CGT - Lesson One Completed! Thank you.
Discussion
Guys,
Thank you all for the practical information you provided me with regarding my original posting on 23rd November 2006. The throttle system really does take over automatically without any right leg action when starting from standstill.
I've stopped using the hand brake and now adopt the brake/clutch system that Flemke suggested. Really easy now.
What i have noticed is that, once i have taken it for a run, then switch off for say 5 minutes, then start again, the clutch/take off is jerky, and so i find my self letting up the clutch until the biting point, it jerks, lift it up a little more and then the auto throttle takes over - but i can not avoid the jerky bit at all? Is this normal? Is it because the engine is warm, and the ECU thinks it doesn't need a lot of throttle? Excuse my basic summising.
I am starting to become more confident with the car, and can start to appreciate and imagine the awesome dynamics to which Flemke referred. A truly capable car in the right hands. And having owned 104 vehicles in 20 years of driving, i can honestly say that i can not see the boredom level kicking in for the foreseeable future!
Lesson 2: I need to find someone who can really show me how to drive the CGT on a track. Is anyone able to let me have details on who might provide tuition?
Regards.
Thank you all for the practical information you provided me with regarding my original posting on 23rd November 2006. The throttle system really does take over automatically without any right leg action when starting from standstill.
I've stopped using the hand brake and now adopt the brake/clutch system that Flemke suggested. Really easy now.
What i have noticed is that, once i have taken it for a run, then switch off for say 5 minutes, then start again, the clutch/take off is jerky, and so i find my self letting up the clutch until the biting point, it jerks, lift it up a little more and then the auto throttle takes over - but i can not avoid the jerky bit at all? Is this normal? Is it because the engine is warm, and the ECU thinks it doesn't need a lot of throttle? Excuse my basic summising.
I am starting to become more confident with the car, and can start to appreciate and imagine the awesome dynamics to which Flemke referred. A truly capable car in the right hands. And having owned 104 vehicles in 20 years of driving, i can honestly say that i can not see the boredom level kicking in for the foreseeable future!
Lesson 2: I need to find someone who can really show me how to drive the CGT on a track. Is anyone able to let me have details on who might provide tuition?
Regards.
Hi Carl,
I can strongly reccomend Nigel Greensall (British GTs). Not only a really nice guy, also one of the fastest "privateers" in the country. He is also a pistonheader.
www.nigelgreensall.com
let him know I passed on his details and pass on my regards in case you do get into contact. riding with hin is something else, he's a genuinely nice guy, plus his tuition is good value for money. He also has very good contact's at the UK circuits. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Felix
I can strongly reccomend Nigel Greensall (British GTs). Not only a really nice guy, also one of the fastest "privateers" in the country. He is also a pistonheader.
www.nigelgreensall.com
let him know I passed on his details and pass on my regards in case you do get into contact. riding with hin is something else, he's a genuinely nice guy, plus his tuition is good value for money. He also has very good contact's at the UK circuits. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Felix
Carl as your in London you should also consider Andy Walsh of www.carlimits.com
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
Davey S2 said:
Carl as your in London you should also consider Andy Walsh of www.carlimits.com
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
Having been to North Weald in August for Judgement Day 2, I can tell you that there is NO WAY I would take a CGT there. The surface is terrible (potholes / large changes of level / debris etc). In fact, I won't be going back with my 3.
Steve
Merritt said:
Davey S2 said:
Carl as your in London you should also consider Andy Walsh of www.carlimits.com
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
He is an ex Benneton F1 test driver and does high performance training at North Weald in Essex.
Highly recommended. One of his exercises is the high speed bend where you get to know the cars characteristics as the back end breaks loose. Probably quite a handy thing to learn in a CGT!
Having been to North Weald in August for Judgement Day 2, I can tell you that there is NO WAY I would take a CGT there. The surface is terrible (potholes / large changes of level / debris etc). In fact, I won't be going back with my 3.
Steve
Steve,
I recall some adverse comment about the surface of the North Weald track in the past. Thank you for reminding me. I will still talk with Andy Walsh and ask his opinion also. I suffered £2,500 of paint damage on my Murciealgo when i went to Bruntingthorpe, and so i could do with not repeating this lesson.
Thanks.
Carl.
Merritt said:
Having been to North Weald in August for Judgement Day 2, I can tell you that there is NO WAY I would take a CGT there. The surface is terrible (potholes / large changes of level / debris etc). In fact, I won't be going back with my 3.
Steve
Steve
Seconded...my brother undertook one of Andy Walshes tuition days in his S1 Elise a few years back. On the exit of the area he runs the high speed cornering, there was a drainage channel running the length of that particular piece of tarmac (perpendicular to the approach road). Under ideal circumstances you wouldnt come into contact with it, but of course the whole point is to push past the limit of the car, which often results in high speed spinning, which *can* result in you going over the channel, sometimes backwards...I wouldnt want to submit my suspension to this! I have heard that it's since been filled-in, but havent been back to see first-hand. Generally though, the surface ain't great, loads of rubbishy stones etc.
I've heard Don Palmer is very good....
carl carrera said:
Guys,
Thank you all for the practical information you provided me with regarding my original posting on 23rd November 2006. The throttle system really does take over automatically without any right leg action when starting from standstill.
I've stopped using the hand brake and now adopt the brake/clutch system that Flemke suggested. Really easy now.
What i have noticed is that, once i have taken it for a run, then switch off for say 5 minutes, then start again, the clutch/take off is jerky, and so i find my self letting up the clutch until the biting point, it jerks, lift it up a little more and then the auto throttle takes over - but i can not avoid the jerky bit at all? Is this normal? Is it because the engine is warm, and the ECU thinks it doesn't need a lot of throttle? Excuse my basic summising.
I am starting to become more confident with the car, and can start to appreciate and imagine the awesome dynamics to which Flemke referred. A truly capable car in the right hands. And having owned 104 vehicles in 20 years of driving, i can honestly say that i can not see the boredom level kicking in for the foreseeable future!
Lesson 2: I need to find someone who can really show me how to drive the CGT on a track. Is anyone able to let me have details on who might provide tuition?
Regards.
Thank you all for the practical information you provided me with regarding my original posting on 23rd November 2006. The throttle system really does take over automatically without any right leg action when starting from standstill.
I've stopped using the hand brake and now adopt the brake/clutch system that Flemke suggested. Really easy now.
What i have noticed is that, once i have taken it for a run, then switch off for say 5 minutes, then start again, the clutch/take off is jerky, and so i find my self letting up the clutch until the biting point, it jerks, lift it up a little more and then the auto throttle takes over - but i can not avoid the jerky bit at all? Is this normal? Is it because the engine is warm, and the ECU thinks it doesn't need a lot of throttle? Excuse my basic summising.
I am starting to become more confident with the car, and can start to appreciate and imagine the awesome dynamics to which Flemke referred. A truly capable car in the right hands. And having owned 104 vehicles in 20 years of driving, i can honestly say that i can not see the boredom level kicking in for the foreseeable future!
Lesson 2: I need to find someone who can really show me how to drive the CGT on a track. Is anyone able to let me have details on who might provide tuition?
Regards.
Awesome, Carl. Brilliant to hear that you're so delighted with the CGT, and great to hear that you're going to take the time and effort to master it. I'm more than a little jealous. I'd recommend Bernard Aubrey as a great guy to spend time with. He's not a racer, but a more laid back and patient teacher would be hard to find. Equally, he's got access to Millbrook and Chobham, and is smooth and gifted behind the wheel. He primarily teaches roadcraft, but you're master of your own destiny if you book time with him, so you can spend all your time learning car control if you wish. It might be a useful first step before moving onto someone more dynamic and aggressive. Bernard was for a long time (if he isn't still - it's been a while), the guy Porsche Reading used in-house for Lamborghini and Porsche buyers looking for tuition.
Edit - I spent 2 full days driving with Bernard, and I'd highly recommend it.
Edited by loach on Monday 18th December 12:52
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Seconded...my brother undertook one of Andy Walshes tuition days in his S1 Elise a few years back. On the exit of the area he runs the high speed cornering, there was a drainage channel running the length of that particular piece of tarmac (perpendicular to the approach road). Under ideal circumstances you wouldnt come into contact with it, but of course the whole point is to push past the limit of the car, which often results in high speed spinning, which *can* result in you going over the channel, sometimes backwards...I wouldnt want to submit my suspension to this! I have heard that it's since been filled-in, but havent been back to see first-hand. Generally though, the surface ain't great, loads of rubbishy stones etc.
I've heard Don Palmer is very good....[/quote]
The drainage channel is smooth in comparison to some areas. And makes Bruntingthorpe look like an ironing board...
Seconded...my brother undertook one of Andy Walshes tuition days in his S1 Elise a few years back. On the exit of the area he runs the high speed cornering, there was a drainage channel running the length of that particular piece of tarmac (perpendicular to the approach road). Under ideal circumstances you wouldnt come into contact with it, but of course the whole point is to push past the limit of the car, which often results in high speed spinning, which *can* result in you going over the channel, sometimes backwards...I wouldnt want to submit my suspension to this! I have heard that it's since been filled-in, but havent been back to see first-hand. Generally though, the surface ain't great, loads of rubbishy stones etc.
I've heard Don Palmer is very good....[/quote]
The drainage channel is smooth in comparison to some areas. And makes Bruntingthorpe look like an ironing board...
carl carrera said:
Steve,
I recall some adverse comment about the surface of the North Weald track in the past. Thank you for reminding me. I will still talk with Andy Walsh and ask his opinion also. I suffered £2,500 of paint damage on my Murciealgo when i went to Bruntingthorpe, and so i could do with not repeating this lesson.
Thanks.
Carl.
No problem! For what its worth, during Judgement Day II a beautiful 964RS had its rear wheel arch reshaped in to pliers (it actually looked like the wing had been vacuum formed over the old set of pliers picked up on the tarmac). There was at least two punctures that I know of - one of them had a market stall steel hook in the tyre wall, the other was a large screw.
The channel down the middle of the high speed turn exit looks like it may have been modified if it was nasty before because it wasn't too bad in the summer.
Cheers
Steve
Bruntingthorpe is only bad if your on a trackday with lots of cars together
Carl have a look in the VMAX section and drop a line to Craigw who organises. The next one is in February.
Cars only run 2 at a time and have to stay on their own part of the runway so not likely to get stone chipped.
Plus the bottom corners are so big with so much run off area you can have a play with the car in safety.
Hopefullt Leon S will be taking his new RUF RT12 so would be good to compare those 2 cars.
Carl have a look in the VMAX section and drop a line to Craigw who organises. The next one is in February.
Cars only run 2 at a time and have to stay on their own part of the runway so not likely to get stone chipped.
Plus the bottom corners are so big with so much run off area you can have a play with the car in safety.
Hopefullt Leon S will be taking his new RUF RT12 so would be good to compare those 2 cars.
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