6RS for rebuild anyone?
6RS for rebuild anyone?
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BertBert

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21,283 posts

241 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Track day accident? Do I read that right that it doesn't have a Cat C or D status?
http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventI...
bert

Terminator X

20,739 posts

234 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Eh, how is it possible to avoid Cat ? status when the car is quite clearly fked?!

TX.

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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That doesn't look like bad damage at all - even the bumper crash tubes are un-bent (or virtually so). Can't tell if the bonnet's still aligned about right (and hopefully undamaged as it's carbon fibre on an RS AFAIK) but if so then being as the airbags & wheels are OK then £3/4k for bumper, lights, wings & rads could see it all sorted. Actually, I might bid. idea Err, on second thoughts, it looks like a wreck, not worth more than scrap value - £500? whistle

wildman0609

885 posts

206 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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just out of interest does a 996 gt3/gt3rs have the same shell as a 996 c2?

you can get a straight 996 c2 shell for less than a grand, so could be worth a re-shell.

s_mcneil

1,006 posts

225 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Maybe wrong but didn't that happen March last year?


mollytherocker

14,465 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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s_mcneil said:
Maybe wrong but didn't that happen March last year?
Yes, thats what I thought too! But, I think that one was only damaged on the OSF?

spikeyhead

20,490 posts

227 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Terminator X said:
Eh, how is it possible to avoid Cat ? status when the car is quite clearly fked?!

TX.
Cat C and d are applied by insurance companies.

If there's not an insurance claim then it doesn't get catagorized.

Hence it's possible that some cars get completely rebuilt and a HPI check shows nothing untoward.

It's also the case that a lot of large fleets, especially goods vehicles are self insured and these don't get categorized either.

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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wildman0609 said:
just out of interest does a 996 gt3/gt3rs have the same shell as a 996 c2?

you can get a straight 996 c2 shell for less than a grand, so could be worth a re-shell.
The 996RS shell is a modified C4S shell.

m33ufo

4,959 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Looks great value at the moment but I reckon it'll be closer to £30K by the end of the listing. Then again, maybe I'm totally wrong smile

I did just actually try to join Copart (just in case!), but looks like my application wouldn't be approved in time to catch auction end frown

elliot_holder

200 posts

219 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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This car has been around for a while and was advertised on eBay and other salvage sites before going onto auction on copart.

Which to me, suggests damage is more significant than it appears as it would have sold otherwise, from recollection it was pretty competitively priced.

Guess it had a serious off on a track day else it would be likely to be insurance recorded.

Would seriously suggest a viewing and thorough inspection before bidding.

FarQue

2,339 posts

228 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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mollytherocker said:
s_mcneil said:
Maybe wrong but didn't that happen March last year?
Yes, thats what I thought too! But, I think that one was only damaged on the OSF?
I agree with MTR - osf damage to the car at OP last March. There wasn't anything left to bolt a wheel to.

stuttgartmetal

8,164 posts

246 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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At 20k very worth it.
At 30k, not.
25 ish is the priice Id guess at.
If irt roll, and runs its so do-able.
Bent legs, and its a real big project/ a breaker.

fioran0

2,410 posts

202 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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the GT3 and RS both use a modified C4 shell (not C4S). they arent widebody. 997 RS is however widebody v 997 GT3 narrowbody.
the only difference between a C2 and C4 shell is the rear wall of the boot space and the boot floor (due to rear wall). neither are structural and a C2 can be changed into a C4 or vice versa very simply via removal of a few spot welds, some seam sealer and switching two small panels.
the change in the rear boot wall on the C4 shell creates an empty space forward of the fuel tank where the diff can be placed.
the GT3/RS used this front end as the empty space for the diff allowed the fuel tank to be increased in capacity for endurance racing while meeting FIA rules. no part of the fuel tank can be ahead of the front axle.
the RHD cars see no benefit from this however since theres no large fuel tank made for the RHD configuration, it only exists in LHD.. theres no difference between a LHD and RHD shell either, its the steering column placement that makes the tanks left or right sided.

due to the ease with which the two front panels can be changed, C2 shells make the most sense as the basis for any narrow body reshell due to availability and price.
it is C2 shells that are used when reshelling 996 cups now since there are no new shells available from porsche anymore for this very reason.
for a RHD reshell there would be no point in changing the front panels so you could save yourself some time and money and only change the rear firewall and engine mount locations to pieces used for the GT3. on a LHD car you would need to change these two front panels also if you wanted to run the large tank, if you didnt you could similarly leave as is.

fwiw, have a look at the right A pillar area. this car looks like it could be less straightforward than it appears (and hence why its there rather than just been repaired quickly) though the low res/sized photos are hardly conclusive.


thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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fioran0 said:
fwiw, have a look at the right A pillar area. this car looks like it could be less straightforward than it appears (and hence why its there rather than just been repaired quickly) though the low res/sized photos are hardly conclusive.
I did notice that but wondered if simply the door wasn't shut right due to having a flat (or no) battery, hence windows not working.

I can't see that car being anywhere near needing a reshell either btw, as per my earlier comments.

Mankers

669 posts

199 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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I think that car belonged to a guy I know over here. It was the result of a track day aqua plane @ 80 mph. Was touch and go if it was to be written off in the end it was and insurance paid out.

sportsandclassic

3,774 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Mankers said:
I think that car belonged to a guy I know over here. It was the result of a track day aqua plane @ 80 mph. Was touch and go if it was to be written off in the end it was and insurance paid out.
So then it would be recorded ?

agtlaw

7,409 posts

236 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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spikeyhead said:
Cat C and d are applied by insurance companies.

If there's not an insurance claim then it doesn't get catagorized.
You can have a very large insurance claim and it isn't recorded as a 'cat' anything. Cat C or D means that the car was written off.

I've saved the photos and obtained the full chassis number of this car for future reference as i expect it'll eventually be on the market with 'minor bumper damage repaired'

elliot_holder

200 posts

219 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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If insurance has paid out, it would be very unusual for it to be uncategorised.

Only thing I can think is that maybe standalone track day insurance was used and maybe this works slightly differently to your normal road insurance???

Mankers

669 posts

199 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Not sure if recorded or not but it appears to be on a 'j' plate still so pretty sure it's the same car.

BertBert

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21,283 posts

241 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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agtlaw said:
You can have a very large insurance claim and it isn't recorded as a 'cat' anything. Cat C or D means that the car was written off.
That's confusing. Would the insurance pay out and the car not be repaired? I thought they only paid for the repairs or wrote the car off.
Bert