Price watch. 964 the new 993?
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Alway wanted a 993 and I must admit I absolutely love my C2. I'm always having a quick glance over the classifieds though just to see what's on offer, but I'm amazed the prices 964s are going for.
I keep reading ads for up together good serviced 964s some with stellar mileage yet around 20k. As a previous 964 owner myself this is fair enough, however this is as much or more than a Simlair spec 993.
In the day when I owned my 964, you could never get a simlair speced 993 for anything like equal money.
To me at least it seems good (well I'm guessing good history) 964s are the more expensive option these days. Which is fair enough. Amazing how time changes everything, from unloved to very much in demand over only a few years.
Fair play I say.
I keep reading ads for up together good serviced 964s some with stellar mileage yet around 20k. As a previous 964 owner myself this is fair enough, however this is as much or more than a Simlair spec 993.
In the day when I owned my 964, you could never get a simlair speced 993 for anything like equal money.
To me at least it seems good (well I'm guessing good history) 964s are the more expensive option these days. Which is fair enough. Amazing how time changes everything, from unloved to very much in demand over only a few years.
Fair play I say.
Time changes everything, as it passes you get more perspective. The 993 was coveted because it was the last of the air-cooled and the most refined, its also a nice looker. Depending on the day of the week, it isn't the best though, the 964 was closer to the original and the best balance between usability and modernity. IMHO the 993 and 964 are on par.
For the record, I have a 964.
For the record, I have a 964.
I think that the market is a little out of love with the 993 at the moment. I actually think that it's a misunderstood car. Years of strong values have made people turn away. We prefer the underdog don't we!
The 964 has come back from its previously unloved status to that of a hero. And it's all to do with the 964RS. I have always liked the 964 and I understand why people are turning back to them. It's the fastest and most refined version of the 911 With the original suspension and therefore handling characteristics.
But I still think the 993 is a much better 911 all round. That's by my definition, yours may well be different.
Both are great cars though and manual C2 versions are becoming harder to find.
The 964 has come back from its previously unloved status to that of a hero. And it's all to do with the 964RS. I have always liked the 964 and I understand why people are turning back to them. It's the fastest and most refined version of the 911 With the original suspension and therefore handling characteristics.
But I still think the 993 is a much better 911 all round. That's by my definition, yours may well be different.
Both are great cars though and manual C2 versions are becoming harder to find.
bridey0 said:
Hi Warren. Check out Paul Stephens, they've just sold a tip 964 C2 for 23k .
Games changed,look on classifieds here there are no manual coupe C2's
Hi David, yes that was one of the original adverts I had seen and thought blimey, 964 prices are on the up.Games changed,look on classifieds here there are no manual coupe C2's
Talking about 964s, hope your enjoying yours. Took the 993 yesterday to the coast, around trip of 300 miles and though cold, the sun was a shining and the roads were dry for a change. One of the best things about aircooled? The instant heat. :-)
How much do you think this would be after importing and paying all relevant taxes?
http://www.jamesedition.com/cars/porsche/911-turbo...
http://www.jamesedition.com/cars/porsche/911-turbo...
Hi Wozy,
yeah the market is always evolving. I was reading an old GT Purely Porsche mag at work the other day and there was a feature on future classics.
After the main cars (993, gt3 mk1 and 968cs, another car you've sampled) they questioned a few others, one of them being the 964. Their conclusion was no it won't be a classic.
Funny how even people in the know didn't have much time or love for the '64 even upto about 4 years ago.
I love them me and am enjoying the interest growing in them. There are some great cars being built into whatever their owners desire and I really hope I manage to get back into one one day, before the prices skyrocket.
yeah the market is always evolving. I was reading an old GT Purely Porsche mag at work the other day and there was a feature on future classics.
After the main cars (993, gt3 mk1 and 968cs, another car you've sampled) they questioned a few others, one of them being the 964. Their conclusion was no it won't be a classic.
Funny how even people in the know didn't have much time or love for the '64 even upto about 4 years ago.
I love them me and am enjoying the interest growing in them. There are some great cars being built into whatever their owners desire and I really hope I manage to get back into one one day, before the prices skyrocket.
A lot of good 964s are not even getting to the public market - they are being sold before being advertised and for a lot of money (28k+). I'm not saying that the ones advertised are not good, just that there is a pre market for these, especially the 964 c2.
If you look in Europe, it is hard to find a good 964 for less than 40k Euro now.
If you look in Europe, it is hard to find a good 964 for less than 40k Euro now.
The other point is that they are money pits so a good example is going to command good money.
- engine rebuild between £4k and £12k depending on what required
- full respray and restoration including all new rubbers etc - £6k
- Interior - easily spend up to £5k
- Brakes/Suspension etc - up to £3k
Even if you are not making an RS Replica etc, just making a 964 like new, you can easily spend thousands.
Having restored four 964s in as many months, I just don't think you can find a good example at the £15k price unless you are willing to accept that it is going to need some of the above work done.
I also think imo that the shape of the 964 is helping prices - those that want to get into pre 89 might opt for a 964 if it has been restored - slightly more modern version but still with older looks.
K.
- engine rebuild between £4k and £12k depending on what required
- full respray and restoration including all new rubbers etc - £6k
- Interior - easily spend up to £5k
- Brakes/Suspension etc - up to £3k
Even if you are not making an RS Replica etc, just making a 964 like new, you can easily spend thousands.
Having restored four 964s in as many months, I just don't think you can find a good example at the £15k price unless you are willing to accept that it is going to need some of the above work done.
I also think imo that the shape of the 964 is helping prices - those that want to get into pre 89 might opt for a 964 if it has been restored - slightly more modern version but still with older looks.
K.
Wozy68 said:
Hi David, yes that was one of the original adverts I had seen and thought blimey, 964 prices are on the up.
Talking about 964s, hope your enjoying yours. Took the 993 yesterday to the coast, around trip of 300 miles and though cold, the sun was a shining and the roads were dry for a change. One of the best things about aircooled? The instant heat. :-)
Cars still good Warren and never missed a beat and I've enjoyed making it better since owning it which recently included replacing the front bushes and having it Geo'd so now it drives so precisely. Talking about 964s, hope your enjoying yours. Took the 993 yesterday to the coast, around trip of 300 miles and though cold, the sun was a shining and the roads were dry for a change. One of the best things about aircooled? The instant heat. :-)
However...... I'm considering selling her as I've looming school fees and I know the guys at Paul Stephens will get top money for her. I've already spoken to them so it's just a case of taking her down there.
I had her inspected by Peter Morgan last August before I bought her which was a sound thing to do so she's in fine health for the next owner. Shame but I still have my gt3
mollytherocker said:
.....It's the fastest and most refined version of the 911 With the original suspension and therefore handling characteristics.
The 964 doesn't have the original suspension design. The 964 was the 1st '911' to loose the original suspension design. Original was torsion bars, spring plates etc , 964 is coil springs 
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