sounds so VW to me! I am now inclined to look up the exact differences between a Porsche engine and a VW/Audi one! In the past, the list was exhaustive, now it sounds like it's almost limited to the boxter structure!

Ferrari have the upper hand on the regular Carrera more and more I think. Crankshafts open at 180degrees giving the characteristic noise, now that's a racecar.

Kay
Pay a Ferrari £140k price tag for your basic Carrera and I'm sure Porsche will be happy to make the engine more 'exotic'. Me I don't really care whats in 'em - only how they go. Characteristic noise? - have you HEARD the 997GT3 - or any 911 for that matter!



Edited by Pugsey on Friday 26th January 08:59


Read my post carefully, I said "regular Carrera". The GT3 block is still out there as far as I am concerned, because of the dry sump.
Whether I heard a 911 before, well a few months ago I'd said alot, but now it's actually massively, as my still unfortunate search for one has led me to test drive anything from a 996 C2 to a C4 to a 993 C2S to two C4's and the last one three times until I decided to let it go because it was a four. What a beauty it was, full leather.

Kay

eh? - take similar reading care and you'll see I said "basic Carrera". Basic/Regular, TomATEo/TamARTo same thing surely? Don't think you can compare £140k against £60k.

tonikaram

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324 posts

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Friday 26th January 2007
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Pugsey said:

Don't think you can compare £140k against £60k.


Actually that raises a point. In the past (993 and before), this price gap between a basic Ferrari and a basic regular carrera was relatively the same. However, the basic regular carrera had a dry sump, a gearbox driven with rods rather than cables, and a real autolock differential. These made the carrera a every attractive offer.
Today, if you fancy those (well except for the gearbox), you need to resort to the GT3, GT2 or Turbo. In the past, you just had to buy any 911 and all these are yours.

Kay

Dr S

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256 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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Why do Porsche need to start with these fussy diffusors on the back? This looks so Renault Clio to me.

loach

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246 months

Friday 26th January 2007
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Reminds me of what I've seen of the Panamera around the back. Looks as though Porsche is trying to make sure that the Panamera looks like the 911 when it arrives, by making sure the 911 looks like the Panamera. As someone suggested elsewhere this morning, could Porsche stop trying to make everything in its line-up look like the 911? Given the 997's uncanny resemblance to a 993, is anyone at home in the Design department?