New pan diesel - £118k
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
simong800 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
They are low £90k's base price...and you can definitely put £25k of kit on one without trying very hard. The Hybrid is about £15k cheaper though as it has a higherbase spec so you'd haev to really want a Diesel IMHO. Most OPC's haven't even had thier launch events yet so for a car to have done 1k miles I reckon it has either been used by the press or was one of the cars that was used for "training" at PEC when all the sales people went there a few weeks ago. As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
Cheib said:
simong800 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
They are low £90k's base price...and you can definitely put £25k of kit on one without trying very hard. The Hybrid is about £15k cheaper though as it has a higherbase spec so you'd haev to really want a Diesel IMHO. Most OPC's haven't even had thier launch events yet so for a car to have done 1k miles I reckon it has either been used by the press or was one of the cars that was used for "training" at PEC when all the sales people went there a few weeks ago. As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
I think I paid about 70k for a brand new v6 diesel in the old format, stock car with decent if not overwhelming spec (full leather, PASM and the turbo II alloys). £40k bump in price seems huge, but I suppose 4wd, bigger/better engine etc......
Will be keen to see if the Turbo depreciates as much as the old shape. This must have been £130k + new;
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
More than happy to take advantage of someone else's £3.50-£4 per mile depreciation in due course
simong800 said:
Cheib said:
simong800 said:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
They are low £90k's base price...and you can definitely put £25k of kit on one without trying very hard. The Hybrid is about £15k cheaper though as it has a higherbase spec so you'd haev to really want a Diesel IMHO. Most OPC's haven't even had thier launch events yet so for a car to have done 1k miles I reckon it has either been used by the press or was one of the cars that was used for "training" at PEC when all the sales people went there a few weeks ago. As above.
Seems a tad pricey perhaps? Is this just the going rate for one of these now?
I think I paid about 70k for a brand new v6 diesel in the old format, stock car with decent if not overwhelming spec (full leather, PASM and the turbo II alloys). £40k bump in price seems huge, but I suppose 4wd, bigger/better engine etc......
Will be keen to see if the Turbo depreciates as much as the old shape. This must have been £130k + new;
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
More than happy to take advantage of someone else's £3.50-£4 per mile depreciation in due course
I'm getting one of the first Panny 4 hybrids from my OPC next spring hopefully before April 1st when the new draconian road tax for >£40000 cars kick in.The base price for this is just under £80000 and i've managed to configure it to less than £90000 with metallic,2 tone full leather,bose,20" alloys,rear camera,bose,soft close doors etc.The two essential extras ie sport chrono and air/PASM are standard on the hybrid which saves a few grand.IMO the new Panny hybrid makes sense at £90000 but a diesel at £118000 is ridiculous unless money is no object.
The clue is in the naming structure - the launch diesel is a 4 'S' V8 variant - they'll obviously try and flog the high end variants first and then the normal '4' V6 diesel will come later at c.71k
The 4 e-hybrid appears a chunk cheaper, and given it hasn't been given 4'S' naming, I'd speculate they'll come out with with a bonkers Panny 4S e-hybrid that's more expensive and more impressive than the V8 diesel. Obviously it'll be positioned smack bang in the middle between 4S diesel and the Turbo @ £100k basic, 500hp.... pure speculation of course. Right now it 'appears' the 4 e-hybrid is a bargain, but really it should be viewed as a 10k premium to the (just announced) V6 petrol panny.
The 4 e-hybrid appears a chunk cheaper, and given it hasn't been given 4'S' naming, I'd speculate they'll come out with with a bonkers Panny 4S e-hybrid that's more expensive and more impressive than the V8 diesel. Obviously it'll be positioned smack bang in the middle between 4S diesel and the Turbo @ £100k basic, 500hp.... pure speculation of course. Right now it 'appears' the 4 e-hybrid is a bargain, but really it should be viewed as a 10k premium to the (just announced) V6 petrol panny.
That's for the V8 diesel so not comparable with the outgoing 3.0 V6 diesel, which is coming shortly.
Having driven the new Pan (V8 petrol, Porsche have moved the game on a long long way with the new model.
The tech and interior are breathtaking, while the performance/ride/handling balance has to be experienced to be believed.
It even looks good now!
Having driven the new Pan (V8 petrol, Porsche have moved the game on a long long way with the new model.
The tech and interior are breathtaking, while the performance/ride/handling balance has to be experienced to be believed.
It even looks good now!
Cheib said:
They are low £90k's base price...and you can definitely put £25k of kit on one without trying very hard. The Hybrid is about £15k cheaper though as it has a higherbase spec so you'd haev to really want a Diesel IMHO. Most OPC's haven't even had thier launch events yet so for a car to have done 1k miles I reckon it has either been used by the press or was one of the cars that was used for "training" at PEC when all the sales people went there a few weeks ago.
You need to put almost £10k of options into the hybrid to get to V8 diesel spec.Fezzaman said:
The clue is in the naming structure - the launch diesel is a 4 'S' V8 variant - they'll obviously try and flog the high end variants first and then the normal '4' V6 diesel will come later at c.71k
The 4 e-hybrid appears a chunk cheaper, and given it hasn't been given 4'S' naming, I'd speculate they'll come out with with a bonkers Panny 4S e-hybrid that's more expensive and more impressive than the V8 diesel. Obviously it'll be positioned smack bang in the middle between 4S diesel and the Turbo @ £100k basic, 500hp.... pure speculation of course. Right now it 'appears' the 4 e-hybrid is a bargain, but really it should be viewed as a 10k premium to the (just announced) V6 petrol panny.
By the time you add £2885 extra to the V8 diesel for air/PASM and sport chrono which are standard on the hybrid you end up with a saving of £15K vs the diesel.The new hybrid adopts the same hybrid system as the 918spyder and consequently costs a packet more than the diesel to develop and build.The gist of this is that Porsche have substantially subsidised the hybrid to encourage people to switch from diesel and bearing in mind the hybrid has 462HP/516lbsft makes the other more expensive variants irrelevant if you apply a degree of fiscal acumen to this.The 4 e-hybrid appears a chunk cheaper, and given it hasn't been given 4'S' naming, I'd speculate they'll come out with with a bonkers Panny 4S e-hybrid that's more expensive and more impressive than the V8 diesel. Obviously it'll be positioned smack bang in the middle between 4S diesel and the Turbo @ £100k basic, 500hp.... pure speculation of course. Right now it 'appears' the 4 e-hybrid is a bargain, but really it should be viewed as a 10k premium to the (just announced) V6 petrol panny.
ted 191 said:
Cheib said:
They are low £90k's base price...and you can definitely put £25k of kit on one without trying very hard. The Hybrid is about £15k cheaper though as it has a higherbase spec so you'd haev to really want a Diesel IMHO. Most OPC's haven't even had thier launch events yet so for a car to have done 1k miles I reckon it has either been used by the press or was one of the cars that was used for "training" at PEC when all the sales people went there a few weeks ago.
You need to put almost £10k of options into the hybrid to get to V8 diesel spec.Taffy66 said:
By the time you add £2885 extra to the V8 diesel for air/PASM and sport chrono which are standard on the hybrid you end up with a saving of £15K vs the diesel.The new hybrid adopts the same hybrid system as the 918spyder and consequently costs a packet more than the diesel to develop and build.The gist of this is that Porsche have substantially subsidised the hybrid to encourage people to switch from diesel and bearing in mind the hybrid has 462HP/516lbsft makes the other more expensive variants irrelevant if you apply a degree of fiscal acumen to this.
Can't say I had dug into the spec sheet re pasm etc, might wander down to a local OPC and check it out this week as couldn't make the Reading launch night. Presumably air/pasm/sc aren't standard on the V6 base petrol either which means the 10k premium over the Panny 4 I mentioned narrows furtherThe cynic in me saw a marketing ploy as the words 'Porsche' and 'subsidy' are traditionally mutually exclusive... On the other hand when all is said and done, it's still 80k+. The forthcoming estate will be the ultimate do-it-all. Have to ask though, given the huge dimensions of the new car, who in the UK will order the even longer executive version?
Fezzaman said:
Have to ask though, given the huge dimensions of the new car, who in the UK will order the even longer executive version?
Me. Rear space is not great in the new Panamera. I am 6ft 2in so tallish....there's wasn't huge amounts of room behind me when I sat in it. My kids are still on booster seats which mean they take up more room than a teenager as their feet dangle between the seats. If they make an Exec Shooting Brake that is the car I want. A big part of the reason I currently drive an X5 and am taking delivery of a Cayenne in Jan is rear passenger space. I'd love a Macan but there's nowhere near enough room in it for us as a family.
Fezzaman said:
Can't say I had dug into the spec sheet re pasm etc, might wander down to a local OPC and check it out this week as couldn't make the Reading launch night. Presumably air/pasm/sc aren't standard on the V6 base petrol either which means the 10k premium over the Panny 4 I mentioned narrows further
The cynic in me saw a marketing ploy as the words 'Porsche' and 'subsidy' are traditionally mutually exclusive... On the other hand when all is said and done, it's still 80k+. The forthcoming estate will be the ultimate do-it-all. Have to ask though, given the huge dimensions of the new car, who in the UK will order the even longer executive version?
Porsche would never admit to having to subsidise a car to sell it,however when you examine the new Panny's pricing structure its apparent in this case they have.Basically the hybrid is the only Panny with the essential air/PASM and sport chrono as standard along with the V8 turbo petrol which costs £113000 as standard.The engine in the hybrid is exactly the same as in the more expensive 4s(albeit ecu detuned which is easily alleviated) plus the addition of an e-motor,charger and 14kw lithium ion battery pack which are all hugely expensive components.After taking into account the £2885 and £12000+ cheaper list than the diesel this is obviously Porsche price promoting the hybrid.The cynic in me saw a marketing ploy as the words 'Porsche' and 'subsidy' are traditionally mutually exclusive... On the other hand when all is said and done, it's still 80k+. The forthcoming estate will be the ultimate do-it-all. Have to ask though, given the huge dimensions of the new car, who in the UK will order the even longer executive version?
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