911 Newbie from BMW E39 M5
911 Newbie from BMW E39 M5
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andy3781

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158 posts

205 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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Hi, after four good years with my trusty intergalatic mileage M5, which i have just sold its now time to step into unfamiliar territory with a Porsche. I know that the 996 911 isn't particularly the best looking 911, and everybody loves a good 964 but prices have fallen so much recently that they are just too tempting. Is spending £10k and hoping to get a decent example asking too much?! As long as they can take it high mileage doesn't bother me.

So just after a few pointers from 996 owners really, what to look out for and common problems. I don't mind the early cars but I like the facelift models with the 3.6 engine but cant seem to find any this side of the 10k mark. I know that is asking a lot to get a decent facelift 3.6 911 for that money but these cars must be out there somewhere?!

Thanks in advance for any advice given!

Andy

VinceFox

20,566 posts

202 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Google IMS failure, that seems to be one of the biggies with these.

Terminator X

20,738 posts

234 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Many many of us on here have 996s that have run all their lives without internet based engine probs. Buy one, drive it, love it imho.

TX.

andy3781

Original Poster:

158 posts

205 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Yes, i've been reading up on the rear main seal leaks (RMS) but then again there were lots of threads with people talking about Vanos failiure with BMWs and i never had a problem and if the car has got to over 100k miles then i'm sure things like that would've rear their head already and been resolved. Well thats what I would like to think anyway. In relation to performance, as i've not had a chance to test drive one yet does the 3.4 feel torquey at all and is it worth going for a manual over the tiptronic?

andy3781

Original Poster:

158 posts

205 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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The way i'm looking at it is to buy the best serviced history car for as little as I can and keep some money in reserve incase the inevitable happens. Like I said mileage doesn't bother me and i've always bought on service history / condition over miles on the clock.

goldblum

10,272 posts

197 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I bought a 996 C2S a good few years ago from Autobahn (Coventry). After a year it developed a RMS leak. Autobahn fixed it.



ETA Oh hold on I've just remembered it developed a gearbox problem at c.30,000 miles which the garage also fixed.

Edited by goldblum on Monday 7th January 01:09

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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andy3781 said:
The way i'm looking at it is to buy the best serviced history car for as little as I can and keep some money in reserve incase the inevitable happens. Like I said mileage doesn't bother me and i've always bought on service history / condition over miles on the clock.
Get a specialist inspection too, well worth the cost on one of these. Reserve money needs to be at least £5k if the engine does fail without warning (which, whilst not common, should be far more uncommon than it is). If you get one inspected that's worth buying (for an appropriate price) and are happy with the risks then you'll really enjoy it, they're great cars. Torque levels not quite as high as a big V8 but they are very good and the engine pulls well at nearly all speeds - certainly from 1000rpm, it's just a little strained at very high revs compared to an earlier air-cooled car.

supermono

7,464 posts

278 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Make sure and test one first, I couldn't believe how slow a C4S felt compared with the mighty M5 I had. It was necessary to get a turbo.

Carrera was nimble enough and fun enough to let me know I was onto a winner with a 911 generally but just way too slow.

SM

smj996c

319 posts

223 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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supermono said:
Make sure and test one first, I couldn't believe how slow a C4S felt compared with the mighty M5 I had. It was necessary to get a turbo.

Carrera was nimble enough and fun enough to let me know I was onto a winner with a 911 generally but just way too slow.

SM
^^^^This....I did the same 6 years ago, E39 M5 to NA 996 then on to turbo, coming out of an M5 the NA 996 (albeit a better driving experience) will leave you underwhelmed from a power perspective.

andy3781

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158 posts

205 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Thanks to all for the comments, I was afraid it might feel a little underpowered compared with a big v8 but theres noway i could afford a decent turbo at the minute. Might have to skip the 911 for a while obviously i'll never know unless i drive one but then i don't want to shatter the illusion either!!

guyvert1

2,161 posts

272 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Don't write off the 996 , the power delivery is still good, go for a c2, think you'd be surprised how close they are in real world conditions, even on a drag strip, don't imagine the m5 would start pulling ahead until 3 figures..

davek_964

11,304 posts

205 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I'm not entering an opinion on the do they / don't they all self destruct - but just thought I'd mention that earlier threads mention IMS and you said you've read about RMS. They are very different things.

From your posts, I don't think it will alter your view - but while RMS is an inconvenience, IMS is very much more if you're unlucky enough to have it happen.

Terminator X

20,738 posts

234 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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andy3781 said:
Thanks to all for the comments, I was afraid it might feel a little underpowered compared with a big v8 but theres noway i could afford a decent turbo at the minute. Might have to skip the 911 for a while obviously i'll never know unless i drive one but then i don't want to shatter the illusion either!!
C2 is no slouch as it gets to 100 in 10.5s. Reasonable power and pretty lightweight too remember certainly vs more modern machinery.

TX.

PS Don't forget the sound nuts

laingy

676 posts

271 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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i tried a 996 c4 cab, didnt feel much quicker than a bmw 330i

Walter Sobchak

5,739 posts

254 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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smj996c said:
^^^^This....I did the same 6 years ago, E39 M5 to NA 996 then on to turbo, coming out of an M5 the NA 996 (albeit a better driving experience) will leave you underwhelmed from a power perspective.
This is why I've somewhat discounted the NA models, coming from an E55 AMG I didn't want to take a step backwards performance wise so am cutting out the middle man and going straight for a Turbo then probably remapping it to boot!!.

r4_rick

477 posts

245 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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Hi Andy
I just bought a 996 as a daily, a 3.4 on 1999, paid a lot more then £10k for it, perhaps too much, but having owned, and still do, a 964, buying the cheapest porsche can often lead to spending more in the long run. PM me if you want more details

i only drove an M5 for a short run, very awesome, but i think the C2 is quite a different experience, down on power but more of a sports car sensation perhaps ?

goldblum

10,272 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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Yeah not sure why people think the M5 is noticeably faster, because it's certainly not. It has more low down torque, something I missed when I changed to a 911, but trust me when the big M5 starts hitting the aerodynamic wall at about 150 the little porker will keep pulling all the way to 175. The Porsche is a fantastic driving experience yet a tad impractical, whereas the M5 is very practical and is a special car but in no way is it as special as the Carrera.

Edited by goldblum on Wednesday 9th January 01:20