PPL(H) Air Law and Operational Procedures

[simonharrod911]

Is anyone on here sad enough to be 100% confident with ICAO's definitions, specifically where sovereignty and jurastiction are exclusively applicable.

It's making my head hurt.

[Pugsey]

simonharrod911 said:

Is anyone on here sad enough to be 100% confident with ICAO's definitions, specifically where sovereignty and jurastiction are exclusively applicable.

It's making my head hurt.

Oh please don't - just done the exams - what lighthearted fun that was! Have you got a specific query. My asking you this in no way indicates that I'll know the answer!

[ballcock]

It's been 15 years since I've done em but if you post the query , I'm sure some smartarse will make something up that sounds reasonable!!

Seriously though , if you've got specific probs , post em up , and if I can't help , I'll ask around.

[simonharrod911]

Got my first exam on saturday, did a mock this morning with a confuser and incorrectly answered jurastiction instead of sovereignty. Can't even remember the exact question. Head hurting even more now. Did you pass all your exams first time?

[Pugsey]

simonharrod911 said:

Got my first exam on saturday, did a mock this morning with a confuser and incorrectly answered jurastiction instead of sovereignty. Can't even remember the exact question. Head hurting even more now. Did you pass all your exams first time?

Did a full day's ground school then took exam. Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%. You won't have a problem. The ground school, if available to you, is well worth it. It was pretty obvious that the instructor knew what the questions would be and coached us for them. I realised that 90% of what I had self studied was a waste of time exam wise (although all very usefull I'm sure!)Good luck! Human Resources next.

Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 29th November 12:25

[ballcock]

Pugsey said:

simonharrod911 said:

Got my first exam on saturday, did a mock this morning with a confuser and incorrectly answered jurastiction instead of sovereignty. Can't even remember the exact question. Head hurting even more now. Did you pass all your exams first time?

Did a full day's ground school then took exam. Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%. You won't have a problem. The ground school, if available to you, is well worth it. It was pretty obvious that the instructor knew what the questions would be and coached us for them. I realised that 90% of what I had self studied was a waste of time exam wise (although all very usefull I'm sure!)Good luck! Human Resources next.

Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 29th November 12:25

Spot on Pugsy .. IIRC it was the same 15 years ago (for the frozen ATPL's) .. The same kind of questions had a habit of cropping up , if not with every exam , then in some sort of sequence. Find someone who's giving the day course , it'll take a good portion of the stress out for you. Best of luck.

[simonharrod911]

Thanks Ballcock, no specific problem other than reading through the air law book (for the fifth time) thinking "I can't believe anyone knows all this without referencing the ANO/AIP."

Thanks Pugsey, having read the confuser I can see how concentrating on particular areas will get me through it. The exam seems to concentrate on the most important areas for safety.

[Pugsey]

To anyone that doesn't know what we're on about - it's actually even more boring than it sounds! However since the aim to to end up flying a Pitts I'll live with it!

[simonharrod911]

Pugsey said:

To anyone that doesn't know what we're on about - it's actually even more boring than it sounds! However since the aim to to end up flying a Pitts I'll live with it!

Agreed. I'm going through all the hassle and expense with the sole intention of landing a Jet Ranger in my local pub car park.

The producers of Top Gun have a lot to answer for.

[Merritt]

simonharrod911 said:

Is anyone on here sad enough to be 100% confident with ICAO's definitions, specifically where sovereignty and jurastiction are exclusively applicable.

It's making my head hurt.

Visit www.airquiz.com and register for all the modules. Ive just passed my airlaw and about to do the comms. The recent weather has been a fly in the ointment for my flying so have had a lot of chance to revise and do questions etc! Ive had 12 lessons booked this month, 9 cancelled due to weather and 3 actually in the air!

For what its worth, I found the air quiz questions more representative than the confuser questions.

Best of luck,

Steve

[Merritt]

Pugsey said:

Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%

You actually need 75% for a pass

[Pugsey]

Merritt said:

Pugsey said:

Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%

You actually need 75% for a pass

I have a feeling 5% either way may become quite important on the more difficult exams!

[Merritt]

Agreed - especially for the exams with less questions

[simonharrod911]

Merritt said:

Pugsey said:

Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%

You actually need 75% for a pass

Although as it's multiple choice with 4 choices, you incorrect answers have a 25% chance of being correct, so really you need roughly 66.7%.

[Pugsey]

simonharrod911 said:

Merritt said:

Pugsey said:

Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%

You actually need 75% for a pass

Although as it's multiple choice with 4 choices, you incorrect answers have a 25% chance of being correct, so really you need roughly 66.7%.

Pardon?

[Merritt]

simonharrod911 said:

Although as it's multiple choice with 4 choices, you incorrect answers have a 25% chance of being correct, so really you need roughly 66.7%.

Ahh but that doesn't factor in the questions that you thought you knew the answer too but then had the element of doubt put in your mind by one or two of the other options

BTW - if you have the latest copy of the air law PPL book, the definition of Class C airspace (in the table) is incorrect

[Pugsey]

Pugsey said:

simonharrod911 said:

Merritt said:

Pugsey said:

Got 90% which is basically 36 out of 40 correct. You only need 70%

You actually need 75% for a pass

Although as it's multiple choice with 4 choices, you incorrect answers have a 25% chance of being correct, so really you need roughly 66.7%.

Pardon?

In case you weren't joking you do realise that the multiple choice questions are 'tick box'. So your wrong answers (wrong answer ticked)will be wrong. It'll be your guesses that will stand a 25% chance of being right! As Donald recently said - " there are no unknowns but there are things we know we don't know and things we don't know we don't know" - or something like that!

[loach]

simonharrod911 said:

Pugsey said:

To anyone that doesn't know what we're on about - it's actually even more boring than it sounds! However since the aim to to end up flying a Pitts I'll live with it!

Agreed. I'm going through all the hassle and expense with the sole intention of landing a Jet Ranger in my local pub car park.

The producers of Top Gun have a lot to answer for.

The Porsche GT2 doesn't quite do it for them? Must be a nice pub, or should that be Pube (I've added a Frenche 'e' to make it more posh)? In any event, keep your expectations low. I've had buddies sit in with me in a Hughes 500 and the verdict was - "It's all very old-fashioned looking in here, isn't it? Very quaint. Vietnam, you say? Wow - how long ago was that...the 50's?"

[simonharrod911]

loach said:

simonharrod911 said:

Pugsey said:

To anyone that doesn't know what we're on about - it's actually even more boring than it sounds! However since the aim to to end up flying a Pitts I'll live with it!

Agreed. I'm going through all the hassle and expense with the sole intention of landing a Jet Ranger in my local pub car park.

The producers of Top Gun have a lot to answer for.

The Porsche GT2 doesn't quite do it for them? Must be a nice pub, or should that be Pube (I've added a Frenche 'e' to make it more posh)? In any event, keep your expectations low. I've had buddies sit in with me in a Hughes 500 and the verdict was - "It's all very old-fashioned looking in here, isn't it? Very quaint. Vietnam, you say? Wow - how long ago was that...the 50's?"

Anyone failing to be impressed by a Hughes 500 probably doesn't have a heart beat. OR does have a MD 900.

[simonharrod911]

Merritt said:

simonharrod911 said:

Is anyone on here sad enough to be 100% confident with ICAO's definitions, specifically where sovereignty and jurastiction are exclusively applicable.

It's making my head hurt.

Visit www.airquiz.com and register for all the modules. Ive just passed my airlaw and about to do the comms. The recent weather has been a fly in the ointment for my flying so have had a lot of chance to revise and do questions etc! Ive had 12 lessons booked this month, 9 cancelled due to weather and 3 actually in the air!

For what its worth, I found the air quiz questions more representative than the confuser questions.

Best of luck,

Steve

Thanks Steve, that's really useful. 2800 questions??? Is the confuser blurb lying when it says it covers all current examination questions?

Fixed wing aircraft, combined with British weather, combined with instructors who'd rather have a cup of coffee, forced me to helicoptors. Much more fun (:runsforcover.