PORSCHE 997 GT3 RSR MISSED OPPORTUNITY
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I just cannot understand why Porsche have produced the 997 GT3RS road car instead of going the whole way and producing a road version of the awesome looking GT3RSR just revealed .Can you imagine it, 1300kg or so ,3.8 litre ,450bhp , those awesome arches (not witnessed since the 993GT2)
Sorry but the GT3RS looks tame by comparison.Shame.
Sorry but the GT3RS looks tame by comparison.Shame.
flamespitter said:
I just cannot understand why Porsche have produced the 997 GT3RS road car instead of going the whole way and producing a road version of the awesome looking GT3RSR just revealed .Can you imagine it, 1300kg or so ,3.8 litre ,450bhp , those awesome arches (not witnessed since the 993GT2)
Sorry but the GT3RS looks tame by comparison.Shame.
Because Porsche are a profit making organisation..the days of school boy dreams on Porsches are long gone..if it makes money they produce it..just consider what type of customer would have bought a 930 turbo compared to a 997tt..One was a car enthiusiast prepared to suffer failings..one wants the car to be a quick 'bmw ' replica with Porsche badge on it...Sorry but the GT3RS looks tame by comparison.Shame.
Here Here Kayc
Im still not sure whether to buy a 997 GT3 RS ...
I still have a bad taste in my mouth after being shafted on the 996 GT3 RS
" Only 90 cars are coming in to the UK " I think the final amount was circa 140
Now if they produced a road going version of that monster Id be the first person
down the local OPC
As I said before the new 997 is not leaps ahead of the old model
tim
Im still not sure whether to buy a 997 GT3 RS ...
I still have a bad taste in my mouth after being shafted on the 996 GT3 RS
" Only 90 cars are coming in to the UK " I think the final amount was circa 140
Now if they produced a road going version of that monster Id be the first person
down the local OPC
As I said before the new 997 is not leaps ahead of the old model
tim
The RSR is a purpose built racing car. Just like the Aston DBR9 or the C6.R
It's far from road legal and is going to cost what...£250K+
Having said that I think I know exactly what you mean. Why is the road car a 3.6 and the race car a 3.8? The RSR is 200Kg's lighter than the regular road going GT3 whereas the RS is only 20Kg's lighter. RSR gets a sequential box, RS gets a normal manual.
RSR gets Annihilator 2000 sawn off centre exhausts...
...meanwhile the RS gets modest looking boxster grade pipes.
Overal I feel they didn't try hard enough with the RS. Mind you that's probably why the RS is less than half the price of the RSR.
It's far from road legal and is going to cost what...£250K+
Having said that I think I know exactly what you mean. Why is the road car a 3.6 and the race car a 3.8? The RSR is 200Kg's lighter than the regular road going GT3 whereas the RS is only 20Kg's lighter. RSR gets a sequential box, RS gets a normal manual.
RSR gets Annihilator 2000 sawn off centre exhausts...
...meanwhile the RS gets modest looking boxster grade pipes.
Overal I feel they didn't try hard enough with the RS. Mind you that's probably why the RS is less than half the price of the RSR.
Mind you that's probably why the RS is less than half the price of the RSR.[/quote]
Thats the rub. A road going RSR would cost a fortune. On saying that, I'm a little confused that the race car has the 3.8 engine without homologation. That was the reason for the 996RS and - from what I understand the 997RS but that doesn't have the 3.8 engine. Previously, no homologation was required for the AMleams series but this car seems to be running in the FIA GT series which requires homologation. Either way, I would expect a GT3 special with a 3.8 engine to be on offer within a few years. Lets just hope it's not a lardy. It saddens me that, even though the 996 chasis was lighter and stiffer than the 993, the 996RS ended up a heavier car than the 993RS. Great shame, these cars need to be under 1300kg and currently Porsche are struggling to get them under 1400.
Thats the rub. A road going RSR would cost a fortune. On saying that, I'm a little confused that the race car has the 3.8 engine without homologation. That was the reason for the 996RS and - from what I understand the 997RS but that doesn't have the 3.8 engine. Previously, no homologation was required for the AMleams series but this car seems to be running in the FIA GT series which requires homologation. Either way, I would expect a GT3 special with a 3.8 engine to be on offer within a few years. Lets just hope it's not a lardy. It saddens me that, even though the 996 chasis was lighter and stiffer than the 993, the 996RS ended up a heavier car than the 993RS. Great shame, these cars need to be under 1300kg and currently Porsche are struggling to get them under 1400.
johnfm said:
flemke said:
johnfm said:
I expect you'll be able to buy the RSR from Olaf in a couple of years time.
Road car? How would that work?
I don't know, but I don' tthink it bothers flamespitter too much, if you've seen his other cars!!!
The point I was trying to make (obviously badly) was that this was a missed opportunity to produce a road going version of the GT3 RSR instead of the GT3 RS.
I think there is a bit of a demarcation problem at present between the 997 GT3 and 997GT3RS.This would have been removed if the RS had been passed over in favour of a GT3RSR road car.The latter would have had the look of the race car, possibly the 3.8 litre engine, and the rest of the track set up afforded to the 997 GT3RS.
The desire for such a car hurts!!Wake up Porsche!
Back to the harsh reality...... the 997 GT3RS will be sold in the states as they can get certification on it,,,,that would never happen on an RSR,,, even a look a like with the seats etc......so the 997 Gt3RS is no more than a dressed up range topping showpiece and thay will sell as many as they are prepared to make.
clubsport said:
Back to the harsh reality...... the 997 GT3RS will be sold in the states as they can get certification on it,,,,that would never happen on an RSR,,, even a look a like with the seats etc......so the 997 Gt3RS is no more than a dressed up range topping showpiece and thay will sell as many as they are prepared to make.
I recently read a thread on a US site where the writer was hoping for a sunroof option on the 997RS.
Says it all really....
997 GT3 and RS order guide for the USA is here:
[url]http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums[/url]
997 GT3 RS is available there. Sunroof IS an option on the GT3, but not on the RS.
Guy
Porsches Press release for the first outing of the 997GT3 RSR
Spa 24 Hours, qualifying: Works driver Marc Lieb fastest in class with the
new 911 GT3 RSR
Stuttgart. The first race weekend ever for the new 911 GT3 RSR began with a
fastest time. At the wheel of the Porsche with starting number 111, factory
driver Marc Lieb (Germany) turned the best lap out of all near-standard
Gran Turismo racing vehicles during qualifying for the 24 hour race on the
6.9 kilometre circuit of Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium.
Lieb's time of 2m21.420s places him twelfth overall on the grid. Works
pilot Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted a time six-tenths of a second slower than
Lieb in the second GT3 RSR with starting number 197. With this, the two
brand new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR cars take up the 24 hour marathon on Sunday
ahead of all other slightly modified, near-standard racing cars which
compete in the GT2, GT3, G2 and G3 categories.
At the first outing of the racing vehicle - which was developed based on
the high-performance 911 GT3 RS (type 997) road going sportscar - Porsche
co-operates with the Manthey Racing team from Germany. The Spa 24 Hours
serves as an important test under race conditions. The new racing sportscar
will be available for motorsport customers in 2007 and aims to continue the
success streak of its predecessors.
The 24 hour race, which is also the fourth round of the FIA GT
Championship, gets underway on Saturday at 16.00 hours. In the cockpit of
the Porsche with starting number 111 are Timo Bernhard (Germany), Pedro
Lamy (Portugal) and Marc Lieb. The 911 GT3 RSR with the starting number 197
is manned by Lucas Luhr (Monaco), Sascha Maassen (Belgium) and Marcel
Tiemann (Monaco).
Marc Lieb (fastest time in Group 2): "The new 911 GT3 RSR represents a huge
step forward, as you can see with our lap times. It is even more of a
thoroughbred racer than its predecessor. Through the further improvements
to the aerodynamics and the wider tyres we are considerably quicker in the
entrances to the corners through to the apex than we were in the 996-based
RSR. I think this race should allow us to make huge advances in our
development work.”
Spa 24 Hours, qualifying: Works driver Marc Lieb fastest in class with the
new 911 GT3 RSR
Stuttgart. The first race weekend ever for the new 911 GT3 RSR began with a
fastest time. At the wheel of the Porsche with starting number 111, factory
driver Marc Lieb (Germany) turned the best lap out of all near-standard
Gran Turismo racing vehicles during qualifying for the 24 hour race on the
6.9 kilometre circuit of Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium.
Lieb's time of 2m21.420s places him twelfth overall on the grid. Works
pilot Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted a time six-tenths of a second slower than
Lieb in the second GT3 RSR with starting number 197. With this, the two
brand new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR cars take up the 24 hour marathon on Sunday
ahead of all other slightly modified, near-standard racing cars which
compete in the GT2, GT3, G2 and G3 categories.
At the first outing of the racing vehicle - which was developed based on
the high-performance 911 GT3 RS (type 997) road going sportscar - Porsche
co-operates with the Manthey Racing team from Germany. The Spa 24 Hours
serves as an important test under race conditions. The new racing sportscar
will be available for motorsport customers in 2007 and aims to continue the
success streak of its predecessors.
The 24 hour race, which is also the fourth round of the FIA GT
Championship, gets underway on Saturday at 16.00 hours. In the cockpit of
the Porsche with starting number 111 are Timo Bernhard (Germany), Pedro
Lamy (Portugal) and Marc Lieb. The 911 GT3 RSR with the starting number 197
is manned by Lucas Luhr (Monaco), Sascha Maassen (Belgium) and Marcel
Tiemann (Monaco).
Marc Lieb (fastest time in Group 2): "The new 911 GT3 RSR represents a huge
step forward, as you can see with our lap times. It is even more of a
thoroughbred racer than its predecessor. Through the further improvements
to the aerodynamics and the wider tyres we are considerably quicker in the
entrances to the corners through to the apex than we were in the 996-based
RSR. I think this race should allow us to make huge advances in our
development work.”
I have to agree with Steve that unneccessary mass is the enemy of agility.
Which Driver really needs all these gadgets and gizmos that would give the one-up "I've got the latest bore factor technomax super 4.2 GT3 lardwaggon" any lasting driver satisfaction whatsoever ?
Apology first. If you want that buy a Maybach.
I might have said Veyron, but tht seems to be becoming a very fine car. Despite the Mass. Which is, astonishing.
Which Driver really needs all these gadgets and gizmos that would give the one-up "I've got the latest bore factor technomax super 4.2 GT3 lardwaggon" any lasting driver satisfaction whatsoever ?
Apology first. If you want that buy a Maybach.
I might have said Veyron, but tht seems to be becoming a very fine car. Despite the Mass. Which is, astonishing.
porsche.com said:
Motorsport News, Spa 24 hour race, Race report
The new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR passes extreme 24 hour test
Success at the first test race of the new 911 GT3 RSR. Over the entire distance of the 24 hour race in Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium) the Porsches with starting numbers 111 and 197 proved to be exceedingly competitive in the category for slightly modified, near-standard racing cars. Already in qualifying, factory driver Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted the fastest time in this vehicle category.
Over the course of the race, both Porsches with drivers Marc Lieb/Timo Bernhard (both Germany) and Pedro Lamy (Portugal) as well as Lucas Luhr/Sascha Maassen (Belgium) each advanced into the top ten of the overall rankings, in which considerably more powerful GT1 vehicles, as dictated by the regulations, led the field.
Right up until half distance the #197 Porsche (Luhr/Maassen/Tiemann) ran at the front of its class, only handing the lead to the sister-car after underbody damage destroyed a radiator pipe forcing the Porsche to pit for repairs. Around one hour prior, Pedro Lamy had pulled into the Porsche pits after an accident. During repairs to the front panelling, radiator and underbody, the #111 Porsche lost just two positions in the overall rankings.
Three hours before the flag, Luhr, Maassen and Tiemann received a new right-rear upright due to a jammed wheel-nut and continued on to cross the finish in 14th. Lieb, Bernhard and Lamy, who were running tenth at this time, drove into the Porsche pits with a defect gearbox. After a gearbox change, the trio finished 15th overall. At the same time, this result means positions one and two in the so-called Group 2 for near-standard production vehicles which competed in four classes.
Head of Porsche motorsport, Hartmut Kristen, concluded: "A top ten result would have been possible and wonderful for our new car. But after just four and a half months of development time we selected this tough race to see where we stood. Because only a race with all its uncertainties, with the time pressure and with competitors can show how good the car really is. From the lap times both cars were competitive concerning the ease of servicing. We learned a lot about small details. We are clearly on the right track and we will improve further, amongst other things with a new gearbox. Before the homologation of the vehicle in January everything we learned here at Spa will contribute to the further development of the car - and also to our customer vehicles for 2007. I would like to thank the entire team for their tremendous effort.”
The new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR passes extreme 24 hour test
Success at the first test race of the new 911 GT3 RSR. Over the entire distance of the 24 hour race in Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium) the Porsches with starting numbers 111 and 197 proved to be exceedingly competitive in the category for slightly modified, near-standard racing cars. Already in qualifying, factory driver Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted the fastest time in this vehicle category.
Over the course of the race, both Porsches with drivers Marc Lieb/Timo Bernhard (both Germany) and Pedro Lamy (Portugal) as well as Lucas Luhr/Sascha Maassen (Belgium) each advanced into the top ten of the overall rankings, in which considerably more powerful GT1 vehicles, as dictated by the regulations, led the field.
Right up until half distance the #197 Porsche (Luhr/Maassen/Tiemann) ran at the front of its class, only handing the lead to the sister-car after underbody damage destroyed a radiator pipe forcing the Porsche to pit for repairs. Around one hour prior, Pedro Lamy had pulled into the Porsche pits after an accident. During repairs to the front panelling, radiator and underbody, the #111 Porsche lost just two positions in the overall rankings.
Three hours before the flag, Luhr, Maassen and Tiemann received a new right-rear upright due to a jammed wheel-nut and continued on to cross the finish in 14th. Lieb, Bernhard and Lamy, who were running tenth at this time, drove into the Porsche pits with a defect gearbox. After a gearbox change, the trio finished 15th overall. At the same time, this result means positions one and two in the so-called Group 2 for near-standard production vehicles which competed in four classes.
Head of Porsche motorsport, Hartmut Kristen, concluded: "A top ten result would have been possible and wonderful for our new car. But after just four and a half months of development time we selected this tough race to see where we stood. Because only a race with all its uncertainties, with the time pressure and with competitors can show how good the car really is. From the lap times both cars were competitive concerning the ease of servicing. We learned a lot about small details. We are clearly on the right track and we will improve further, amongst other things with a new gearbox. Before the homologation of the vehicle in January everything we learned here at Spa will contribute to the further development of the car - and also to our customer vehicles for 2007. I would like to thank the entire team for their tremendous effort.”
Joe911 said:
porsche.com said:
Motorsport News, Spa 24 hour race, Race report
The new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR passes extreme 24 hour test
Success at the first test race of the new 911 GT3 RSR. Over the entire distance of the 24 hour race in Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium) the Porsches with starting numbers 111 and 197 proved to be exceedingly competitive in the category for slightly modified, near-standard racing cars. Already in qualifying, factory driver Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted the fastest time in this vehicle category.
Over the course of the race, both Porsches with drivers Marc Lieb/Timo Bernhard (both Germany) and Pedro Lamy (Portugal) as well as Lucas Luhr/Sascha Maassen (Belgium) each advanced into the top ten of the overall rankings, in which considerably more powerful GT1 vehicles, as dictated by the regulations, led the field.
Right up until half distance the #197 Porsche (Luhr/Maassen/Tiemann) ran at the front of its class, only handing the lead to the sister-car after underbody damage destroyed a radiator pipe forcing the Porsche to pit for repairs. Around one hour prior, Pedro Lamy had pulled into the Porsche pits after an accident. During repairs to the front panelling, radiator and underbody, the #111 Porsche lost just two positions in the overall rankings.
Three hours before the flag, Luhr, Maassen and Tiemann received a new right-rear upright due to a jammed wheel-nut and continued on to cross the finish in 14th. Lieb, Bernhard and Lamy, who were running tenth at this time, drove into the Porsche pits with a defect gearbox. After a gearbox change, the trio finished 15th overall. At the same time, this result means positions one and two in the so-called Group 2 for near-standard production vehicles which competed in four classes.
Head of Porsche motorsport, Hartmut Kristen, concluded: "A top ten result would have been possible and wonderful for our new car. But after just four and a half months of development time we selected this tough race to see where we stood. Because only a race with all its uncertainties, with the time pressure and with competitors can show how good the car really is. From the lap times both cars were competitive concerning the ease of servicing. We learned a lot about small details. We are clearly on the right track and we will improve further, amongst other things with a new gearbox. Before the homologation of the vehicle in January everything we learned here at Spa will contribute to the further development of the car - and also to our customer vehicles for 2007. I would like to thank the entire team for their tremendous effort.”
The new Porsche 911 GT3 RSR passes extreme 24 hour test
Success at the first test race of the new 911 GT3 RSR. Over the entire distance of the 24 hour race in Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium) the Porsches with starting numbers 111 and 197 proved to be exceedingly competitive in the category for slightly modified, near-standard racing cars. Already in qualifying, factory driver Lucas Luhr (Monaco) posted the fastest time in this vehicle category.
Over the course of the race, both Porsches with drivers Marc Lieb/Timo Bernhard (both Germany) and Pedro Lamy (Portugal) as well as Lucas Luhr/Sascha Maassen (Belgium) each advanced into the top ten of the overall rankings, in which considerably more powerful GT1 vehicles, as dictated by the regulations, led the field.
Right up until half distance the #197 Porsche (Luhr/Maassen/Tiemann) ran at the front of its class, only handing the lead to the sister-car after underbody damage destroyed a radiator pipe forcing the Porsche to pit for repairs. Around one hour prior, Pedro Lamy had pulled into the Porsche pits after an accident. During repairs to the front panelling, radiator and underbody, the #111 Porsche lost just two positions in the overall rankings.
Three hours before the flag, Luhr, Maassen and Tiemann received a new right-rear upright due to a jammed wheel-nut and continued on to cross the finish in 14th. Lieb, Bernhard and Lamy, who were running tenth at this time, drove into the Porsche pits with a defect gearbox. After a gearbox change, the trio finished 15th overall. At the same time, this result means positions one and two in the so-called Group 2 for near-standard production vehicles which competed in four classes.
Head of Porsche motorsport, Hartmut Kristen, concluded: "A top ten result would have been possible and wonderful for our new car. But after just four and a half months of development time we selected this tough race to see where we stood. Because only a race with all its uncertainties, with the time pressure and with competitors can show how good the car really is. From the lap times both cars were competitive concerning the ease of servicing. We learned a lot about small details. We are clearly on the right track and we will improve further, amongst other things with a new gearbox. Before the homologation of the vehicle in January everything we learned here at Spa will contribute to the further development of the car - and also to our customer vehicles for 2007. I would like to thank the entire team for their tremendous effort.”
what they didn't say was that the cars were beaten by the 996RSR.... OOps..
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