Alfa Romeo GTV (916) - Azzurro Nuvola
Discussion
My wife has bought this...
...you know the rest!
Two months ago she arrived home from work and stated:
"I've just seen a fantastic looking small sports car - it has a severe slash front to rear, tiny lights and the most incredible light blue paint"
Keen for any automotive challenge, I poured a glass of screenwash and fired up the automotive image search databases. After some cul de sacs of Fiat Coupe, MGF, Alfa SZ and I think even TVR T350, we found it - the Alfa Romeo GTV, in iridescent Azzurro Nuvola. Phew.
As the sore subject of ULEZ exempt fleet replacements are a regular Friday debate, I was somewhat surprised to find out the Twinspark flavour of the 916 was exempt. Sadly, this colour was the key - no attempted prodding to metallic greens, Zoe yellow or more populous colours was entertained. I read a few buyer's guides, although my stacks of AlfaOwner magasine and passing interest in the V6 versions over the years gave me a decently grounded starting point, and settled to occasionally strafing the market.
Last week one appeared at a dealer in Leicester. On the pricey end (twinsparks are always less than 2k, right?), but one steady stare from Mrs Spinakerr and our Saturday morning schedule was confirmed.
There was only one vehicle to take, of course...the 164.
Great seller, specialised in Jags but had a few Alfas and we struck up a good rapport.
The car was a bit of a contradiction. It may be easier to list the main points in classic Pros and Cons style.
Pros:
New gearbox.
New discs, pads, calipers and flexis all round.
New exhaust, cat back.
Generally rot free on floorpan and sills (from my ground level prodding).
Engine and ancilliaries in all working order.
Lusso spec with ivory leather, and blue interior (the 164 nodded enthusiastically at this)
Working air con. Yes, really.
Last owner 19 years with many, many things done and 70k on the clock.
Cons:
Tired suspension, nothing missing but spring pans, arms, bushes and springs all need doing.
Cat D as bonnet had been meowed. No crash damange evidence, respray is 7/10 but at least it looks OK at 5 paces.
Tyres are some disastrous unherd of hobnobs from the Ditchfinder General.
Evidence of previous water ingress in A pillar trims.
Some evidence of carefless jacking, but nothing that has seriously upset the sills or galvinised floorpan.
Oh and it comes with a stack of paperwork:
Anyway, forget the hard facts, check out that colour in the gorgeous sunlight!
The prospective buyer took it for a solid test drive, and all seemed well. Note the dealer arrive in a ratehr eye catching Maserati 4200:
I was surprised the suspension behaved as well as it did given the obvious age of the bushes, but the engine was in good health and the clutch & gearchange slick. When the air con froze us solid the seed was fully sown, and I couldn't stop a polite but firm negotiation to bring it down to a more realistic purchase price.
Deal done, I had the pleasure of following it all the way home. WIthout air con. In my black car with black interior.
Two hours later, the report was positive, but after this long day and searing sunlight, Glastonbury and beer now beckons... much more to follow, naturally!
To address some perfectly normal PH and Alfa questions:
1. Tyres will be binned with the slight dull alloys, teledials or other options under review.
2. Yes, it definitiely is ULEZ exempt. Believe me, we checked a few times.
3. The spoiler is staying, as the wife states it is perfect as a coffee rest in the morning when arriving at work. Plus I have form buying an ALfa with a spoiler, always thinking it will be removed and actually never do and then just accept it, like a wonky toenail, as something I won't be able to change.
4. No, its not the 3ltr V6. This will be dailied.
5. I know, since when did twinsparks cost more that 12 shillings and sixpence? In my day.. ten a penny...etc.
...you know the rest!
Two months ago she arrived home from work and stated:
"I've just seen a fantastic looking small sports car - it has a severe slash front to rear, tiny lights and the most incredible light blue paint"
Keen for any automotive challenge, I poured a glass of screenwash and fired up the automotive image search databases. After some cul de sacs of Fiat Coupe, MGF, Alfa SZ and I think even TVR T350, we found it - the Alfa Romeo GTV, in iridescent Azzurro Nuvola. Phew.
As the sore subject of ULEZ exempt fleet replacements are a regular Friday debate, I was somewhat surprised to find out the Twinspark flavour of the 916 was exempt. Sadly, this colour was the key - no attempted prodding to metallic greens, Zoe yellow or more populous colours was entertained. I read a few buyer's guides, although my stacks of AlfaOwner magasine and passing interest in the V6 versions over the years gave me a decently grounded starting point, and settled to occasionally strafing the market.
Last week one appeared at a dealer in Leicester. On the pricey end (twinsparks are always less than 2k, right?), but one steady stare from Mrs Spinakerr and our Saturday morning schedule was confirmed.
There was only one vehicle to take, of course...the 164.
Great seller, specialised in Jags but had a few Alfas and we struck up a good rapport.
The car was a bit of a contradiction. It may be easier to list the main points in classic Pros and Cons style.
Pros:
New gearbox.
New discs, pads, calipers and flexis all round.
New exhaust, cat back.
Generally rot free on floorpan and sills (from my ground level prodding).
Engine and ancilliaries in all working order.
Lusso spec with ivory leather, and blue interior (the 164 nodded enthusiastically at this)
Working air con. Yes, really.
Last owner 19 years with many, many things done and 70k on the clock.
Cons:
Tired suspension, nothing missing but spring pans, arms, bushes and springs all need doing.
Cat D as bonnet had been meowed. No crash damange evidence, respray is 7/10 but at least it looks OK at 5 paces.
Tyres are some disastrous unherd of hobnobs from the Ditchfinder General.
Evidence of previous water ingress in A pillar trims.
Some evidence of carefless jacking, but nothing that has seriously upset the sills or galvinised floorpan.
Oh and it comes with a stack of paperwork:
Anyway, forget the hard facts, check out that colour in the gorgeous sunlight!
The prospective buyer took it for a solid test drive, and all seemed well. Note the dealer arrive in a ratehr eye catching Maserati 4200:
I was surprised the suspension behaved as well as it did given the obvious age of the bushes, but the engine was in good health and the clutch & gearchange slick. When the air con froze us solid the seed was fully sown, and I couldn't stop a polite but firm negotiation to bring it down to a more realistic purchase price.
Deal done, I had the pleasure of following it all the way home. WIthout air con. In my black car with black interior.
Two hours later, the report was positive, but after this long day and searing sunlight, Glastonbury and beer now beckons... much more to follow, naturally!
To address some perfectly normal PH and Alfa questions:
1. Tyres will be binned with the slight dull alloys, teledials or other options under review.
2. Yes, it definitiely is ULEZ exempt. Believe me, we checked a few times.
3. The spoiler is staying, as the wife states it is perfect as a coffee rest in the morning when arriving at work. Plus I have form buying an ALfa with a spoiler, always thinking it will be removed and actually never do and then just accept it, like a wonky toenail, as something I won't be able to change.
4. No, its not the 3ltr V6. This will be dailied.
5. I know, since when did twinsparks cost more that 12 shillings and sixpence? In my day.. ten a penny...etc.
Edited by Spinakerr on Saturday 24th June 19:45
Thanks everyone! So far so good - I managed a bit more of a poke about this morning before the sun reached Frank Herbert levels, and the list is building steadily of jobs to do.
Yes, teledials are top of the list, along with service items and mats, but some Alfa forum bothering shows the 16in versions, which I want for bigger tyre wall, are for a 156 and so need 10mm spacers. I have never used spacers. Has anyone suggestions for items that are actually decent? The 17in version for the GTV is pricey and I have very little time for bigger allows amid the wild wasteland of the roads we frequent.
Interior is a treat - if you can ignore the tired a and b pillar trims - great layout and the contrasting ivory leather (Momo seats, dontchaknow) wiht the dark blue carpets and trim is a soothing combination.
Cue 'back seats have never been used' useless used car guff.
Gearknob resembles the contents of a conpic jar, so that will be going shortly.
Naturally, various clips and screws are missing, but nothing essential to operation.
Last but not least, you know its going to be a satisfying first wash when there's this kind of dirt amidst the badges...
Everything works. Everything. Under the bonnet, aside from a noisy clackety start up of a probable variator or some such, it runs very smoothly. All fluids spot on after 3 hrs driving so far. The only drops were from the working air con compressor...water... phew!
Another year or so to go on the cambelt:
I drove it for 40 minutes today through all speeds on a nice open road and my wife is right - it drives superbly. Clutch is light, gears are absolutely lovely, steering sharp and there is not a single untoward sound from the suspension. Despite its age, I have to admit this little Alfa is smoother at low speeds on the London wastelands than the 164...
Yes, teledials are top of the list, along with service items and mats, but some Alfa forum bothering shows the 16in versions, which I want for bigger tyre wall, are for a 156 and so need 10mm spacers. I have never used spacers. Has anyone suggestions for items that are actually decent? The 17in version for the GTV is pricey and I have very little time for bigger allows amid the wild wasteland of the roads we frequent.
Interior is a treat - if you can ignore the tired a and b pillar trims - great layout and the contrasting ivory leather (Momo seats, dontchaknow) wiht the dark blue carpets and trim is a soothing combination.
Cue 'back seats have never been used' useless used car guff.
Gearknob resembles the contents of a conpic jar, so that will be going shortly.
Naturally, various clips and screws are missing, but nothing essential to operation.
Last but not least, you know its going to be a satisfying first wash when there's this kind of dirt amidst the badges...
Everything works. Everything. Under the bonnet, aside from a noisy clackety start up of a probable variator or some such, it runs very smoothly. All fluids spot on after 3 hrs driving so far. The only drops were from the working air con compressor...water... phew!
Another year or so to go on the cambelt:
I drove it for 40 minutes today through all speeds on a nice open road and my wife is right - it drives superbly. Clutch is light, gears are absolutely lovely, steering sharp and there is not a single untoward sound from the suspension. Despite its age, I have to admit this little Alfa is smoother at low speeds on the London wastelands than the 164...
tvrfan007 said:
Are you on 6 cars now or has something dearly departed ? 99, 900, 164, gtv, 75 and zt? Do you not like cars with names? 
I know you intended to release the 75 but not sure I follow the soap opera on the others! In for the win anyway.
Is 6 cars not normal? Oh... well... erm (shuffles notes, sips water...) the 75 is due to go once we find a person that will take it one with similar enthusiasm. The 164 is ULEZ ensnared, so will be heading for semi-retirement in the wilds of Dorset with a friend. The 99 will stay with us as exempt, the MG ZTT 260 is not leaving the driveway and is exempt, but the Saab 900 Turbo will be heading off to Somerset for some... work. Extensive, cutty, weldy types of work. That will take a long time.I know you intended to release the 75 but not sure I follow the soap opera on the others! In for the win anyway.
waynedear said:
That is indeed a pretty thing, I thing my gtv count is 9, 7 twinsparks, I had variator rebuild success twice with new spring and washer.
Made a removal tool from a ford focus bonnet hinge.
You probably know... Boot release in the glovebox.
I may be posting up questions here directly for you! I've seen this rebuild and the kit and am keen to have a go, maybe with a slightly earlier cambelt replacement if the noise gets worse. On startup I does dound more like a manifold ticking, towards the front of the engine, so some more investigation is required.Made a removal tool from a ford focus bonnet hinge.
You probably know... Boot release in the glovebox.
My wife pressed the GTV into duty the past two weeks for a few trips, and we're getting a bt more of an idea of the car. Immediate items include a fuel whiff in the cabin, but otherwise 'daily operation' at all speeds reports no issues. Significant heavy traffic on Friday as she was at the Hampton Court in blazing heat - coolant remained normal, fans behaved correctly and air con is still cold. Phew. A recent family wedding in the New Forest required two Alfas, naturally, followed by a convoy to a gig in Wasing forest estate.
For the fuel smell, Alfa forums pointed to seals at the fuel pump and breathers, which are in the boot, so I carefully uncovered some carpet. There has either been a batter or fuel leak here in the past, so I made an effort to clean up as much as possible.
At least its a decent battery, unlike every other used car. More trim unclippage later...
Not looking its best! Everything was tight except the blue 'spout' at the top left of the picture - a knowledgeable Alfa Owner member said if you moved this and it hissed, the breather was not tight. Sure enough, mine immitated the snake in the Jungle Book. Luckily, it had just worked itself loose - some careful pressure sured it back in tightly, you can see one a 'spot the difference' level the amount of blue tube visible in the top left has changed.
Everything else seemed vague in order, so I have it a quick clean and dust, and turned my attention to the engine bay.
It is at this point that my Cloverleaf luck wilted.
At purchase I noticed an intake elbow (60658050) had more cracks than a flat earther's manifesto on tectonic plates, so ordered a replacement from EB Spares (great people).
Having clocked the significant crusty bolts tired plastic for the convulted air intake assembly, I thoguht I would just take a few bits more apart to renew my shopping list...
In summary - the box is toast, al the brackets are hobnob level, ever screw is a mess and it seems to have been epoxied and bodged every which way. The filter is at least Alfa, but a quick tap released Gormanghast levels of dust.
When was the last time you saw a rusty filter?
Underneath of the elbow was even more ruined than the top!
Oh well, could have been worse. But I do wonder why someone spent quite so much time bodging this misery back together rather than spending £50 on a good used one.
I cleaned the intake butterfly with carb cleaner, used MAF cleaner on the (newish) Bosch MAF and noted down all the part numbers for eBay scouring.
I dispensed with those hideous clamps for Jubilee variants, and noted the new hose doesn't have the locator holes in the right place.
Luckily, this should all be quite a satifying rebuild and at least the car is running fine. I expect this will be the least of my troubles if this is any indication of the maintenance effort.
Edited by Spinakerr on Sunday 9th July 10:52
ST270 said:
Cracking car and thread.
Any excuse to post up my old car - regret selling it, the sound was addictive.
When my rear suspension began to squeak I had the lot polybushed and it really tightens up the car (just for future reference)
Any excuse to post up my old car - regret selling it, the sound was addictive.
When my rear suspension began to squeak I had the lot polybushed and it really tightens up the car (just for future reference)
Jhonno said:
Really like a GTV! That looks lovely!
I wouldn't get too caught up with the idea of 17's being big personally.. I suspect they have to run 225/45 (?!) tyres which actually are a decent sidewall in today's world..
Thanks - that does look wonderful on the teledials... alas I think budget is going to be spent on other parts and a decent set of boots for the current wheels. Plus, the owner has been looking at the options and quite likes both the current 'softer' set and the latter 'teardrops'.I wouldn't get too caught up with the idea of 17's being big personally.. I suspect they have to run 225/45 (?!) tyres which actually are a decent sidewall in today's world..
Suspension is definitely in the crosshairs, but we have been pleasantly surprised so far how the current (largely original) setup is working correctly!
ajb85 said:
Watching anything GTV related with interest as I am currently considering one of these (in V6 form) or an R129 Mercedes SL320. Two very different cars, granted. It will probably boil down to which presents itself soonest, in the right condition, at the right money, and without having to swap ends of the country to buy it.
I agree with your point on prices rising when years gone by these cars were for peanuts; the iffy reputation Alfa have been synonymous with for decades in the UK has guaranteed ruinous depreciation. Twin spark 156s for example were everywhere, picked up handily, drove so nicely and are now so scarce. I've owned Alfas, loved them all (they didn't love me) had petrol and diesel yet never the V6. Not even driven one. I could do with some convincing from the Alfa brigade that they are worth the considerable outlay over the 4 cylinders..
What's space like in the back of a GTV for a child?
Indeed - amazing how certain cars just evaporate, especially when I'm now in the phase of my life where I remember 1990s cars being released and then seeing fresh, shiny ones on the road.I agree with your point on prices rising when years gone by these cars were for peanuts; the iffy reputation Alfa have been synonymous with for decades in the UK has guaranteed ruinous depreciation. Twin spark 156s for example were everywhere, picked up handily, drove so nicely and are now so scarce. I've owned Alfas, loved them all (they didn't love me) had petrol and diesel yet never the V6. Not even driven one. I could do with some convincing from the Alfa brigade that they are worth the considerable outlay over the 4 cylinders..
What's space like in the back of a GTV for a child?
The Alfa and the Merc I would think are quite different ends of the 90s spectrum, but both are well built and heavily enthusiast/specialist supported if they need work. The GTV really surprised me on a drive - very akin to the Fiat Coupe, its natural contempory, as a comportable cruiser for longer distances over any specific sports car focus. Definitely nicer than an MGF and even a Ford Puma for munching those miles.
If I were in the market for a 3ltr, I would aim to spend a lot more on a proper enthusiast owned example with loads of preventative maintence - rust, engine belts, suspension etc etc. Get a 'money put in' by last owner, labour of love, and pick it up for a relative bargain. But don't buy that 4k wheezing one with no history...!
Offspring accomodation - well, depends on their age and size. Its certainly not bad, and its a modern car - this isnt an MGB or those other beancans people get all whimsical and rose-tinted about. Ergonomics and getting a seat in/out might be an issue.
If I was really going to recommend a child-friendly V6 Alfa I would say track down the 8k 164 in black that's currently for sale on the Bay...
Edited by Spinakerr on Monday 10th July 23:23
CarlosSainz100 said:
I've had both the TS and 3.2 Busso
The TS was by far the better handling car; much more agile far less nose heavy. It also did around 30mpg. I struggled to get 17mpg in the 3.2. The Busso engine was musical, it sounded like an angry harp being played; the TS loved to be revved and also sounded great. I enjoyed my TS far more.
Back in 2011 I remember most 3.0 gtvs were 3-5k with the occasional 3.2 a few thousand more. I doubt anyone in the intervening period has made any money out of them as the maintenance costs would have cost a fortune.
Angry harp is a great description! Yes I think now its a case of sorting the unloved but still running ones from the ones that have been truly maintained. For the 3ltr, best to get a truly solid one.The TS was by far the better handling car; much more agile far less nose heavy. It also did around 30mpg. I struggled to get 17mpg in the 3.2. The Busso engine was musical, it sounded like an angry harp being played; the TS loved to be revved and also sounded great. I enjoyed my TS far more.
Back in 2011 I remember most 3.0 gtvs were 3-5k with the occasional 3.2 a few thousand more. I doubt anyone in the intervening period has made any money out of them as the maintenance costs would have cost a fortune.
Cambs_Stuart said:
I missed this one Spinakerr!
I can't believe I'm the only one to wonder this. Which is fastest, the GTV or the 164?
Ha! We do have a big fleet at present for the ULEZ turnover, so easy to miss another one. I can't believe I'm the only one to wonder this. Which is fastest, the GTV or the 164?
No question - the GTV. The 16V (another 10-15bhp + less weight) = at least a second 0-60, and its very spritely!
carinaman said:
Congratulations!
You may want to check the GTV section of the AlfaOwner forum for details on the relay mod. for the heated rear window. If it's not been done it may prevent a melted fusebox.
Thank you, I was not aware and a quick check it looks like this fix has already been completed. As always, I will check the work...!You may want to check the GTV section of the AlfaOwner forum for details on the relay mod. for the heated rear window. If it's not been done it may prevent a melted fusebox.
carinaman said:
Are the side slashes, headlamps and full width rear light strip taken from the Audi Quartz concept car?:
https://www.carrozzieri-italiani.com/listing/audi-...
I like the wheels on it. It's such a striking design does it need the more ornate teledials? The wheels on it are more faithful to the Audi Quartz concept car?
Ooooo interesting! I love this site, thank you for sending it over! Quartz is a brilliant name for a car too.https://www.carrozzieri-italiani.com/listing/audi-...
I like the wheels on it. It's such a striking design does it need the more ornate teledials? The wheels on it are more faithful to the Audi Quartz concept car?
only1ian said:
Ive had 3 GTV a ts, cup 76 and a 1999 v6 in Nuvelo Blue. I can tell you that yours is rocking horse poo rare with that interior. Is it electric?
It is not electric, no, but has all the Momo stamps. It looks very good in the pics and is all ok, no splits or tears but it does need some love to prevent it getting to the level of dissasembled carcass my wife's Saab 900 got to.ajb85 said:
Yes, in my one experience with an early TS Spider it was a terrible drive, with scuttle shake akin to a Saab 9-3. Very pretty to look at but one to avoid, sadly.
Happy to report I joined the GTV fold earlier in the week, in the shape of this 1999 V6. After seeing such little use in recent years I was a bit dubious about pressing it into service and driving home 240+ miles. It performed faultlessly. So far, so pleased.
This look brilliant, congratulations! the interior looks fantastic - and don't you think it is surprising quiet, tight and well built given all the usual Alfa baggage the armchair pundits spout? I am duly impressed by ours so far.Happy to report I joined the GTV fold earlier in the week, in the shape of this 1999 V6. After seeing such little use in recent years I was a bit dubious about pressing it into service and driving home 240+ miles. It performed faultlessly. So far, so pleased.
Thanks for all the comments - little write up on a little trip to follow.
We spent last week in Cornwall on a bit of a last minute decision, and despite my case for the MG 260, its last gasps of air con, droopy headlining and 'not being an Alfa Romeo' argument meant the GTV was goign to be our steed of choice.
As every review of the car whinged about the boot space, I am pleasantly surprised by how much we got in (5 night trip, including wetsuits/fins and my computer).
I removed the spare tyre, a dicey prospect on the horrible 'Dailyway' threadbare biscuits the car was on, with the agreement to stop at Micheldever Tyres en route to get a new full set.
The spare wheel unscrews as normal, then a deep socket takes out the boss/prong. Boss Prong, incedentaly, is a great name for an 8-bit arcade game.
The car had used about 500ml of oil in 1000 miles, so I recruited an old 1 litre 10w40 vessel and found a niche in the boot for it to live. Tyre and screenwash checked, we set off. En route, the 2000s Sony CD player turned out to be not only working but in resonable audio output territory, even with Portishead as a trip hop, somewhat muted test.
Unfortunately, while Micheldever had four Falken ZE310s at a decent price, it transpired the car had locking wheel nuts. CUe disgorgement of a full car's luggage and protracted ransacking of every nook and cranny. Nothing. Nada.... Nuts! The Micheldever team prodded the tyres a fair amount and said we 'should be ok' for Cornwall. One lad even said 'he'd been to the Ring and back on worse', which made me chuckle. I assume he meant Wagner's full production at the National Opera House.
We decidded to press on, carefully, while I scoured eBay and the Alfa forums for the correct wheel nut caps (they look normal at a glance, but require special caps that go on each nut, ratehr than a socket tool).
We had a great run down. Probably one of the best ever.
During the week the Alfa aquitted itself for Cornwallian lane diving, proving small and nimble while immensely satisfying at normal speeds.
It didnt miss a beat, which is more than can be said for the usual collection of terrying colanders people seem to fart down to region every day.
MOT exemptions...great idea...
Rejuvenated by a week in Fowey, we had a bit more of a 'normal' journey back, with several detours parallel to the A303 to dodge traffic and a pit stop to pick up a certain green Saab from its recent maintenance.
At home I was happy to find a set fo the correct locking wheel nut caps from a fellow alfa owner on the doorstep, and today my wife it heading off to Micheldever once more, so hopefully that particular type of risk will be significantly mitigated.
In the meantime, a week of no work has led to a large amount of service part purchasing...
As every review of the car whinged about the boot space, I am pleasantly surprised by how much we got in (5 night trip, including wetsuits/fins and my computer).
I removed the spare tyre, a dicey prospect on the horrible 'Dailyway' threadbare biscuits the car was on, with the agreement to stop at Micheldever Tyres en route to get a new full set.
The spare wheel unscrews as normal, then a deep socket takes out the boss/prong. Boss Prong, incedentaly, is a great name for an 8-bit arcade game.
The car had used about 500ml of oil in 1000 miles, so I recruited an old 1 litre 10w40 vessel and found a niche in the boot for it to live. Tyre and screenwash checked, we set off. En route, the 2000s Sony CD player turned out to be not only working but in resonable audio output territory, even with Portishead as a trip hop, somewhat muted test.
Unfortunately, while Micheldever had four Falken ZE310s at a decent price, it transpired the car had locking wheel nuts. CUe disgorgement of a full car's luggage and protracted ransacking of every nook and cranny. Nothing. Nada.... Nuts! The Micheldever team prodded the tyres a fair amount and said we 'should be ok' for Cornwall. One lad even said 'he'd been to the Ring and back on worse', which made me chuckle. I assume he meant Wagner's full production at the National Opera House.
We decidded to press on, carefully, while I scoured eBay and the Alfa forums for the correct wheel nut caps (they look normal at a glance, but require special caps that go on each nut, ratehr than a socket tool).
We had a great run down. Probably one of the best ever.
During the week the Alfa aquitted itself for Cornwallian lane diving, proving small and nimble while immensely satisfying at normal speeds.
It didnt miss a beat, which is more than can be said for the usual collection of terrying colanders people seem to fart down to region every day.
MOT exemptions...great idea...
Rejuvenated by a week in Fowey, we had a bit more of a 'normal' journey back, with several detours parallel to the A303 to dodge traffic and a pit stop to pick up a certain green Saab from its recent maintenance.
At home I was happy to find a set fo the correct locking wheel nut caps from a fellow alfa owner on the doorstep, and today my wife it heading off to Micheldever once more, so hopefully that particular type of risk will be significantly mitigated.
In the meantime, a week of no work has led to a large amount of service part purchasing...
StescoG66 said:
I do enjoy your musings Spin. Like your writing style. Reminds me a little of the now removed Breadvan..........
Ah yes Breadvan and r129 were significant inspirations to get me first posting on PH - a shame to miss them and their fleets.I'm glad these are of interest - while other 'social media' outputs have their place, these threads are my choice as they are actually also very helpful to just have it all in one location. The numebr of times I've gone through my own threads to find a part number or check a photo of how it should look... !
My wife took the new caps down to Micheldever on Friday and now has fresh Falkens and a full alignment. I'm keen to take it for a spin and see how different it is, but mainly I'm just relieved to be rid of the 'Dailyways' which were a daily way to find a disastrous end.
ajb85 said:
Absolutely, I was prepared for the crashy ride I recall from my 156 2.4 but was was pleasantly surprised at how compliant thie ride is in the GTV. And as you say: well built, squeak and rattle free, yet we’re still talking about an Alfa built bang in the middle of the “bad old days”.
This one of mine has been very well maintained by all accounts HOWEVR I’m convinced something has gone unnoticed whenever it’s been up on the ramps at the garage for its checkovers, which it’s had an abundance of. I noticed on the test drive, with me sitting in the passenger seat, a terribly obtrusive roar - not rumble - from the n/s/f at 70mph. Not 60, not 65, it comes on strong at 70mph. This did not even register with the previous owner. I quizzed about a possible suspect wheel bearing and he shrugged it off suggesting it’s always been there in his 10 years ownership.
How’s yours at 70? I’ll head over to Alfa Owner for advice but thought you might be able to comment upon this having a GTV and countless Alfas beforehand. I could do with some affirmation that I’m probably right as I suspect that if I take it to my mechanic, have the car off the ground on ramps and therefore not under the load of its weight, a duff bearing might not rear its head.
Any opinions gratefully received.
Hmm I'm hoping some other owners will weigh in that have had many, many more GTVs than I, but if a roar starts quietly and increased at higher speed my initial though is a loose undertray or panel somewhere (even wheelarch liners... thanks Jaguar... took me weeks to figure that out). Wheel bearing...limited experience but worn ones for me are always a rumble across a wide speed range, increasing in volume, not something that comes on at exactly a certain speed. This one of mine has been very well maintained by all accounts HOWEVR I’m convinced something has gone unnoticed whenever it’s been up on the ramps at the garage for its checkovers, which it’s had an abundance of. I noticed on the test drive, with me sitting in the passenger seat, a terribly obtrusive roar - not rumble - from the n/s/f at 70mph. Not 60, not 65, it comes on strong at 70mph. This did not even register with the previous owner. I quizzed about a possible suspect wheel bearing and he shrugged it off suggesting it’s always been there in his 10 years ownership.
How’s yours at 70? I’ll head over to Alfa Owner for advice but thought you might be able to comment upon this having a GTV and countless Alfas beforehand. I could do with some affirmation that I’m probably right as I suspect that if I take it to my mechanic, have the car off the ground on ramps and therefore not under the load of its weight, a duff bearing might not rear its head.
Any opinions gratefully received.
Maybe a resonance from loose exhaust rubber? I had a squeak at 60 that drove me crazy in the 164 and it was the rubber under the bonnet lip by the catch!
I managed to prise the keys out of my wife's possession long enough today to complete some short, satisfying jobs.
GTV mats seems to be in short supply and original items command a bizarre premium. I contacted a breaker to nonchalantly ask for a set from a car advertised and secured a used set in good order. Of course, what turned up was in 'breaker status' - gloves required as it seemed every short haired mammal from the 2000s had shed on this set. Naturally, the rears looks factory fresh.
Fortunately I had borrowed a small wetvac a few weeks ago for cleaning the MG and so put it to work.
A satisfying result! The UV faded lower edges I can hoepfulyl tart up with the same potion I used on the 164 mats, which are exactly the same construction and colour.
As the car came with absolutely zero anything, I also nabbed a manual/handbook set.
Tired 'aero' wipers changed for bosch Super Plus, which I seem to use on all cars for a balance of quality and cost.
Finally, as the storm clouds gathered and summer thunder distantly bellowed, I cleaned up the number plates, added the correct 'capped' screws and cleaned up the exhaust tip (just the tip) with Autosol.
I then darted inside as the rain got into its groove. Hopefully the next few weeks will see some more time available to remove some rust, renew the airbox assembly and few odds and sods.
Its using around a litre every 1200 miles on oil, which seems high but not unusual for the 16V.
GTV mats seems to be in short supply and original items command a bizarre premium. I contacted a breaker to nonchalantly ask for a set from a car advertised and secured a used set in good order. Of course, what turned up was in 'breaker status' - gloves required as it seemed every short haired mammal from the 2000s had shed on this set. Naturally, the rears looks factory fresh.
Fortunately I had borrowed a small wetvac a few weeks ago for cleaning the MG and so put it to work.
A satisfying result! The UV faded lower edges I can hoepfulyl tart up with the same potion I used on the 164 mats, which are exactly the same construction and colour.
As the car came with absolutely zero anything, I also nabbed a manual/handbook set.
Tired 'aero' wipers changed for bosch Super Plus, which I seem to use on all cars for a balance of quality and cost.
Finally, as the storm clouds gathered and summer thunder distantly bellowed, I cleaned up the number plates, added the correct 'capped' screws and cleaned up the exhaust tip (just the tip) with Autosol.
I then darted inside as the rain got into its groove. Hopefully the next few weeks will see some more time available to remove some rust, renew the airbox assembly and few odds and sods.
Its using around a litre every 1200 miles on oil, which seems high but not unusual for the 16V.
Yes I would heavily recommend smaller alloys if comfort is a priority. My wife has decided the current alloys are actually her preference, the soft edges 'match the non-lines from Pininfarina, and they are original for the car'. Argument over - the 16s are staying!
One satisfying little fix - the boot struts. They had failed, as always, to ensure that 50% of the time when the boot was open it would hilariously dent your skull or damage what you were removing/insering, unless a suitable prop was inserted. Exactly like my 164.
Some Alfa lore consultation revealed that not only were there cheaper alternatives available for replacement (156 bonnet strusts, no less), but that slightly stronger ones were required for the Zender equipped boot with a spoiler.
Original part number 60657665 can be found for £50 or something silly, per strut. Uprated 156 bonnet struts - one pair from Meyle for £35 delivered.
Standard screwdriver/clip removal, with a fair bit of delving into the trim to get the old ones out.
Nice. Much better!
One satisfying little fix - the boot struts. They had failed, as always, to ensure that 50% of the time when the boot was open it would hilariously dent your skull or damage what you were removing/insering, unless a suitable prop was inserted. Exactly like my 164.
Some Alfa lore consultation revealed that not only were there cheaper alternatives available for replacement (156 bonnet strusts, no less), but that slightly stronger ones were required for the Zender equipped boot with a spoiler.
Original part number 60657665 can be found for £50 or something silly, per strut. Uprated 156 bonnet struts - one pair from Meyle for £35 delivered.
Standard screwdriver/clip removal, with a fair bit of delving into the trim to get the old ones out.
Nice. Much better!
Thanks all, its continuing to rack up the miles and is a joy to drive. If the test is 'do you look back at the car after locking it' this is probably the winner of the fleet at the moment!
With a bit of vehicular logitistics planned this week spelling a good few miles for the GTV, I decided to actually change the oil at 74k, rather than just top it up.
I had noted the oil filter had rust bubbles - always a good sign on a car with no history - and the drain plug looked to be a traditional Alfa 10mm hex. Access for the oil pan was tight so I utilised a nearby scissor jack (cue alarm comments) to just raise the front a slight amount and apply some penetrating fluid.
Whoever put this sump plug back in last time - I curse you. They must have used a breaker par or rattle gun, and I added extensions until it finally gave. Definitely in danger of breaking the allen key!
Darkest ichor poured forth...
The filter, belying its looks, came off with little effort.
I don't like the look of that kinked oil hose that's turned green though...
Nor the cracked CV inners and various other bits under here. Oh well, more for the to-do list.
Another few hundred miles ticked off, and no ill effects. Here it is taking us safly back from a very remote campsite. Amazingly the GTV handled the bumpy farm roads and fields with aplomb - maybe due to its weight? Other electric SUVs seemed to struggle on a 2% non-tarmac incline. We didnt stop to help.
thomasrs50 said:
Great car (but I'm a bit biased) and lovely colour (silver and AN are my favourite GTV colours).
Good info on the boot struts, since I need new ones for my GTV Cup.
Yes it doesnt 'auto open' with weight of the Zender spoiler, but it does stay up. Recommended.Good info on the boot struts, since I need new ones for my GTV Cup.
With a bit of vehicular logitistics planned this week spelling a good few miles for the GTV, I decided to actually change the oil at 74k, rather than just top it up.
I had noted the oil filter had rust bubbles - always a good sign on a car with no history - and the drain plug looked to be a traditional Alfa 10mm hex. Access for the oil pan was tight so I utilised a nearby scissor jack (cue alarm comments) to just raise the front a slight amount and apply some penetrating fluid.
Whoever put this sump plug back in last time - I curse you. They must have used a breaker par or rattle gun, and I added extensions until it finally gave. Definitely in danger of breaking the allen key!
Darkest ichor poured forth...
The filter, belying its looks, came off with little effort.
I don't like the look of that kinked oil hose that's turned green though...
Nor the cracked CV inners and various other bits under here. Oh well, more for the to-do list.
Another few hundred miles ticked off, and no ill effects. Here it is taking us safly back from a very remote campsite. Amazingly the GTV handled the bumpy farm roads and fields with aplomb - maybe due to its weight? Other electric SUVs seemed to struggle on a 2% non-tarmac incline. We didnt stop to help.
Edited by Spinakerr on Sunday 8th October 19:36
V6Nelo said:
Glad the oil service was okay in the end was thinking you might be welding something to that sump plug.
Did you replace it with a regular hex bolt?
I do find the Gtv so easy to drive thanks to the torque and weight distribution on inclines newer cars have me hoping I don’t need to slow any further
I did not, no, but I tightened it with a hand tool carefully, rather than a scaffolding pole! I've also just realised I put in 5W30, which I don't remember ordering as all the cars are 10W40. Hey ho, I'm sure it will survive a little while with thinner stuff and perhaps another change in 2k miles will be good for the engine.Did you replace it with a regular hex bolt?
I do find the Gtv so easy to drive thanks to the torque and weight distribution on inclines newer cars have me hoping I don’t need to slow any further
A little underbonnet tidying yesterday, as I spotted a melted wire in the fan circuit, above the radiator. This is a common fault with heat cycles, but glad I spotted it!
I've cut off all the meltiness and put two new connectors on it and a temporary sheath - does anyone know if there is an integrated fuse in this or a well-troden fix/upgrade I should be executing?
Naturally, as soon as the bonnet was open I got carried away cleaning everything and checking all the other wires and componentry for burns, bodges and cable ties.
The engine cover and other components reacted positively to a gentle spruce up.
Before:
After:
I also took the opportunity to renew washers, rusted screws and other fixings with grease. This is one of those therapeutic hours where I really start to get to know the car - making notes of issues and areas to address while gentle bringing it up to a clean standard where I can spot leaks in future.
Much better! Though of course this doesn't solve the case of the melted wire.
I couldn't sleep last night - something electrical was wrong... was it the house? No... still standing... the kitchen? All safe, no smell of burning... Of course! [Dramatic throwing of bedcoverings] The Alfa!
Clearly even Alfa wouldn't just have two wire of different colours connected - a quick check of wiring diagrams suggested a resistor was missing... I should have known.
Item 9 is missing, there is even a hole for it in the shroud.
Part number 51736821 from Autolusso should be right (single fan, red body). A much better night's sleep tonight, thank goodness.
Clearly even Alfa wouldn't just have two wire of different colours connected - a quick check of wiring diagrams suggested a resistor was missing... I should have known.
Item 9 is missing, there is even a hole for it in the shroud.
Part number 51736821 from Autolusso should be right (single fan, red body). A much better night's sleep tonight, thank goodness.
carinaman said:
Good work figuring out the AWOL resistor pack. The trader left the advert up for a while, it's still looking good value to me when some people are asking similar money for long parked up ones in the same colour that require a complete respray.
Yes, well... they may be good value at that money, but only if it doesnt require a bouquet of significant maintenace. This car will need some love.The resistor arrived fromt he breaker, tested perfectly and I soldered some proper connectors on. Fitting was quick and full functionality has resumed - luckily no apparent side effects from the melty interlude.
The slam panel has been sprayed when the bumper has been off, bizarrely, and started to flake. A £20 original item with the standard stickers restored the looks after I had fettled the bonnet catches correctly, and it came wiht the correct rubber front lip.
Over the past 500 miles the oil level had fallen faster than before. Somewhat alarmed, I grabbed the 5L container to top it off... and realised it said 5W30 on the side. Ugh - too thin! My order and invoice for 10W40 was correct but a stray 5W30 had found its way into my 4 order in the summer.
As I had been a little worried about the oil consumption, I took this as a sign to experiment with 10W60. Internet folklore gets a little combatative on when this oil either started being recommend, used, or being an option for Alfa 16V Twinsparks, but some user report symptom reduction with its use.
The 5W30 was significantly black on exit... I think it was a good idea to 'flush' the system with it for 500 miles. I'll just assert that was my plan all along.
Luckily, the sump plug had been torqued in correctly by the last diligent oil changer, so this was a very quick job.
The result? 500 further miles on and about 1/4 of the consumption, and no leaks! None. Nada.
Smirking from this win, my wife reported the blower fans and air con had stopped, but only afetr plugging a charger into the cigarette socket. Hmm... the forum reported the fan circuit sharing the fuse as the lighter in the UK market... sure enough, a blown 20A. The fuse box is mounted on the 'roof' of the footwell, but hinges down. Neat eh?
20A blown. Replacement.... and seems to work. We shall monitor. The 12V socket is manky and needs to be replaced - I'm suspecting a dirty socket plus miserable cheap USB charger = frazzliness.
Aside - does anyone know what this yellow unit that is unplugged on my car does? Immobiliser?
More parts ordered for November MOT...
An autumn trip to Wales with a good friend has become a regular fixture of my calendar, but three weeks ago I realised netiher of us had a decent-sized saloon or estate car to use. While his MX-5 had a normal-ish boot, the GTV had back seats, and it had proved extremely reliable since purchase.
WIth some trepidation I packed in the wet weather gear, first aid kit, poles, boots and tea required for a trip to Snowdonia...
As with the long Cornwall trip, the GTV was perfect. It swallowed my friend's gear with room to spare and naturally ate up the A and B roads en route. Despite the potholes, farm tracks and lashing rain, the little Alfa was indominatable.
I'm glad we stayed with smaller alloys and bigger tyres - the ride is fantastic. The upgraded headlights, reconditioned brakes and grip could not be faulted - it was a truly great 4 days.
At the top of Cadair Idris we scurried inside the shelter as pea-sized hail battered us into submission. Two hours later in the car park the GTV took our sodden gear, muddy boots and took us to the nearest open-fire pub without a fuss.
Some water ingress on the window seals, but nothing I worry about.
At the approach to Portmerion we spotted a garage stocking some eclectic cars - I had to stop and take a few pictures. A W8 and a VR6 - it was an alphanumeric heaven.
Remember these 90s signs?
Next up - MOT timeand I'm taking it to Phil to give it a proper once over given his massive experience. Let's see what lurks beneath...
WIth some trepidation I packed in the wet weather gear, first aid kit, poles, boots and tea required for a trip to Snowdonia...
As with the long Cornwall trip, the GTV was perfect. It swallowed my friend's gear with room to spare and naturally ate up the A and B roads en route. Despite the potholes, farm tracks and lashing rain, the little Alfa was indominatable.
I'm glad we stayed with smaller alloys and bigger tyres - the ride is fantastic. The upgraded headlights, reconditioned brakes and grip could not be faulted - it was a truly great 4 days.
At the top of Cadair Idris we scurried inside the shelter as pea-sized hail battered us into submission. Two hours later in the car park the GTV took our sodden gear, muddy boots and took us to the nearest open-fire pub without a fuss.
Some water ingress on the window seals, but nothing I worry about.
At the approach to Portmerion we spotted a garage stocking some eclectic cars - I had to stop and take a few pictures. A W8 and a VR6 - it was an alphanumeric heaven.
Remember these 90s signs?
Next up - MOT timeand I'm taking it to Phil to give it a proper once over given his massive experience. Let's see what lurks beneath...
Edited by Spinakerr on Sunday 12th November 18:40
With the MOT due and weather/time not suitable for crawling around on the driveway, I ordered a few parts from Alfashop to (hopefully) ensure a pass - two inner CV boots were cracked, drop links looks ready to drop and a RH wishbone to match the recent LH replacement. The ball joint was also oozing, so keen to prevent any further issue.
Luckily, Phil of Alfacraft, now operating from a new location, was free for a few days to do this work, and I was very happy to see him and Senna the alsatian on good form! His Alfasud project is coming along nicely, so hopefully more on that next time.
Two days later and all done - MOT sercured and the general prognosis ont he car was 'Yeah its alright isn't it?'. Given his usual opinion of the my vehicles, I count that as high praise.
As a reward for the car, I took a look at the interior. Parts of the trim have suffered over the years from damp, water ingress and general UV attacks - most obvious in my eyeline are the A pillar trims, so I set about finding replacements.
The Phase 1 darker plastic has more of a traditional 90s durability to them over this 'thin fabric that attracts stains', plus they were very dark blue/black, so I eventually secured some A and B pillars.
Luckily removal of the A is easy - a careful upwards movementand the retaining clips come away. Some were missing on my original and new sets, so I transferred them over for a full compliment.
That was satisfying.
The B pillars were a little more tricky, with the seatbelt to be unscrewed (17mm socket) and the larger interior trim to be moved. Someone had been here before, cracking the plastic, so careful encouragement was the order of the day.
Done! Unfortuantely C pillars in the matching colour are few and far between. The above set was very cheap, but the only C set I could find is in Germany for 140 quid. I think we can leave that for the moment!
Luckily, Phil of Alfacraft, now operating from a new location, was free for a few days to do this work, and I was very happy to see him and Senna the alsatian on good form! His Alfasud project is coming along nicely, so hopefully more on that next time.
Two days later and all done - MOT sercured and the general prognosis ont he car was 'Yeah its alright isn't it?'. Given his usual opinion of the my vehicles, I count that as high praise.
As a reward for the car, I took a look at the interior. Parts of the trim have suffered over the years from damp, water ingress and general UV attacks - most obvious in my eyeline are the A pillar trims, so I set about finding replacements.
The Phase 1 darker plastic has more of a traditional 90s durability to them over this 'thin fabric that attracts stains', plus they were very dark blue/black, so I eventually secured some A and B pillars.
Luckily removal of the A is easy - a careful upwards movementand the retaining clips come away. Some were missing on my original and new sets, so I transferred them over for a full compliment.
That was satisfying.
The B pillars were a little more tricky, with the seatbelt to be unscrewed (17mm socket) and the larger interior trim to be moved. Someone had been here before, cracking the plastic, so careful encouragement was the order of the day.
Done! Unfortuantely C pillars in the matching colour are few and far between. The above set was very cheap, but the only C set I could find is in Germany for 140 quid. I think we can leave that for the moment!
waynedear said:
You are making me yearn for another gtv now, the previous 9 hold very fine memories, even the one I owned for 24hours.
A ph1 2.0 was my first Alfa in 2007, bought from a man called John Wayne...
Camping, fishing trips, thrashing round Wales, even moved house once with a gtv, they handled everything.
It is I know a skewed view... When I look at my 630i, I see and feel it as a grown up V6 gtv, I can give it no higher praise.
Nine! I would definitely be keen to hear more - I know you have a few threads going but any choice 916 anecdotes? A ph1 2.0 was my first Alfa in 2007, bought from a man called John Wayne...
Camping, fishing trips, thrashing round Wales, even moved house once with a gtv, they handled everything.
It is I know a skewed view... When I look at my 630i, I see and feel it as a grown up V6 gtv, I can give it no higher praise.
Did you call the John Wayne one 'Dollar'?
With a successful MOT comes more disassembly and careful fettling. I had noticed the airbox was looking miserable, as did the filter and general bracketry for the convoluted air run. After amassing a fair few parts from breakers and eBay, I got stuck in.
A handful of 10mm bolts and jubilee clips later - the old airbox on the right with bodges, holes and splits; the new (to me) part on the left.
The air filter bracket took some muttering to loosen, but gave up when I showed it the Bilt Hamber and Stahlwille.
The fittings for the airbox are reknowned for rust, seizing and general misery. This car was no exception - each one fought me - rounding, cracking the plastic fittings or complete failure at every step. This last 10mm nut on the box really drove me over the edge - nothing would budge it, and I was in danger of cracking the plastic lid...
...so I deployed the Dremel.
A quick pass with the rotary brush on the angle grinder later, and some parts are starting to look respectable.
Some Bilt Hamber Hydrate to convert the rust, and rain stopped play for a few days.
(I'll leave out the bit where the angle grinder got caught, leapt out my hands and flew onto my ankle, making a small roulade of sock, wire brush and ankle. I stopped there, retreated inside to have a warm cup of TCP, and wondered how on earth it managed to find the one place on my body not covered in protective gear.)
I also ordered an air filter, as while the encumbent was an original Alfa Romeo Genuine Parts Original Ricambi (Italy) 60603977, it was also rusty and potentially the original one!
A few days later... a snorkel from a later Phase 3 GTV JTS arrived - the original was missing and opening the filter up to all sorts of road related detritus - and I worked my way through all the parts to select the best of the bunch.
After sanding down the Bilt Hamber coat slightly, I opted for layers of stonechip for durability for the bracket and retaining metal banana pieces.
It does seem to be a needlessly complicated setup - snorkel (ok), airbox (right), in a cradle (yes...), with a giant filter and separate little plastic teacup in the box, and another plastic bit to hold the filter at the top (ok, but...) then a lid with three screws that dissolve into brass and plastic fittings (why?) and a two piece bracket (what?) holding the MAF into a rubber bung with three nuts that dissolve onto three studs (eh?) that also hold another L shaped bracket onto a catch can (now hold on...) onto the intake hose ...
Madness.
Snorkel test fit - looks good, and 18 inches further for salt, dirt and badgers to go before they start to be a problem for the car. New 10mm bolts and liberal copper slip in every thread spotted.
Bracket in with 17mm bolts, new rubber bung at the bottom to locate the airbox.
Done. And while maligned, it does all look neat and is very satisfying as a job to renew.
Edited by Spinakerr on Friday 24th November 22:42
The GTV continues to solve daily driving duties - we took a quick break away for New Years and came back to Gatwick parking to have it start on the button, then emerged into one of the heaviest rainstorms I have seen! WIth the M25 closed, and the usual hair-raising behaviour of other drivers ploughing through standing water at 70mph, my wife gently nosed the GTV through London A roads to home.
Twice we spotted vehicles that had tailgated/overtaken or sped past us (clearly diverted fromt he motorway) subsequently stranded after crashign into kerbs or losing it on roundabouts. Fools are never far away in bad weather.
Fortunately the newish set of Falkens were controllable, and we remarked how the fitting of the 'snorkel' to the air intake was thankfully done!
Today I checked the intake and it still has some water in it, so I've drilled a small drain hole, and fitted a screw to bolters the friction fit.
Next up - the scaberous radiator support.
One of the well-established rusty bits on GTVs, ours was defintiely at the end of its life. I had ordered the stainless Autolusso replacement a few months ago, and given it a sand, zinc primer and the stonechip coats. With the weatehr not improving, I jacked up the car and doused the bolts in PlusGas. Fortunately they all came free.
Miserable thing, crustier than a slice of burnt toat for Captain Ahab.
New item with its fresh stonechip and titanium bolts...
...but it would fit. Either the front impact that prompted bumper/fan/front end faffing had put items out of alignment, or the new Autlusso part was slightly off.
I deployed my drill with a metal bit to open up the holes a bit, chucked on some fresh stonechip and it all went together nicely.
I'm sure I'll be back here when the radiator needs replacement. Which it may do...along with the themostat... as the level is gradually dropping.
Naturally, I couldnt let some rusty unrelated bolts stay once I'd spied them.
Hula hula washers deployed. Don't worry, they're now straight.
Next up - steering wheel and gearknob...
Twice we spotted vehicles that had tailgated/overtaken or sped past us (clearly diverted fromt he motorway) subsequently stranded after crashign into kerbs or losing it on roundabouts. Fools are never far away in bad weather.
Fortunately the newish set of Falkens were controllable, and we remarked how the fitting of the 'snorkel' to the air intake was thankfully done!
Today I checked the intake and it still has some water in it, so I've drilled a small drain hole, and fitted a screw to bolters the friction fit.
Next up - the scaberous radiator support.
One of the well-established rusty bits on GTVs, ours was defintiely at the end of its life. I had ordered the stainless Autolusso replacement a few months ago, and given it a sand, zinc primer and the stonechip coats. With the weatehr not improving, I jacked up the car and doused the bolts in PlusGas. Fortunately they all came free.
Miserable thing, crustier than a slice of burnt toat for Captain Ahab.
New item with its fresh stonechip and titanium bolts...
...but it would fit. Either the front impact that prompted bumper/fan/front end faffing had put items out of alignment, or the new Autlusso part was slightly off.
I deployed my drill with a metal bit to open up the holes a bit, chucked on some fresh stonechip and it all went together nicely.
I'm sure I'll be back here when the radiator needs replacement. Which it may do...along with the themostat... as the level is gradually dropping.
Naturally, I couldnt let some rusty unrelated bolts stay once I'd spied them.
Hula hula washers deployed. Don't worry, they're now straight.
Next up - steering wheel and gearknob...
My typical 'new car' pattern for the first year has three certainties: four new tyres, new numberplates and then a steering wheel and gearknob.
For the GTV, the original items looked quite tired - shiny wheel, well-used gearknob.
Some trawling of the Alfa forums confirmed that wooden wheels were available (wife's preference) and that several gearknobs would fit, but I struggled to find a combination that really sunk its fangs into my brainstem. The blue/cream interior already had a fair bit goign on, with black details... wood would add fussiness.
Triangulating rumours, it appeared the 166 wheel would fit - this led to a conversation with parts store in Italy, and a month later a slightly expensive package turned up, from the correct place, and with a lot of 'Momo' stickers on it...
I had secured a NOS 166 Momo dark blue/cream wheel and gearknob option pack - on the shelf for 20 years.
It even came with sealed pictorial instructions...
First step, disconnect battery, then Torx T30 bit on three screws to dislodge the airbag:
Carefully unplug, declip and loosen wiring, noting the routing of the horn and airbag connectors.
A good hand-hammering on the wheel with the 24mm nut loosened again allowed me to sidestep buying a 'special tool'.
Re-lubricate the sticky indicator cancellors while I'm here...
Remove the horn bit with three screws...
Replace some missing bolts int he steering wheel shroud while I have this opened up - another rattling source solved!
Add the bits to the new wheel....and put everythign back togetehr - you'll have to skip to the end for the final reveal!
Gearknob 'just pulls off', which as we know results in a black eye if completed incorrectly.
Replacing the gaitor with the 166 item - this one can safely go in the bin...
But wait... how do we cover that hole for the grub screw?
Ah yes, a bespoke enamel Alfa Romeo badge... of course.
Cue fireworks and gasps for the big reveal:
Well, we're happy. The dark blue is a perfect match for the rest of the interior, the cream... not perfect but I suspect the leatehr seats were recoloured at some point. If/when we get them refurbished we can get them to a close match. For now, as always, the new 'tactile inputs' make this feel like a new car.
For the GTV, the original items looked quite tired - shiny wheel, well-used gearknob.
Some trawling of the Alfa forums confirmed that wooden wheels were available (wife's preference) and that several gearknobs would fit, but I struggled to find a combination that really sunk its fangs into my brainstem. The blue/cream interior already had a fair bit goign on, with black details... wood would add fussiness.
Triangulating rumours, it appeared the 166 wheel would fit - this led to a conversation with parts store in Italy, and a month later a slightly expensive package turned up, from the correct place, and with a lot of 'Momo' stickers on it...
I had secured a NOS 166 Momo dark blue/cream wheel and gearknob option pack - on the shelf for 20 years.
It even came with sealed pictorial instructions...
First step, disconnect battery, then Torx T30 bit on three screws to dislodge the airbag:
Carefully unplug, declip and loosen wiring, noting the routing of the horn and airbag connectors.
A good hand-hammering on the wheel with the 24mm nut loosened again allowed me to sidestep buying a 'special tool'.
Re-lubricate the sticky indicator cancellors while I'm here...
Remove the horn bit with three screws...
Replace some missing bolts int he steering wheel shroud while I have this opened up - another rattling source solved!
Add the bits to the new wheel....and put everythign back togetehr - you'll have to skip to the end for the final reveal!
Gearknob 'just pulls off', which as we know results in a black eye if completed incorrectly.
Replacing the gaitor with the 166 item - this one can safely go in the bin...
But wait... how do we cover that hole for the grub screw?
Ah yes, a bespoke enamel Alfa Romeo badge... of course.
Cue fireworks and gasps for the big reveal:
Well, we're happy. The dark blue is a perfect match for the rest of the interior, the cream... not perfect but I suspect the leatehr seats were recoloured at some point. If/when we get them refurbished we can get them to a close match. For now, as always, the new 'tactile inputs' make this feel like a new car.
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