Gt2's GT3's RS's etc?
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I have a view based on experience of a 6GT3RS. My experience is that it works very well in both environments. In 4 years of ownership though, I did hardly any track driving with it. However I just loved it on the road as the most tactile, rewarding, feedback-giving car I have ever owned. So was it wasted with such little track time? Probably. Did it matter? Not for me.
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The air cooled RS's were good road/track cars.
The 6GT3 was acceptable for road, and also worked for track though the 6RS was sublime for tracks in hand of a good driver. Low mileage 6RS's suggests not so good for road use.
7.1GT3's better for road use than the 6GT3s IMO and & the 7.1 RS's more track focused than the 7 .1 GT3 but not sure if it as focused as 6RS.
7.2 GT3 is a great car for the road & fine for the track, but the 7.3 GT3RS is great for both IMO.
4.0RS is a great track car ( mega torque) but also OK for road IMO.
GT2 - Wonderful for road use, the GT2 RS is too awesome.
ALL IMO
The 6GT3 was acceptable for road, and also worked for track though the 6RS was sublime for tracks in hand of a good driver. Low mileage 6RS's suggests not so good for road use.
7.1GT3's better for road use than the 6GT3s IMO and & the 7.1 RS's more track focused than the 7 .1 GT3 but not sure if it as focused as 6RS.
7.2 GT3 is a great car for the road & fine for the track, but the 7.3 GT3RS is great for both IMO.
4.0RS is a great track car ( mega torque) but also OK for road IMO.
GT2 - Wonderful for road use, the GT2 RS is too awesome.
ALL IMO
doneitnow said:
So what are peoples thoughts/opinions on the above, do you consider them to be wasted if you are not planning on doing any track days in them? All feedback appreciated.
yeshowever, does that mean they aren't suitable for road use?, no. but their true potential is not tapped into if you don't use them on the track. in my opinion.
Interesting replies, thanks guys. My reason for asking is that I keep on looking at them but keep thinking about my Cayman 3.4s I currently drive, I absolutely love it but know that its true potential is not touched on the road(legally)and just keep asking myself how much more of a waste would one of the cars in question be if not tracking!!!! Then of course you throw into the equation if I wanted to do track days would I be better off buying a car solely for track use!
doneitnow said:
Interesting replies, thanks guys. My reason for asking is that I keep on looking at them but keep thinking about my Cayman 3.4s I currently drive, I absolutely love it but know that its true potential is not touched on the road(legally)and just keep asking myself how much more of a waste would one of the cars in question be if not tracking!!!! Then of course you throw into the equation if I wanted to do track days would I be better off buying a car solely for track use!
If you only want to do a few trackdays why not use the Cayman? Whilst researching my car I read ,
" A GT3 RS is a great track car with occasional use on the road and a GT3 is a great road car with occasional use on track"
pretty much summed it up for me. I would have no problem driving mine everyday but its just a weekend toy with a few trackdays and as such the clubsport ticks every box ( harnesses, alcantara,Racing seats, fire extinguisher and roll cage etc etc ).
Had I bought it for more road focused driving like the commute or similar then I would have gone for the comfort spec.
just my 2 pence worth
" A GT3 RS is a great track car with occasional use on the road and a GT3 is a great road car with occasional use on track"
pretty much summed it up for me. I would have no problem driving mine everyday but its just a weekend toy with a few trackdays and as such the clubsport ticks every box ( harnesses, alcantara,Racing seats, fire extinguisher and roll cage etc etc ).
Had I bought it for more road focused driving like the commute or similar then I would have gone for the comfort spec.
just my 2 pence worth
doneitnow said:
Interesting replies, thanks guys. My reason for asking is that I keep on looking at them but keep thinking about my Cayman 3.4s I currently drive, I absolutely love it but know that its true potential is not touched on the road(legally)and just keep asking myself how much more of a waste would one of the cars in question be if not tracking!!!! Then of course you throw into the equation if I wanted to do track days would I be better off buying a car solely for track use!
... and now having seen that I would track the cayman and see how I got on. Forget jumping into a GT3 until you "outgrow" the cayman. Doing the sort of driving I think you do the GT3 would not offer you anything better than the cayman UNTIL you pushed the limits, which by your own admission you don`t do.doneitnow said:
So what are peoples thoughts/opinions on the above, do you consider them to be wasted if you are not planning on doing any track days in them? All feedback appreciated.
They would not be wasted to only be driven on the road, but I would contend that it is morally wrong to have one and not drive it on a track 
doneitnow said:
Interesting replies, thanks guys. My reason for asking is that I keep on looking at them but keep thinking about my Cayman 3.4s I currently drive, I absolutely love it but know that its true potential is not touched on the road(legally)and just keep asking myself how much more of a waste would one of the cars in question be if not tracking!!!! Then of course you throw into the equation if I wanted to do track days would I be better off buying a car solely for track use!
i am in the same boat although i just look at GTX cars. would you honestly track a Gt3 RS and use it occasionally for the road? how many track days are we talking here? considering the cost, isn't it better to just buy a track car? it isn't an RS or even a GT3, so no snob points but you'd prolly drive it harder and spend way less maintaining it.I went from Cayman S to 997.1 GT3.
I wouldn't have sold the Cayman S for at least another year (had it for 2 years) but moved country so used the opportunity to trade up to a GT3.
Completely different cars, and comlpetely different driving experiences. The Cayman is a great everyday alrounder, balanced handling and looked good. The GT3 engine is on another level, the rear engine balance needs practise and experience to master, the car looks fantastic in my eyes, although it's defo not as usable as a cayman (or a normal carerra or turbo 911 even), scrapes on speedbumps, and the heavy clutch can grind if you sit in traffic (I don't).
I used my GT3 as an everyday car for over a year, until I got a second car. It became less special using it everyday, and started to grate when popping out to do some shopping or parking at hotels and nervously handing the keys to valet parkers (common in Dubai to valet park) when no other option presented itself. Now I use it on the odd day going to work and on weekend drives/track, it's fantastico.
Couldn't recommend it more to be honest, but go into it with open eyes. Also consumables will cost more on the GT3 (brakes/tyres etc...). I managed about 4,000 miles on my last set of rear cup sports, and at £350 to £400 each it adds up. I also got a clutch done at around 20k miles or so, not because the other one was worn out, but I had a rear main seal oil leak (covered by warranty), so with gearbox out I just did a preventative clutch change. Without flywheel parts were about £1k, flywheel another £1k (I didn't need a new one) and fitting would have cost another £1k or so probably. Factor things like this in....
I wouldn't have sold the Cayman S for at least another year (had it for 2 years) but moved country so used the opportunity to trade up to a GT3.
Completely different cars, and comlpetely different driving experiences. The Cayman is a great everyday alrounder, balanced handling and looked good. The GT3 engine is on another level, the rear engine balance needs practise and experience to master, the car looks fantastic in my eyes, although it's defo not as usable as a cayman (or a normal carerra or turbo 911 even), scrapes on speedbumps, and the heavy clutch can grind if you sit in traffic (I don't).
I used my GT3 as an everyday car for over a year, until I got a second car. It became less special using it everyday, and started to grate when popping out to do some shopping or parking at hotels and nervously handing the keys to valet parkers (common in Dubai to valet park) when no other option presented itself. Now I use it on the odd day going to work and on weekend drives/track, it's fantastico.
Couldn't recommend it more to be honest, but go into it with open eyes. Also consumables will cost more on the GT3 (brakes/tyres etc...). I managed about 4,000 miles on my last set of rear cup sports, and at £350 to £400 each it adds up. I also got a clutch done at around 20k miles or so, not because the other one was worn out, but I had a rear main seal oil leak (covered by warranty), so with gearbox out I just did a preventative clutch change. Without flywheel parts were about £1k, flywheel another £1k (I didn't need a new one) and fitting would have cost another £1k or so probably. Factor things like this in....
HokumPokum said:
i am in the same boat although i just look at GTX cars. would you honestly track a Gt3 RS and use it occasionally for the road? how many track days are we talking here? considering the cost, isn't it better to just buy a track car? it isn't an RS or even a GT3, so no snob points but you'd prolly drive it harder and spend way less maintaining it.
Some very valid points. Not worried about snob value, I bought the Cayman S because I loved the drive so could easily go down the route of a track day only car, I even have a van and trailer already so would help lol, so what would people be opting for as a sole track day car if they were in the market?I can only comment on the 997.1 GT3 - but it's an amazing machine that feels special as soon as you turn the key!
Although I have a daily driver, I've brought mine into work today, just for a quick adrenaline hit! The ride is stiff, but it's beautifully damped, never troubling the bump stops even under huge compressions at speed.
The acceleration (from THAT engine) provides a huge hit as you see, hear and feel it exceed 8,000rpm with a spine tingling howl; but it's flexible, tractable and (off full load / below 3,000rpm), quiet enough to hold a conversation without raising your voice.
The brakes inspire huge confidence to carry speed into corners and the turn in is far sharper than any "cooking" models. Grip levels are equally high, but as others have said, you do need to manage the chassis balance. Trail brake into the apex of corners and feed in the power until you feel the rear load up - then boot it - utilising the huge traction it generates.
The only real annoyance for me is that front splitter, with you do seem to catch everywhere, but I can live with that! I'm even averaging 22mpg - which is the same as my 997 C2S delivered in my hands!
MM.
Although I have a daily driver, I've brought mine into work today, just for a quick adrenaline hit! The ride is stiff, but it's beautifully damped, never troubling the bump stops even under huge compressions at speed.
The acceleration (from THAT engine) provides a huge hit as you see, hear and feel it exceed 8,000rpm with a spine tingling howl; but it's flexible, tractable and (off full load / below 3,000rpm), quiet enough to hold a conversation without raising your voice.
The brakes inspire huge confidence to carry speed into corners and the turn in is far sharper than any "cooking" models. Grip levels are equally high, but as others have said, you do need to manage the chassis balance. Trail brake into the apex of corners and feed in the power until you feel the rear load up - then boot it - utilising the huge traction it generates.
The only real annoyance for me is that front splitter, with you do seem to catch everywhere, but I can live with that! I'm even averaging 22mpg - which is the same as my 997 C2S delivered in my hands!
MM.
Callughan said:
The front lip can be annoying on speed bumps, rear cage makes rear vision poor, on RS clutch rattle in traffic can be annoying or cool. But guess it's all worth it for all the other moments that these cars can provide
Poor rear vision?! Rubbish!! You have a perfect view of the cage as you're driving your bewinged beast! It does add to the theatrics of the experience. I found rear visibility to be fine. It was actually handy having the cage as it blocked some direct headlight beams.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff