New GT3 Paddle or manual ?
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Alternatively you could make the decision based on what YOU actually want, rather than what others think/are speccing ....
(I genuinely hope that doesn't come across as being rude or offensive, as it's not intended as such) but I really struggle with threads such as the other one alluded to. Either you want a manual or you don't. Ditto flappy paddles. Seems a pretty straightforward decision making process. Unless there's something I'm missing .. ?? 
(I genuinely hope that doesn't come across as being rude or offensive, as it's not intended as such) but I really struggle with threads such as the other one alluded to. Either you want a manual or you don't. Ditto flappy paddles. Seems a pretty straightforward decision making process. Unless there's something I'm missing .. ?? No offence taken.It was a genuine question for the reasons stated ie review of the R or the opinion of the engine suits the paddleshift.
I personally would go manual as i have dog leg sequential paddleshift already covered and enjoy all of them for different reasons.If on the other hand there was a genuine opinion from people who really knew what they were talking about that the manual box really was not suitable then maybe i would think again but after the R reviews this seems unlikely.
I personally would go manual as i have dog leg sequential paddleshift already covered and enjoy all of them for different reasons.If on the other hand there was a genuine opinion from people who really knew what they were talking about that the manual box really was not suitable then maybe i would think again but after the R reviews this seems unlikely.
Slippydiff said:
Alternatively you could make the decision based on what YOU actually want, rather than what others think/are speccing ....
(I genuinely hope that doesn't come across as being rude or offensive, as it's not intended as such) but I really struggle with threads such as the other one alluded to. Either you want a manual or you don't. Ditto flappy paddles. Seems a pretty straightforward decision making process. Unless there's something I'm missing .. ??
Normally I would agree - get what you like the most - but in terms of the GT3, isn't it unlikely that the OP would be able try try both before placing an order, so discussing it is a sensible thing. (I bought the manual S3 as I thought it would add to the car, but then driving the DSG I realised that actually suited the car a little better - too late, then). (I genuinely hope that doesn't come across as being rude or offensive, as it's not intended as such) but I really struggle with threads such as the other one alluded to. Either you want a manual or you don't. Ditto flappy paddles. Seems a pretty straightforward decision making process. Unless there's something I'm missing .. ?? I don't thing depreciation/appreciation will change from one to the other...maybe! Ha ha.
If it was me PDK every time. Faster car, faster changes, easier to drive around town, more precise braking (for me at least), bullet proof etc etc.
Its clear that Porsche are chopping and changing their minds with gearboxes. I was told the GT4.2 will be optional PDK!
I also suspect we will see manual gearboxes for a long time to come on the GT cars so trying to get that "last" manual GT3 is probably never going to happen.
Its clear that Porsche are chopping and changing their minds with gearboxes. I was told the GT4.2 will be optional PDK!
I also suspect we will see manual gearboxes for a long time to come on the GT cars so trying to get that "last" manual GT3 is probably never going to happen.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If I had to guess (and it just a guestimate) I would say that the manual will be more popular and will hold its money better.
Outside of Pistonheads manual is becoming a smaller market. You could argue in 20 yrs time the manual GT3 might be rarer so *might* be a little more sought after - if Porsche don't continue with a manual box in the next 911 GT3, but short term and in the real world I strongly think the PDK-S will be the more popular box. I was speaking with someone who sells these cars long before the 991.2 GT3 was officially announced and he said similar. To me the PDK-S is one of if not the best, fastest and most engaging auto-gear changing boxes out there. It's what put the GT3 into 458 territory. The 996/7 GT3 which does away with RWS and all the other tech-features of the 991.2 will be the manual to have if we are talking "money". Porsche building less manual 991.2 GT3's than PDK-S cars is probably a good indication of desirability / want. Phooey said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If I had to guess (and it just a guestimate) I would say that the manual will be more popular and will hold its money better.
Outside of Pistonheads manual is becoming a smaller market. You could argue in 20 yrs time the manual GT3 might be rarer so *might* be a little more sought after - if Porsche don't continue with a manual box in the next 911 GT3, but short term and in the real world I strongly think the PDK-S will be the more popular box. I was speaking with someone who sells these cars long before the 991.2 GT3 was officially announced and he said similar. To me the PDK-S is one of if not the best, fastest and most engaging auto-gear changing boxes out there. It's what put the GT3 into 458 territory. The 996/7 GT3 which does away with RWS and all the other tech-features of the 991.2 will be the manual to have if we are talking "money". Porsche building less manual 991.2 GT3's than PDK-S cars is probably a good indication of desirability / want. I am not sure you are right about Porsche building less manual cars as a sign of desirability...someone wrote on here they're constrained by manufacturing capacity for the manual and there are finite allocations available with the manual box.
My OPC has a lot more people wanting manual cars than PDK's. Porsche are expecting overall the split to be 60/40 in favour of PDK but some markets will take more manual cars...I think the US is expected to be one of those.
RDMcG said:
I have a 7.1 RS and 991RS. So one of each. I will add one more but wait for the 992RS. It will definitely be PDK. I have grown to love PDK and still enjoy the analogue experience of my old 7.1 with its hydraulic steering ,6 speed, and no stability control
Agree. I have a 991 GT3 RS and a 4.0 and whilst the 4.0 is the purer driving experience the PDK really suits the 991 GT3 RS and on track it is as sharp as scalpel and i would never "go back" to a manual. The 991 GT3 RS is honed for the track with rear wheel steering and all the technology thrown at it to make it faster. Why compromise that thinking with a manual box ?. This was exactly the same with the 4.0 at the time. All the components were optimized with a single goal in mind. To make it faster. If you still want a manual car buy one from an era where that was still the name of the game. (A 997 GT3 RS springs to mind). hornbaek said:
. The 991 GT3 RS is honed for the track with rear wheel steering and all the technology thrown at it to make it faster. Why compromise that thinking with a manual box ?.
easy to answer, driver interaction and it's a lot harder to pilot a manual fast, thus more rewarding.As AP said in the interview, if you are after lap times buy PDK, if you have to do the work run buy PDK, if you want a drivers car buy manual.
Porsche911R said:
hornbaek said:
. The 991 GT3 RS is honed for the track with rear wheel steering and all the technology thrown at it to make it faster. Why compromise that thinking with a manual box ?.
easy to answer, driver interaction and it's a lot harder to pilot a manual fast, thus more rewarding.As AP said in the interview, if you are after lap times buy PDK, if you have to do the work run buy PDK, if you want a drivers car buy manual.
The good news is that there are lots of choices and doubtless many will choose a manual now that Porsche is continuing to make them. I will not be one of them.
Even with a GT3 RS 4.0 as a benchmark, the 991 GT3 RS with a PDK gearbox will never be uninvolving driving on a track - just different. "Yes" it requires less driver input in terms of going up and down the gearbox but it rewards in a lot of other areas. PDK put in the "Sports" setting shifts so ferociously that it scares you the first time you use it in anger.
Phooey said:
I genuinely giggle when I hear this. I'm seriously interested to hear why a PDK-S GT3 *isn't* a "drivers" car?
I would ask AP as I was quoting his review on drivetribe :-p so selective quotes are not quite as they seem.But imho PDK is very easy to pilot it's that simple, you can get the braking all wrong or late and it's zero drama, you don't have to think about much bar turn in point.
In a manual you have to get the braking right, the main braking has to be done and timed to perfection with your gear shift, I would say 99% of people will lap faster and I mean 5 seconds faster In a PDK not the 1 or 2 seconds the advantage gives, this make people feel like a hero because they are lapping at a much faster speed than they ever could with a stick.
It's not really about changing gear to pilot a manual fast, it's about forward thinking and braking way more than changing gear, (the changing gear part is done subconscious by a good driver) I find PDK drivers in the whole make quite slow drivers (if you pop them back in a manual), they lack or have lost the skill to read what needs to be done in time for the bend, they also tend to drive full auto if you watch or go out with them, they say it's a automated manual on forums, but they never use the paddles lol
This is why manual is classed I guess by AP, and why I class it as a "drivers car" there is far more to do as a driver and you come out sweating, Do 10 hard laps at PEC in a manual fast and you are hot, do the same in the PDK and you are thinking what PEC have in store for dinner, in fact after about 4 laps it's quite dull full stop in an auto.
Also look at a few WR interviews, he states "I want to drive the car" with PDK "the car drives me" his quotes on the last GT3.
It's not hard to get ones head round imo, it just upsets people who choose Automatics I guess :-p
I myself am a lot faster in a PDK car, if I were as fast I would be getting paid to drive, not doing s
tty I.T work.But like AP and WR , I like to be able to "drive" the car and I mean really drive it, it's very rewarding if you are into cars to drive, not as investments or toys.
Porsche911R said:
I would ask AP as I was quoting his review on drivetribe :-p so selective quotes are not quite as they seem.
But imho PDK is very easy to pilot it's that simple, you can get the braking all wrong or late and it's zero drama, you don't have to think about much bar turn in point.
In a manual you have to get the braking right, the main braking has to be done and timed to perfection with your gear shift, I would say 99% of people will lap faster and I mean 5 seconds faster In a PDK not the 1 or 2 seconds the advantage gives, this make people feel like a hero because they are lapping at a much faster speed than they ever could with a stick.
It's not really about changing gear to pilot a manual fast, it's about forward thinking and braking way more than changing gear, (the changing gear part is done subconscious by a good driver) I find PDK drivers in the whole make quite slow drivers (if you pop them back in a manual), they lack or have lost the skill to read what needs to be done in time for the bend, they also tend to drive full auto if you watch or go out with them, they say it's a automated manual on forums, but they never use the paddles lol
This is why manual is classed I guess by AP, and why I class it as a "drivers car" there is far more to do as a driver and you come out sweating, Do 10 hard laps at PEC in a manual fast and you are hot, do the same in the PDK and you are thinking what PEC have in store for dinner, in fact after about 4 laps it's quite dull full stop in an auto.
Also look at a few WR interviews, he states "I want to drive the car" with PDK "the car drives me" his quotes on the last GT3.
It's not hard to get ones head round imo, it just upsets people who choose Automatics I guess :-p
I myself am a lot faster in a PDK car, if I were as fast I would be getting paid to drive, not doing stty I.T work.
But like AP and WR , I like to be able to "drive" the car and I mean really drive it, it's very rewarding if you are into cars to drive, not as investments or toys.
A bit of a sweeping generalisation going on here. My point had nothing to do with manual or PDK but rather why i would choose a PDK in 991.2 GT3 RS rather than the manual version of the same car. If I really wanted a more old school involving drive I would spend my money on a 997.2 GT3 RS and not on a back to the future engineered 991.2 because where do you stop: Would you take away the rear-wheel steering as well to get a more involving drive or maybe the extended aero or the electronically adjusted steering in the newer car ? And regarding Andreas Preuniger - he tends to express the highest admiration for the most recently launched car - funny that !But imho PDK is very easy to pilot it's that simple, you can get the braking all wrong or late and it's zero drama, you don't have to think about much bar turn in point.
In a manual you have to get the braking right, the main braking has to be done and timed to perfection with your gear shift, I would say 99% of people will lap faster and I mean 5 seconds faster In a PDK not the 1 or 2 seconds the advantage gives, this make people feel like a hero because they are lapping at a much faster speed than they ever could with a stick.
It's not really about changing gear to pilot a manual fast, it's about forward thinking and braking way more than changing gear, (the changing gear part is done subconscious by a good driver) I find PDK drivers in the whole make quite slow drivers (if you pop them back in a manual), they lack or have lost the skill to read what needs to be done in time for the bend, they also tend to drive full auto if you watch or go out with them, they say it's a automated manual on forums, but they never use the paddles lol
This is why manual is classed I guess by AP, and why I class it as a "drivers car" there is far more to do as a driver and you come out sweating, Do 10 hard laps at PEC in a manual fast and you are hot, do the same in the PDK and you are thinking what PEC have in store for dinner, in fact after about 4 laps it's quite dull full stop in an auto.
Also look at a few WR interviews, he states "I want to drive the car" with PDK "the car drives me" his quotes on the last GT3.
It's not hard to get ones head round imo, it just upsets people who choose Automatics I guess :-p
I myself am a lot faster in a PDK car, if I were as fast I would be getting paid to drive, not doing s
tty I.T work.But like AP and WR , I like to be able to "drive" the car and I mean really drive it, it's very rewarding if you are into cars to drive, not as investments or toys.
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