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Scroll down to the red one for £22k. Nice but doesn't mention suspension.
If he's not tracking it suspension only adds £2k on including new bushes throughout. I don't mean on this car necessarily, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
http://www.eporsch.co.uk/index.htm
ETA - Wrong wheels though and I hate see calipers painted red when they aren't Big Reds.
If he's not tracking it suspension only adds £2k on including new bushes throughout. I don't mean on this car necessarily, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
http://www.eporsch.co.uk/index.htm
ETA - Wrong wheels though and I hate see calipers painted red when they aren't Big Reds.
marky911 said:
Scroll down to the red one for £22k. Nice but doesn't mention suspension.
If he's not tracking it suspension only adds £2k on including new bushes throughout. I don't mean on this car necessarily, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
http://www.eporsch.co.uk/index.htm
ETA - Wrong wheels though and I hate see calipers painted red when they aren't Big Reds.
I spotted that car and nice low miles. As u say doesn't mention suspension. I think all in all that may stretch he's budget. If he's not tracking it suspension only adds £2k on including new bushes throughout. I don't mean on this car necessarily, but it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
http://www.eporsch.co.uk/index.htm
ETA - Wrong wheels though and I hate see calipers painted red when they aren't Big Reds.
There must be more cars by owners on here with g pipe and owned by a real enthusiast
"top end rebuild" is now thrown around like "fsh" as something you must have.
As the previous owner of my 964 pointed out, how many places doing them are screwing the bits back together as well as the factory? Some no doubt but not all.
My 964 has not had one and according to GT One does not need one. I'm happier that way.
Joel
As the previous owner of my 964 pointed out, how many places doing them are screwing the bits back together as well as the factory? Some no doubt but not all.
My 964 has not had one and according to GT One does not need one. I'm happier that way.
Joel
barchetta_boy said:
"top end rebuild" is now thrown around like "fsh" as something you must have.
As the previous owner of my 964 pointed out, how many places doing them are screwing the bits back together as well as the factory? Some no doubt but not all.
My 964 has not had one and according to GT One does not need one. I'm happier that way.
Joel
Correct 100%. Finding a C2 is difficult, finding one in a specific colour with xyz works done is totally unrealistic unless you have big money and a broker to source. Better imo to find a nice car at a reasonable price and have the work done yourself as and when it is needed. As the previous owner of my 964 pointed out, how many places doing them are screwing the bits back together as well as the factory? Some no doubt but not all.
My 964 has not had one and according to GT One does not need one. I'm happier that way.
Joel
Agree to a point BB, but like it or not they will all need a rebuild one day. There are loads of reasons why, which I can't be arsed to go into, as I'm actually sickening myself of 964s at the minute.
If you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
I would and am considering a car that hasn't had a rebuild but it would need to be mega cheap. It's not just the cost involved it's the hassle, plus you just don't know how bad things are until you get in there.
Just one example of a 964 trait (besides the worn valves, rings, etc) is this -
The bases of the cylinders have rubber O rings in them where they sit on the crankcases. These ALWAYS go brittle over time. When they break up, they stay in place as they can't escape anywhere, however oil can get past and that's where a lot of the leaks can come from. Then there's the through-bolts, etc, etc. When you lift the barrels off the cases come rebuild time, the old O rings fall out into little bits.
Things just wear out through time as much as mileage.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread off topic, the OP wants a car not a list of the faults he's no doubt read about before.
PS. As for the engines not being rebuilt as good as the factory, they can easily be better and include better parts, eg later headstuds, etc.
All just my opinion but I certainly think Engine health is 1st or 2nd on the list when 964 shopping. It's between that and rust for 1st on the list.
If you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
I would and am considering a car that hasn't had a rebuild but it would need to be mega cheap. It's not just the cost involved it's the hassle, plus you just don't know how bad things are until you get in there.
Just one example of a 964 trait (besides the worn valves, rings, etc) is this -
The bases of the cylinders have rubber O rings in them where they sit on the crankcases. These ALWAYS go brittle over time. When they break up, they stay in place as they can't escape anywhere, however oil can get past and that's where a lot of the leaks can come from. Then there's the through-bolts, etc, etc. When you lift the barrels off the cases come rebuild time, the old O rings fall out into little bits.
Things just wear out through time as much as mileage.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread off topic, the OP wants a car not a list of the faults he's no doubt read about before.
PS. As for the engines not being rebuilt as good as the factory, they can easily be better and include better parts, eg later headstuds, etc.
All just my opinion but I certainly think Engine health is 1st or 2nd on the list when 964 shopping. It's between that and rust for 1st on the list.
Edited by marky911 on Tuesday 21st February 09:32
marky911 said:
Agree to a point BB, but like it or not they will all need a rebuild one day. There are loads of reasons why, which I can't be arsed to go into, as I'm actually sickening myself of 964s at the minute.
If you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
I would and am considering a car that hasn't had a rebuild but it would need to be mega cheap. It's not just the cost involved it's the hassle, plus you just don't know how bad things are until you get in there.
Just one example of a 964 trait (besides the worn valves, rings, etc) is this -
The bases of the cylinders have rubber O rings in them where they sit on the crankcases. These ALWAYS go brittle over time. When they break up, they stay in place as they can't escape anywhere, however oil can get past and that's where a lot of the leaks can come from. Then there's the through-bolts, etc, etc. When you lift the barrels off the cases come rebuild time, the old O rings fall out into little bits.
Things just wear out through time as much as mileage.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread off topic, the OP wants a car not a list of the faults he's no doubt read about before.
PS. As for the engines not being rebuilt as good as the factory, they can easily be better and include better parts, eg later headstuds, etc.
All just my opinion but I certainly think Engine health is 1st or 2nd on the list when 964 shopping. It's between that and rust for 1st on the list.
Topend rebuild will be something hes looking for i imagine. If he has to wait to tail end of the year then he will. He pretty relaxedIf you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
I would and am considering a car that hasn't had a rebuild but it would need to be mega cheap. It's not just the cost involved it's the hassle, plus you just don't know how bad things are until you get in there.
Just one example of a 964 trait (besides the worn valves, rings, etc) is this -
The bases of the cylinders have rubber O rings in them where they sit on the crankcases. These ALWAYS go brittle over time. When they break up, they stay in place as they can't escape anywhere, however oil can get past and that's where a lot of the leaks can come from. Then there's the through-bolts, etc, etc. When you lift the barrels off the cases come rebuild time, the old O rings fall out into little bits.
Things just wear out through time as much as mileage.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread off topic, the OP wants a car not a list of the faults he's no doubt read about before.
PS. As for the engines not being rebuilt as good as the factory, they can easily be better and include better parts, eg later headstuds, etc.
All just my opinion but I certainly think Engine health is 1st or 2nd on the list when 964 shopping. It's between that and rust for 1st on the list.
Edited by marky911 on Tuesday 21st February 09:32
Just be wary about 'top end rebuild' claims. Study the paperwork carefully. Mine had a top end rebuild before I bought it. It was a big factor for me deciding to buy it. But I was naive about 964s back then. It turned out to not be worth the paper it was written on and was basically a sticking plaster job. Many of the key items Marky mentions hadn't been done. I lived with it for 3 years and then had the full rebuild done. Properly this time by an independent that knows what they're doing.
p.s. A properly rebuilt 964 engine is a thing of joy.
p.s. A properly rebuilt 964 engine is a thing of joy.
boxsey said:
Just be wary about 'top end rebuild' claims. Study the paperwork carefully. Mine had a top end rebuild before I bought it. It was a big factor for me deciding to buy it. But I was naive about 964s back then. It turned out to not be worth the paper it was written on and was basically a sticking plaster job. Many of the key items Marky mentions hadn't been done. I lived with it for 3 years and then had the full rebuild done. Properly this time by an independent that knows what they're doing.
p.s. A properly rebuilt 964 engine is a thing of joy.
big fan of you r car boxeyp.s. A properly rebuilt 964 engine is a thing of joy.
marky911 said:
Agree to a point BB, but like it or not they will all need a rebuild one day. There are loads of reasons why, which I can't be arsed to go into, as I'm actually sickening myself of 964s at the minute.
If you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
Absolutely right, I guess I'm lucky, mine is relatively low mileage (85k). It does have some weeps, but in my indie's opinion nowhere near needing a full rebuild. I use GT One by the way. If you have been assured your engine is 100% sound then that's great news, but your car is in the minority as far as cars on their original engines not requiring work yet.
Edited by marky911 on Tuesday 21st February 09:32
Joel
I bought my 964 without a top end rebuild. I didn't want to or plan to, but all the other boxes were ticked and there actually appears to be very little wrong with the engine. I know there is likely to be a big bill somewhere in the future but I really don't know if its going to be in 6 months or 6 years. At least when it does need doing, I can make sure it is done 100% to my satisfaction, and I'll have all the benefits of a newly rebuilt engine. My point is - consider all factors before ruling out a car just because it hasn't had a rebuild. Especially if, as Marky says - it's cheap! It's interesting that you say not galactic mileage but with a rebuild. How much does it really matter what the mileage is if the condition is good and its had a recent rebuild?
Also, lowered suspension is a bit of a vague feature. You can slap some cheap lowering springs on 20 year old suspension for a few hundred quid, or you spend a few grand on a fully adjustable KW or Bilstein setup. The latter is so far removed from the former they're not even comparable. Worth considering when weighing up the value.
Also, lowered suspension is a bit of a vague feature. You can slap some cheap lowering springs on 20 year old suspension for a few hundred quid, or you spend a few grand on a fully adjustable KW or Bilstein setup. The latter is so far removed from the former they're not even comparable. Worth considering when weighing up the value.
Oil leaks are self evident in their severity e.g weeps from timing chain covers are common and of no real concern. Rings if badly worn will generally have poor compression and/or the engine will smoke a little. Valve guide ware (exhaust normally) can be checked when the exhaust is dropped. You can fairly easily see troubles, and certainly a good indi will.
If an engine is ok, and considering most cars cover <5k per year now, it could be many years before work of any kind is needed. Unlike their water cooler cousins, they give ample warning of impending work.
If an engine is ok, and considering most cars cover <5k per year now, it could be many years before work of any kind is needed. Unlike their water cooler cousins, they give ample warning of impending work.
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