Porsche 'Ring times

[anonymous-user]

some laptimes i found somewhere, various sources, might be of interest

6:11 - xxx.xxx km/h - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983
7:15 - 169.311 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7,17 - 172.xxx km/h - Porsche GTR3-MR, Olaf Manthey, VLN 2002
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32 - 163.911 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32 - 163.882 km/h - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01)
7.39*- 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42 - 162.xxx km/h - Porsche 911 RS 3.8, slicks, Walther Röhrl
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, Walter Rohrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 - 161.xxx km/h - TechArt 996 GT2 Porsche 620 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 99)
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (HvS sport auto 06/01)
7:47 - 158.801 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/04)
7:48 - 158.463 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7.49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004)
7:49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49 - 159.xxx km/h - 996 GT3 Cup -99, 1207 kg, 360 hp, slicks, Sport Auto
7:54 - 156.456 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM Performance (Walter Rohrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
8:02 - 153.858 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM Sport (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:02 - 155.xxx km/h - 911 Roock Turbo RST 480, 480 ps, Sport Auto
8:03 - 153.540 km/h - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:05 - 152.907 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:11*- 151.274 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, Walter Rohrl *mfr.(spt auto 07/05)
8:12 - 150.732 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:15 - 149.818 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 - 151.xxx km/h - Ruf CTR 2 993 520 ps, Stefan Roser.
8:15 - 151.xxx km/h - Ruf CTR 911 469 ps, Stefan Roser.
8:15 - 151.xxx km/h - Porsche 964 RS 260 ps. !?
8:17 - 149.215 km/h - Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:23 - 147.435 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 - 147.435 km/h - Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 - 149.xxx km/h - Porsche 944 Turbo 250+ ps (Mikjel, No 2006)
8:28 - 146.xxx km/h - Porsche 964 RS 260 ps, Sport Auto 1992
8:28 - 145.984 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:30 - xxx.xxx km/h - Porsche 928 S4 CS (German Mag in '88)
8:32 - 145.xxx km/h - Porsche 964 Turbo 365 ps, Sport Auto 1992
8:32 - 144.844 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:36 - 143.585 km/h - Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:38 - 144.xxx km/h - Porsche 911 993 Carrera 285 ps, Stephen Sutcliffe, Car 1998/1999
8:42 - xxx.xxx km/h - Porsche Cayenne Turbo, Walter Roehrl
8:46 - 140.989 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285hp
8:48 - 140.388 km/h - Porsche 911 Carrera, 285hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:54 - 138.897 km/h - Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)

and just for reference
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)

Edited by francisb on Thursday 4th January 12:35

[softinthehead]

veyron time is a surprise. perhaps at a million quid a pop the driver was being careful with it?

[zcacogp]

I know they are terribly infra dig on here, but how do 924, 944, 928 and 968 times fit into a list like this?


Oli.

[GuyS.]

zcacogp said:

I know they are terribly infra dig on here, but how do 924, 944, 928 and 968 times fit into a list like this?

I'm not sure that Sport Auto mag have a sundial

[flemke]

zcacogp said:

I know they are terribly infra dig on here, but how do 924, 944, 928 and 968 times fit into a list like this?


Oli.

Indeed, why the Veyron time?
At least the front-engined cars are Porsches.

[anonymous-user]

flemke said:

zcacogp said:

I know they are terribly infra dig on here, but how do 924, 944, 928 and 968 times fit into a list like this?


Oli.

Indeed, why the Veyron time?
At least the front-engined cars are Porsches.

just thought it was interesting compared to a 997 gt3/turbo, especially given the recent bug threads...
if anyone can add the 924,944,928,968 times, (preferably with provenance) i'll gladly put them in the top post.

Edited by francisb on Thursday 4th January 11:33

[GravelBen]

One you forgot

6:11 - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983



I'm sure you already knew, just being pedantic

Edited by GravelBen on Thursday 4th January 11:37

[martind]

Are all those times full laps on a closed track ?

'88 928 S4 CS 8:30 ,German Mag in '88

[slippydiff]

GravelBen said:

One you forgot

6:11 - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983



I'm sure you already knew, just being pedantic

6:11 - - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983
7:15 - 169.311 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32 - 163.911 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32 - 163.882 km/h - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01)
7.39*- 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42 - 162 km/h - Porsche 911 RS 3.8, slicks, Walther Röhrl
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, Walter Rohrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 - 161 km/h - TechArt 996 GT2 Porsche 620 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 99)
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (HvS sport auto 06/01)
7:47 - 158.801 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/04)
7:48 - 158.463 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7.49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004)
7:49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49 - 159 km/h - 996 GT3 Cup -99, 1207 kg, 360 hp, slicks, Sport Auto
7:54 - 156.456 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Rohrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
8:02 - 153.858 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:02 - 155 km/h - 911 Roock Turbo RST 480, 480 ps, Sport Auto
8:03 - 153.540 km/h - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:05 - 152.907 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:11*- 151,274 km/h - Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 - 150.732 km/h - Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:15 - 149.818 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 - 151 km/h - Ruf CTR 2 993 520 ps, Stefan Roser.
8:15 - 151 km/h - Ruf CTR 911 469 ps, Stefan Roser.
8:15 - 151 km/h - Porsche 964 RS 260 ps. !?
8:17 - 149.215 km/h - Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:23 - 147.435 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 - 147.435 km/h - Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 - 149 km/h - Porsche 944 Turbo 250+ ps (Mikjel, No 2006)
8:28 - 146 km/h - Porsche 964 RS 260 ps, Sport Auto 1992
8:28 - 145.984 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:32 - 145 km/h - Porsche 964 Turbo 365 ps, Sport Auto 1992
8:32 - 144.844 km/h - Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:36 - 143.585 km/h - Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:38 - 144 km/h - Porsche 911 993 Carrera 285 ps, Stephen Sutcliffe, Car 1998/1999
8:46 - 140.989 km/h - Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285hp
8:48 - 140.388 km/h - Porsche 911 Carrera, 285hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:54 - 138.897 km/h - Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)

and just for reference
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)

Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 4th January 11:58

[martind]

This info is relevant in that some of the times are for different length of track depending on magazine let alone full lap or BtG ,Bridge to Gantry

"The original was 28.265 km long with South and North sections; north was Nordschleife 22,81 km long.
The current Nordschleife is 20.832 km long, it was shortened in in 1983. de:Sport auto uses in its "Supertest" the old drive-up at grandstand 13, so that they only do 20.6 km. "

[anonymous-user]

martind said:

Are all those times full laps on a closed track ?

'88 928 S4 CS 8:30 ,German Mag in '88

to the best of my knowledge full NS laps, most are on 22.8km track, average speed is included in the more accurate ones for better comparison...


8:30 ? well i included it but are you sure? faster than a '92 turbo, hmmm

[DanH]

7.39*- 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)

Isn't this the guessed figure based on Walter saying he reckoned it would be 6 secs faster or something? The measured figure doesn't seem close going by the other details in that list.

[zcacogp]

GuyS. said:

zcacogp said:

I know they are terribly infra dig on here, but how do 924, 944, 928 and 968 times fit into a list like this?

I'm not sure that Sport Auto mag have a sundial

Cheeky!

(I notice that there is a 944 turbo time in the original list, I didn't see it first time I read it. However, other 924/944/928/968 times would be welcomed as well - particularly for the 944 S2.)


Oli.

[GravelBen]

slippydiff said:

GravelBen said:

One you forgot

6:11 - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983



I'm sure you already knew, just being pedantic

6:11 - - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983
7:15 - 169.311 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
...

Yes yes, its been edited to update the list several times since my comment. Good to see I'm not the only who likes being pedantic round here though

Edited by GravelBen on Thursday 4th January 12:42

[martind]

francisb said:

martind said:

Are all those times full laps on a closed track ?

'88 928 S4 CS 8:30 ,German Mag in '88

to the best of my knowledge full NS laps, most are on 22.8km track, average speed is included in the more accurate ones for better comparison...


8:30 ? well i included it but are you sure? faster than a '92 turbo, hmmm

Well a mate of mine (Cheburator her on PH) does 8:20 BtG in his 928 GT with passenger ,same engine/power 330bhp & he's a crap driver ( Alex)
Whats a 'ballpark' time to add on to change a BtG to a full lap ?

[davyboy]

These times are not very specific...in fact I'd take them with a pinch of salt.

The one for the 944 Turbo has just had time added to it, it was also on MPSC tyres and running about 275bhp

[slippydiff]

GravelBen said:

slippydiff said:

GravelBen said:

One you forgot

6:11 - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983



I'm sure you already knew, just being pedantic

6:11 - - Porsche 956, Stefan Bellof 1983
7:15 - 169.311 km/h - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05)
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
...

Yes yes, its been edited to update the list several times since my comment. Good to see I'm not the only who likes being pedantic round here though

Edited by GravelBen on Thursday 4th January 12:42

[nel]

Surprised that there is no figure there for the 959 - Flemke, any info?

[BCA]

Cayman quicker than a CTR round the ring???!!!

edit: what is mfr?

Also, a CTR2 is slower than a standard 993 turbo??

Edited by BCA on Thursday 4th January 16:27

[nervous]

im hurt that you missed off

42 mins 36 secs: nervy and bluey (flying lap), GT3.

how quickly you forget. tsk.