how do opc's prove what car was sold for on sor??
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Presumably you agree a bottom price with the dealer beforehand or they contact the owner to say they've had an offer.
Or are you saying the dealer claims to have been offered a price that is actually lower than they sell it for but the owner doesn't know? Either way the price teh owner will accept should be agreed beforehand.
Or are you saying the dealer claims to have been offered a price that is actually lower than they sell it for but the owner doesn't know? Either way the price teh owner will accept should be agreed beforehand.
Armitage.Shanks said:
Presumably you agree a bottom price with the dealer beforehand or they contact the owner to say they've had an offer.
Or are you saying the dealer claims to have been offered a price that is actually lower than they sell it for but the owner doesn't know? Either way the price teh owner will accept should be agreed beforehand.
yes in the murky world of opc's its not beyond the realms of imagination that they get 100k for the car yet tell the customer theyve got 95k!Or are you saying the dealer claims to have been offered a price that is actually lower than they sell it for but the owner doesn't know? Either way the price teh owner will accept should be agreed beforehand.
I think it would be dangerous for them to fib, the V5 used to include the address of the previous owner but if a car is fairly specialist then it will materialise somewhere, particularly if it is a track focussed car ??
Doesn't the service handbook often have the first owners details in it ? I would always prefer to know who owned a car before me and particularly the history of a car, but I guess that GDPR is being made as an excuse not to pass information on ....
By comparison I have a 1988 3.2CS with every stick of paperwork that it has required in the last 34 years and when I sell my GT4 it will go with the same from its 8+ years ...
Doesn't the service handbook often have the first owners details in it ? I would always prefer to know who owned a car before me and particularly the history of a car, but I guess that GDPR is being made as an excuse not to pass information on ....
By comparison I have a 1988 3.2CS with every stick of paperwork that it has required in the last 34 years and when I sell my GT4 it will go with the same from its 8+ years ...
Sidsw said:
how do opc's prove to customers what a car sold for?
for example if car is on sor at £100k and dealer says they want £5K fee but then turns around and says it sold for £95k how do you get proof of what it actually sold for?
I guess if the OPC wants to fib then actually quite difficult to find out. for example if car is on sor at £100k and dealer says they want £5K fee but then turns around and says it sold for £95k how do you get proof of what it actually sold for?
But would be a brave or stupid dealer to do so in case found out.
ChrisW. said:
I think it would be dangerous for them to fib, the V5 used to include the address of the previous owner but if a car is fairly specialist then it will materialise somewhere, particularly if it is a track focussed car ??
Doesn't the service handbook often have the first owners details in it ? I would always prefer to know who owned a car before me and particularly the history of a car, but I guess that GDPR is being made as an excuse not to pass information on ....
By comparison I have a 1988 3.2CS with every stick of paperwork that it has required in the last 34 years and when I sell my GT4 it will go with the same from its 8+ years ...
Not sure how your first 2 paragraphs would allow the existing owner to know whether or not the dealer had fibbed ?Doesn't the service handbook often have the first owners details in it ? I would always prefer to know who owned a car before me and particularly the history of a car, but I guess that GDPR is being made as an excuse not to pass information on ....
By comparison I have a 1988 3.2CS with every stick of paperwork that it has required in the last 34 years and when I sell my GT4 it will go with the same from its 8+ years ...
Hopefully if you ever sell your 3.2 via a dealer they won’t quote GDPR at you to avoid not passing those 34 years of history.
When I sold my GT3 ( had owned from new ) from 9 years ownership ,the place I sold it via SOR was delighted with the history / provenance to pass on.
For that reason I would give instructions with the car as a part of the sale agreement. The dealer has nothing to lose and the car and future owner have everything to gain.
As far as the V5 contact detail is concerned ... I as the new owner would always try to contact the previous owner, but this isn't on the green slip which is used to re-tax the car. Hence I have in the past also asked for a copy of the full V5 from which the green slip is taken (it proves the full details of the car) which individual sales people are often quite happy with ... did that with an ex-press BMW M4CS etc.
As far as the V5 contact detail is concerned ... I as the new owner would always try to contact the previous owner, but this isn't on the green slip which is used to re-tax the car. Hence I have in the past also asked for a copy of the full V5 from which the green slip is taken (it proves the full details of the car) which individual sales people are often quite happy with ... did that with an ex-press BMW M4CS etc.
Sidsw said:
how do opc's prove to customers what a car sold for?
for example if car is on sor at £100k and dealer says they want £5K fee but then turns around and says it sold for £95k how do you get proof of what it actually sold for?
Could you simply ask them to show you the sales invoice ?? for example if car is on sor at £100k and dealer says they want £5K fee but then turns around and says it sold for £95k how do you get proof of what it actually sold for?
ChrisW. said:
For that reason I would give instructions with the car as a part of the sale agreement. The dealer has nothing to lose and the car and future owner have everything to gain.
As far as the V5 contact detail is concerned ... I as the new owner would always try to contact the previous owner, but this isn't on the green slip which is used to re-tax the car. Hence I have in the past also asked for a copy of the full V5 from which the green slip is taken (it proves the full details of the car) which individual sales people are often quite happy with ... did that with an ex-press BMW M4CS etc.
Yes I had absolutely no issue with any of the paperwork showing my name and address with that car and any others I have sold. As far as the V5 contact detail is concerned ... I as the new owner would always try to contact the previous owner, but this isn't on the green slip which is used to re-tax the car. Hence I have in the past also asked for a copy of the full V5 from which the green slip is taken (it proves the full details of the car) which individual sales people are often quite happy with ... did that with an ex-press BMW M4CS etc.
As it happens the GT3 went to a collector who clearly wanted to remain anonymous !
There is the famous story of the 997 GT3RS 4.0 sold by OPC Bolton.
A person when placing his deposit was told that they were first on the list. When the car arrived it was sold to somebody else. The person discovered this and took the OPC to court ... and Porsche were persuaded to manufacture an extra car.
I had heard the story, but met the person at Croft on a Porsche track day. He was prepared to spend what it cost to have his day in court and the OPC Bolton had to plead with Porsche to get them off the hook ...
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A person when placing his deposit was told that they were first on the list. When the car arrived it was sold to somebody else. The person discovered this and took the OPC to court ... and Porsche were persuaded to manufacture an extra car.
I had heard the story, but met the person at Croft on a Porsche track day. He was prepared to spend what it cost to have his day in court and the OPC Bolton had to plead with Porsche to get them off the hook ...
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