964 C2 or 968 CS?

[Mustangs]

As above really what would you choose , a sorted 964 or tidy 968 Clubbie ?

[Wozy68]

I've owned both.

Depends on what you want it for I guess, but if it's for driver involvement ........... 968CS all the way, especially if driving an unknown road and at speed, the CS absolutely excelled in the handling stakes.

The CS isnt as quick on paper, but handles so beautifully in the real world it would run rings around a 964 IMO.l

Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 6th March 12:55

[Koln-RS]

964 C2 manual if you could find a decent one - that lovely 911 silhouette, the air-cooled flat six....a classic to cherish for life. Or a 993?

[kitesurfer2]

The 968 is nice but will never be a 911..

[Mustangs]

Tks, some interesting replies, just thinking at this stage. So, some more detail-

I have a 964 C2 manual that has been mechanically totally rebuilt and developed by a well known and respected engine specialist. Its puts out circa 285hp, sits on full adjustable Pss10's with lightweight clutch and flywheel. The body work has no dents, has never been involved in an accident, has all new lighting including HID units and it has upgraded brakes all round. Its just turned 100,000 Klms (LHD I wanted as I live outside the UK at times), drives beautifully with a full new exhaust system it sounds great . All bushes have been replaced, all oil and fuel lines and new electricals. Mechanically its all new.
The inside has the more desirable sports seats but it is totally original. I think the interior could do with a lift which is the only thing that slightly lets the car down (but not majorly so) so to the untrained eye apart from the lower stance the car looks all original.
Id say new carpets would make a big difference to the interior.

So Wozy, now you know what I have what's your thoughts vs the 968?

Oh and in terms of usage its currently sharing some miles with my other cars so it'll probably be doing circa 3k per annum .

Once again many tks

[mollytherocker]

Both are fabulous cars and a pleasure to own and drive.

I would ultimately choose the 964 for emotional reasons and THAT engine. But its purely subjective. The 968 is lovely drive, with a far better driving position and handling balance (athough not as challenging).

There are no losers here!

[BrewsterBear]

kitesurfer2 said:

The 968 is nice but will never be a 911..

This.

I've had a 968CS and a number of 911s including a 993 and my current SC. The 968 was sublime. Handled so brilliantly that you could throw all sorts of abuse at it and it would still take you round the corner. It was very smooth and as such you never really felt it had 240bhp. It'd show most air-cooled cars a clean pair of heels on a twisty road though.

However, it wasn't a 911. I sold mine with 110k miles for £11k about 4 years ago. What a tt. That said, I wouldn't be without my current 911 and I wouldn't be in that if I'd kept the ClubSport.

[Steve Rance]

I have owned a lovely original low miles 968CS and currently own a 964 C2. In standard form there is little between them in terms of driving reward although I'd prefer the 968 because I find the standard 964 too soft for my liking. However, the 964 platform has the potential to produce a driving experience far greater than the sum of its parts and for that reason I'd chose a 964.

[Mustangs]

Interesting feedback on this .

May just come down to cash difference at the end of the day lets see

[hot66]

I almost bought a 968cs many years ago, test drove standard and modded ones

Have a 964c2 manual LHD on pss10''s

As stock 964 handled appalling

968 I found dull and no emotion ( don't under estimate the emotion of driving a car)

I also own an M3 CSL ( maybe the modern equivalent of a 968 CS ? )

I'd take my modded 964 over the CSL any day

[Mustangs]

hot66 said:

I almost bought a 968cs many years ago, test drove standard and modded ones

Have a 964c2 manual LHD on pss10''s

As stock 964 handled appalling

968 I found dull and no emotion ( don't under estimate the emotion of driving a car)

I also own an M3 CSL ( maybe the modern equivalent of a 968 CS ? )

I'd take my modded 964 over the CSL any day

And im assuming the 964 over the 968 then....

[hot66]

yep, 968 did nothing for me. Prefer an M3 as least that has a nice sounding 6

964 is just a great all rounder , can take the wife away for a weekend in it, then rag the tits of it over the moorland roads and feel like you've actually been driving . CSL is quicker, but deep down the 964 just feels right .

Out of all my cars, the 964 will be the last to go.

Just to clarify my preferences, I'm specifically talking about road use , not track

[ras62]

The 968 has a very mundane engine when compared to the 911 and while the balance and biddable handling on the 968 are seen as positives on any given road I would say a sorted 964 C2 is a far more rewarding and challenging car to drive.

[shoestring7]

I've owned two 968s and two 964s. I far preferred the balance, handling and practicality of the transaxle cars, but there's nothing like the feel of a 911 as you fire it out of a corner and run it hard up through the gears - all the way to 265kph in mine.

My preference for a road car for summer/weekend use would still be a lhd 964, but the way the market is right now a nice 968 Sport (with climate) is much more likely to be resident on my garage. A 964 is just not 2 1/2 times the value in my book.

SS7
PS The smell of a cabin is a big part of the ambience in my book; fresh new carpet will be worth every penny

[Mustangs]

shoestring7 said:

I've owned two 968s and two 964s. I far preferred the balance, handling and practicality of the transaxle cars, but there's nothing like the feel of a 911 as you fire it out of a corner and run it hard up through the gears - all the way to 265kph in mine.

My preference for a road car for summer/weekend use would still be a lhd 964, but the way the market is right now a nice 968 Sport (with climate) is much more likely to be resident on my garage. A 964 is just not 2 1/2 times the value in my book.

SS7
PS The smell of a cabin is a big part of the ambience in my book; fresh new carpet will be worth every penny

Fresh carpet not a bad idea. So what will that cost fitted do you think and what's thoughts on current car value ? Tks

[shoestring7]

Mustangs said:

shoestring7 said:

I've owned two 968s and two 964s. I far preferred the balance, handling and practicality of the transaxle cars, but there's nothing like the feel of a 911 as you fire it out of a corner and run it hard up through the gears - all the way to 265kph in mine.

My preference for a road car for summer/weekend use would still be a lhd 964, but the way the market is right now a nice 968 Sport (with climate) is much more likely to be resident on my garage. A 964 is just not 2 1/2 times the value in my book.

SS7
PS The smell of a cabin is a big part of the ambience in my book; fresh new carpet will be worth every penny

Fresh carpet not a bad idea. So what will that cost fitted do you think and what's thoughts on current car value ? Tks

I'd use Garry Hall for any trimming: http://classiccarrestorationsurrey.co.uk

You'd have to ask dealers for selling values; as soon as you go non-standard you lose a lot of potential buyers, although a 'name' like Bob Watson or Nick Fulljames for engine and suspension work should help. You might want to speak to someone like JZ Machtech who seem to sell modded cars well, but low mileage late 964 C2s seem to be >£45k cars nowadays

SS7

[Wozy68]

hot66 said:

I almost bought a 968cs many years ago, test drove standard and modded ones

Have a 964c2 manual LHD on pss10''s

As stock 964 handled appalling

968 I found dull and no emotion ( don't under estimate the emotion of driving a car)

I also own an M3 CSL ( maybe the modern equivalent of a 968 CS ? )

I'd take my modded 964 over the CSL any day

I think that was the problem with my 964, mine was standard as it came out the factory, I really do think reading different threads over the last few years that a revamped suspension 964 is a far better car.

It was the other way round for me as in the CS I immediately felt I was driving a 'drivers car' and all that I imagined driving a Porsche was all about.

Saying that at times and in certain conditions the CS did feel lacking in the HP stakes, I'd loved to have tried the mighty rare turbo version.

[Mustangs]

Wozy68 said:

I think that was the problem with my 964, mine was standard as it came out the factory, I really do think reading different threads over the last few years that a revamped suspension 964 is a far better car.

It was the other way round for me as in the CS I immediately felt I was driving a 'drivers car' and all that I imagined driving a Porsche was all about.

Saying that at times and in certain conditions the CS did feel lacking in the HP stakes, I'd loved to have tried the mighty rare turbo version.

Sounds a fair shout on price Shoestring.

Yes Wozy standard set up is garbage but now with pss10's etc etc its fab

[ArrowSC]

Interesting thread. After driving many 911s including a number of std and modified 964s over ten years, I had the chance of buying a cheap 968CS in Germany which was too good to miss. I was very impressed by it, but never loved it and soon knew I still had to own a 911. I can also understand why others might prefer the 968, but a lightened and uprated air-cooled 911 is much more of an 'event' for me as a weekend toy.

[Wozy68]

Mustangs said:

Sounds a fair shout on price Shoestring.

Yes Wozy standard set up is garbage but now with pss10's etc etc its fab

Now I realise the spec of your 964 I can see that you have a well sorted 911 , I was basing my thoughts on an out of the box 964 vs 968, and I truely do believe that a standard 964 vs the CS, the CS was a better drivers car. Obviously you have to ignore the character and beauty of the 911 and just base judgement on driver appeal. At the end of the day, a water cooled front engined Porsche of that period isnt the same beasty as an aircooled 911 and I fully understand that....... I love and own an aircooled 911 after all.

I always felt the 968 capable of handling far more HP, but then that would have made it easily better/faster road car than the 964, which I always felt was a half hearted attempt of updating (for the road) the iconic 911 we love and know.

Obviously just my opinion mind