Ouch... Porka Ring Crash 2012-06-27, anyone here?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXzMJHiPv7U&fea...
Its a 997 (Plate EJ09UKT), loses it just before Schwedenkreuz. Considering the speed it looks like they got off lightly (as did the camera car).
Its a 997 (Plate EJ09UKT), loses it just before Schwedenkreuz. Considering the speed it looks like they got off lightly (as did the camera car).
raptor600 said:
Lost control over the brow of the hill I imagine?
Yuppy, its flat out after Flugplatz there. My little Cayman can hit 130mph so the 997 would have been going at some speed. Generally they should have been lining up for the left-hander (after the hill as Oola mentioned) towards Aremberg (which is a very slow right-hander). I am wondering if the Porsche driver lifted off and/or tried to steer around the camera car, unsettling the Porka. Either way both cars were pretty lucky as its some serious speed there. Edited by redback911 on Wednesday 4th July 12:02
redback911 said:
Generally they should have been lining up for the left-hander
Exactly! Looks to me as if the 997 driver initiated his overtaking manouevre way too late for positioning his car correctly before Schwedenkreuz corner and then he panicked arriving at the bump - in the vid it looks as if he is even on the brakes further unsettling the car.Edited by PorscheJeck on Wednesday 4th July 13:07
hornbaek said:
This is why I would never ever drive on the Ring on public days.....
You are missing out then. Hooligans are in the minority, I've seen far worse driving on closed trackdays at the 'Ring.http://goo.gl/4u2hx
just before the brow is a vicious bump and ideally you back off before and hit it straight (as the camera car did) otherwise it punts you straight into oversteer while your probably doing 130-140. I made the mistake of keeping it pinned once and learnt real quick not to do that again...I think its the most dangerous part of the track.
What person in their right mind driving what seems to be a ROAD SPEC Car (MUCH different to a Track / Race Prep. Car) overtakes another slower moving car at that speed in such a position - only a Nutcase!
He was driving too fast given the other traffic on the circuit at the time and was totally inconsiderate - remember this car is to all intents and purposes a road car and as we all know they don't behave exacly as we'd like on circuit do they !
MF
He was driving too fast given the other traffic on the circuit at the time and was totally inconsiderate - remember this car is to all intents and purposes a road car and as we all know they don't behave exacly as we'd like on circuit do they !
MF
MrFreight said:
What person in their right mind driving what seems to be a ROAD SPEC Car (MUCH different to a Track / Race Prep. Car) overtakes another slower moving car at that speed in such a position - only a Nutcase!
Just for comparison purposes 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt-YAyNaouI
...not really recommended unless you're behind the wheel of a proper race car, have a 4 digit number of laps under your belt and have balls of steel
PorscheJeck said:
Just for comparison purposes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt-YAyNaouI
...not really recommended unless you're behind the wheel of a proper race car, have a 4 digit number of laps under your belt and have balls of steel
Cool, actually very instructive. You can definitely see/hear the lift-off (even so, they were still doing 170 mph).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt-YAyNaouI
...not really recommended unless you're behind the wheel of a proper race car, have a 4 digit number of laps under your belt and have balls of steel
Just checked my own recent laps ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbNWOs_ddgY - 2:30ish) and I also lift off just before the bump. The key seems to be keeping it straight and anticipation of the weight change.
Scratch that. Pulled up my Ring Tuition Notes from March 21st, 2001. (Old School):
- Quiddelbacher Hohe (3rd Gear)
Turn-in is at left slip road after hump, dab brakes in wet, maybe lift-off in dry, dependent on speed, constant radius double right hander into Flugplatz.
- Flugplatz (4th, 5th, 6th Gear)
Two left handers, very dangerous in wet, balanced throttle control. After second downhill left hander line car up on left and diagonal line across track after tarmac change to brow of hill. Lift off before brow of hill, position key as track changes direction just after the brow. Brake and turn in for Schwedenkreuz, leave gear change until Aremberg.
- Schwedenkreuz (5th/6th Gear)
Left hander is fast (180-200) keep close to curb and be ready for slight steering adjustment in dips, quick down change into braking zone for right hander Aremberg.
-Aremberg (2nd Gear)
Turn-in, look for tarmac patch to gauge right line. Use curbs at and after apex, exit turn and head for hut. Turn-in for left hander only after slight hump. Downhill sections lead into Fuchsrohre, minimize steering keep car as straight as possible.
Edited by redback911 on Wednesday 4th July 13:52
redback911 said:
The key seems to be keeping it straight and anticipation of the weight change.
Yes, absolutely! Actually you do not really have to lift off before the bump as long as you keep the car straight and accept your role as a "passenger" until the car has settled again after the bump. Though in very fast road cars á lá GT2 the challenge is that you have very few time and space between the settling of the car, the necessary hard braking manouvre thereafter and the subsequent turn-in for the Schwedenkreuz left. It all has to happen within the blink of an eye - kind of racing choreography. Hence it's a good idea to lift off before the bump to gain some safety - even more so during public days as you never know what to expect behind the Schwedenkreuz lefthander. And if you arrive there very fast getting forced to lift off due to "obstacles" in the race line, then you are in trouble - especially in a rear-engined car.@ HoHoHo: not the same corner (Flugplatz is just one before Schwedenkreuz) and no driver's fault - text says that a part of the suspension broke....
Edited by PorscheJeck on Wednesday 4th July 14:03
Edited by PorscheJeck on Wednesday 4th July 14:36
PorscheJeck said:
...Actually you do not really have to lift off before the bump as long as you keep the car straight and accept your role as a "passenger" until the car has settled again after the bump...
In my 911/360, I lift before the bump because the speed is so high and I factor in the safety margin, in a rental Swift/Golf/Scirocco, you don't need to lift until the car settles after the bump.
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