New Tyres - MPS4S or SportContact 7?
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It's time for new tyres on my 981.
The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S has been the go-to choice since 2017, but the Continental SportContact 7 is a much newer release and seems to outperform the MPS4S in most areas - plus, it’s a bit cheaper.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Compare/SportContact-7...
Has anyone here tried the SportContact 7s yet?
Bonus question: are N-rated tyres still required to maintain the Porsche warranty?
The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S has been the go-to choice since 2017, but the Continental SportContact 7 is a much newer release and seems to outperform the MPS4S in most areas - plus, it’s a bit cheaper.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Compare/SportContact-7...
Has anyone here tried the SportContact 7s yet?
Bonus question: are N-rated tyres still required to maintain the Porsche warranty?
bennno said:
The mps4s appears to be quieter, more efficient and better in the wet. So if it s n rated why not stick with it.
Porsche oddly demand n rated tyres when doing a warranty inspection. I can t understand why.
That is no longer the case. N spec tyres not required for warranty or warranty renewal now. Porsche oddly demand n rated tyres when doing a warranty inspection. I can t understand why.
I have not tried the N rated PS4S, but the non N rated version I thought were pants.
They feel wooly, the steering is just off, the car loses that razor sharp turn in that makes it such fun to drive.
I moved the Bridgestone Potenza Sports, I was told that the steering feel comes back, which is does (90% anyway) and the rears are not as firm and noisy as the Conti Sport 7. The nosie seems fine to me. Also the Bridgestones are fabulous in the wet, which is the one area where the PS4S was very good.
But, like I said, I have not tried the N Rated PS4S, which do have a different compound, so I would only go N Rated if I was going to try the Michelin tyre.
They feel wooly, the steering is just off, the car loses that razor sharp turn in that makes it such fun to drive.
I moved the Bridgestone Potenza Sports, I was told that the steering feel comes back, which is does (90% anyway) and the rears are not as firm and noisy as the Conti Sport 7. The nosie seems fine to me. Also the Bridgestones are fabulous in the wet, which is the one area where the PS4S was very good.
But, like I said, I have not tried the N Rated PS4S, which do have a different compound, so I would only go N Rated if I was going to try the Michelin tyre.
Thanks for the replies so far.
I've had multiple sets of PS4S and while I don't have a problem with them as such, they are older and more expensive than the SportContact 7.
Not really bothered about longetivity or ride comfort. Will post an update on how I get on.
I have heard a few people say this, but have yet to find anything official from Porsche.
Do you have a sourcce for this?
I've had multiple sets of PS4S and while I don't have a problem with them as such, they are older and more expensive than the SportContact 7.
Not really bothered about longetivity or ride comfort. Will post an update on how I get on.
jackwood said:
bennno said:
The mps4s appears to be quieter, more efficient and better in the wet. So if it s n rated why not stick with it.
Porsche oddly demand n rated tyres when doing a warranty inspection. I can t understand why.
That is no longer the case. N spec tyres not required for warranty or warranty renewal now. Porsche oddly demand n rated tyres when doing a warranty inspection. I can t understand why.
Do you have a sourcce for this?
SkinnyPete said:
I have heard a few people say this, but have yet to find anything official from Porsche.
Do you have a sourcce for this?
I've used the SC7 and rate them over the MPS4S. Found them to have better turn in and more feedback. Road noise difference was about the same and they were maybe a bit stiffer than the MPS4S but neglible really. I haven't tried the 5S yet but I guess it is probably better than the 4. Wear was slightly worse on the SC7 but they saw more abuse, make of that what you will! Do you have a sourcce for this?
I tend to buy my tyres from Costco and last year had a new set of PS4s put on the back of the Boxster. When I turned up at my local branch the fitter went to check that the tyres I'd ordered were N rated as he said they won't fit non N rated to a Porsche if it's still under warranty, which mine was.
Apparently they've had a couple of instances of customers returning to get the tyres changed because the no N rated tyres they'd had fitted voided the warranty. I assume this was for the extended warranty but didn't enquire further since I'd already avoided that scenario.
Apparently they've had a couple of instances of customers returning to get the tyres changed because the no N rated tyres they'd had fitted voided the warranty. I assume this was for the extended warranty but didn't enquire further since I'd already avoided that scenario.
Just put a set of PS4S on my 981 after all the hype, but I’m frankly a little underwhelmed.
I think the outright grip is very good, and in the wet they’re better than my P-Zero (N1), but as someone else mentioned, the turn-in is nowhere near as sharp.
As Cayman handling is all about the first half of a corner, I definitely feel like I have sold the car short.
I’ll get a new geo done which may help to a degree, but I personally wouldn’t recommend them.
I think the outright grip is very good, and in the wet they’re better than my P-Zero (N1), but as someone else mentioned, the turn-in is nowhere near as sharp.
As Cayman handling is all about the first half of a corner, I definitely feel like I have sold the car short.
I’ll get a new geo done which may help to a degree, but I personally wouldn’t recommend them.
Royal Jelly said:
Just put a set of PS4S on my 981 after all the hype, but I m frankly a little underwhelmed.
I think the outright grip is very good, and in the wet they re better than my P-Zero (N1), but as someone else mentioned, the turn-in is nowhere near as sharp.
As Cayman handling is all about the first half of a corner, I definitely feel like I have sold the car short.
I ll get a new geo done which may help to a degree, but I personally wouldn t recommend them.
Don't bother getting another geo done, the steering feel on the Michelins is just rubbish and no amount of geo can dial it out. I think the outright grip is very good, and in the wet they re better than my P-Zero (N1), but as someone else mentioned, the turn-in is nowhere near as sharp.
As Cayman handling is all about the first half of a corner, I definitely feel like I have sold the car short.
I ll get a new geo done which may help to a degree, but I personally wouldn t recommend them.
Well, by the time it does the car just feels like it is on ice. (Being a bit extreme here, but hope you get what I am getting at?).
These are sports cars, they have amazing mechanical grip no matter what tyre (if we are sticking with the main players) and I simply don't get why so many people praise the PS4S tyres in Porsches.
The loss in steering feel, that razor sharp off centre turn in is completely gone. Sure they may last a bit longer, they may corner at 3.2G instead of 3.1G, but the car now feels more like a Golf or something.
I dumped mine after 1000 miles, considering I am paying £700 a year in road tax, £600 in insurance, £80 every fortnight in fuel, I just decided to bit the bullet and swap them out.
To be fair I got £450 for them used and think I paid around £620 new, so it wasn't that bad.
But I just didn't want 2 years of the car feeling so numb when it had felt so good up until then.
Interesting take.
I’ve never really had any complaints about the MPS4S - they were a massive step up from the Goodyears and Pirellis I had before so I was grateful for that. If I had to nitpick, I’d say they need a bit of heat before they really come alive, but that’s to be expected given they’re more of an occasional-use track tyre anyway.
I'll report back how I get on with the SportContact7s'.
I’ve never really had any complaints about the MPS4S - they were a massive step up from the Goodyears and Pirellis I had before so I was grateful for that. If I had to nitpick, I’d say they need a bit of heat before they really come alive, but that’s to be expected given they’re more of an occasional-use track tyre anyway.
I'll report back how I get on with the SportContact7s'.
SkinnyPete said:
I have heard a few people say this, but have yet to find anything official from Porsche.
Do you have a sourcce for this?
Do you have a sourcce for this?
I've been running SC7 for over a year / about 6k miles on my 718 GTS and they're way better than the P Zero which were fitted before. I had PS4S on my previous car so not apples for apples comparison with those but i'm very happy with the SC7 and would get them again. I'm in Scotland so the better wet handling of the SC7 was a big consideration.
jeebsy said:
SkinnyPete said:
I have heard a few people say this, but have yet to find anything official from Porsche.
Do you have a sourcce for this?
Do you have a sourcce for this?
I've been running SC7 for over a year / about 6k miles on my 718 GTS and they're way better than the P Zero which were fitted before. I had PS4S on my previous car so not apples for apples comparison with those but i'm very happy with the SC7 and would get them again. I'm in Scotland so the better wet handling of the SC7 was a big consideration.
My 718 GTS 4.0 came from the factory on the Pirellis and I've nearly worn them out now after 9,000 miles.. I think they are OK in the dry but don't fully trust them in the wet, and I find that they don't provide all that much feel and feedback.
On my other cars (E90 M3 and GR Yaris) I had been running PS4S on them for about 15,000 miles (just the generic version of the tyre) and thought they suited both cars very well. The M3 had previously been on Conti SC5P and then SC6 as I hadn't got on with the Pilot Sport 2 tyres that it originally came on.
Both these cars now have SC7s on them and I think they have slightly more feel than the PS4S and slightly less grip, but the transition from grip to slip is well-telegraphed. This makes the Yaris a bit more fun (especially with the differential set to Sport, being 30% to the front and 70% to the rear) but perhaps not ultimately as fast. I don't tend to corner the M3 as hard as I do with the other two cars, so the slight improvement in feel is helpful and useful.
The SC7s were about £200 cheaper than the PS4S for a full set on each car, which was not to be sniffed at. I'm happy with them.
I'll still probably go with Michelins on the 718 because I really got on with them on my previous Caymans. But we'll see!
On my other cars (E90 M3 and GR Yaris) I had been running PS4S on them for about 15,000 miles (just the generic version of the tyre) and thought they suited both cars very well. The M3 had previously been on Conti SC5P and then SC6 as I hadn't got on with the Pilot Sport 2 tyres that it originally came on.
Both these cars now have SC7s on them and I think they have slightly more feel than the PS4S and slightly less grip, but the transition from grip to slip is well-telegraphed. This makes the Yaris a bit more fun (especially with the differential set to Sport, being 30% to the front and 70% to the rear) but perhaps not ultimately as fast. I don't tend to corner the M3 as hard as I do with the other two cars, so the slight improvement in feel is helpful and useful.
The SC7s were about £200 cheaper than the PS4S for a full set on each car, which was not to be sniffed at. I'm happy with them.
I'll still probably go with Michelins on the 718 because I really got on with them on my previous Caymans. But we'll see!
I'd agree with the general sentiment expressed in this thread that the Michelin PS4s whilst having great ultimate grip dulls the steering, and that's in comparison to the P Zero's mine came on (718 GTS 4.0).
Wear is impressive. Pirelli's lasted 7800 miles, Michelin's looking to be 11-12000.
I'll be putting SC7's on in a couple of months.
The Pilot Sport S5 is meant to address the issue above, but isn't available in the correct sizes yet, and probably won't be until at least next year.
Wear is impressive. Pirelli's lasted 7800 miles, Michelin's looking to be 11-12000.
I'll be putting SC7's on in a couple of months.
The Pilot Sport S5 is meant to address the issue above, but isn't available in the correct sizes yet, and probably won't be until at least next year.
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