Panda (Uno) Turbo ie project. Help wanted.
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Hi, as part of (hopefully) the PPC £999 challenge I've got six weeks (about three days with my job) to get the engine and bits from a rusty phase II Uno Turbo and fit them into a (slightly less rusty) 94 Fiat Panda. Has anyone done the conversion before? I'm also looking to get a front mounted intercooler off ebay. My old Panda had a Delta Hf unit fitted and the Bianca Sun roof peeled off at 130mph! On a track day of course. I have a set of phase I Turbo 14's that I need to fettle the arches to fit, a pair of Cobra buckets, so everything is there. If anyone would like the Uno parts I don't use feel free to ask.
DeanR32 said:
I've got to keep an eye on this build.
I was toying with the idea of a cinquecento with an uno turbo engine. Not too sure how possible it is, due to the size, but would love to hear your opinion on how possible it would be.
Got any pics of the build thus far?
In response to your question, it is possible, but not that easy!I was toying with the idea of a cinquecento with an uno turbo engine. Not too sure how possible it is, due to the size, but would love to hear your opinion on how possible it would be.
Got any pics of the build thus far?
I had to chop the drivers side inner arch about and rebuild it an inch further thowards the outside of the car to get the space for the engine and box in the bay. 3 weeks of fabrication to get it spot on. the rest of it isnt too hard. Didnt actually get to drive it in anger as it was a mates car that i did the work on, and he stuffed it into a field on his first run
easiest and arguably quickest conversion is the 1242 16v from a mk2 punto or bravo, and then put something along the lines of a novitec turbo kit on it, or the panda 100hp engine on throttle bodies (they seriously shift)
Re the panda swap, in theory it shouldnt be too had, worst bit will be the wireing as the uno has 2 ecu's. also, i really hope you will be pinching the breaks and suspension?!
Thank you for the advice. The Cinq' won't take an Uno turbo lump, I had a Van Aken 100bhp Sporting a few years ago quick but not fast when that went pop I tried putting a Punto GT, ended up swearing a lot and putting it on ebay. I have photo's but are unable for some reason to show them here. The gap between the inner wings of the Panda is only an inch less than the phase two. The twin ecu's and loom will have to be swapped completly. I had considered the bigger "Fire" engine conversion's and making a 5mm spacer out of a sheet of Aluminium to put between the block and the head to lower compression. By using the old head gasket as a template and fitting new ones between the plate and longer head bolts. Then adapt the Uno turbo bits to boost the Fire engine. While I have a complete Uno engine though it seemed a bit of an effort. The fastest Panda in the UK at the monent has an RST engine in the back, there are a couple of Rover V8 Pandas I wanted to keep this one all Fiat parts. The Brakes are a straight swap but the shocks are knackered (planning a D.I.Y Coilover conversion with new shocks), I have a set of 14 Inch Phase 1 wheels and a set of 15 inch Team Dynamics to choose from. The 14's would mean less arch work, the 15's would give a better top end and I can use Coupe' brakes but foul the suspension lower spring mount.
I'm toying with the idea of getting a X19 box (1.5), marrying it to the Phase 2 lump and sticking it in the back of the Panda. Considering the deadline it's way up in the air. Finally got round to making a set of 10mm spacers on the lathe today, the longer wheel studs set me back £45!!!!! The car only cost me £50 ;-) Oh the Uno Turbo cost £200
I'll let you know what happens next.
P.S If anyone wants any of the Uno bits I don't use, body's good just the floor's gone let me know.
I'm toying with the idea of getting a X19 box (1.5), marrying it to the Phase 2 lump and sticking it in the back of the Panda. Considering the deadline it's way up in the air. Finally got round to making a set of 10mm spacers on the lathe today, the longer wheel studs set me back £45!!!!! The car only cost me £50 ;-) Oh the Uno Turbo cost £200
I'll let you know what happens next.
P.S If anyone wants any of the Uno bits I don't use, body's good just the floor's gone let me know.
Like a pillock I've just sold the Uno Turbo engine donour. for twice what I paid for the car but still back to square one. Considering the twin ecu, finding somewhere for the intercooler etc I think I've made the right decision. Also the buyer wants to weld up the floor and put the original car back on the road. So what's plan b for the Panda? How about a 1.6 twink out of a Bravo and an Eaton (BMW Mini) Supercharger? Watch this space.
Robert060379 said:
Like a pillock I've just sold the Uno Turbo engine donour. for twice what I paid for the car but still back to square one. Considering the twin ecu, finding somewhere for the intercooler etc I think I've made the right decision. Also the buyer wants to weld up the floor and put the original car back on the road. So what's plan b for the Panda? How about a 1.6 twink out of a Bravo and an Eaton (BMW Mini) Supercharger? Watch this space.
Is it possible to squeeze a 20valve 5 cylinder turbo engine in a panda?In the back Zed Car style, have considered it but the Coupe' 16V would fit in the front and is a stronger unit. The Coupe' 16V is based on the old Tipo Abarth/Croma Turbo unit, reliable up to 300bhp and weighs a lot less than the five pot. Have seen a 20V Turbo in a Tipo five door. Plane Jane on the outside but 10.8sec quarter mile car!
DeanR32 said:
I've got to keep an eye on this build.
I was toying with the idea of a cinquecento with an uno turbo engine. Not too sure how possible it is, due to the size, but would love to hear your opinion on how possible it would be.
Got any pics of the build thus far?
proberly. you can get v-tecs, vauxhall red tops and even V8's under a mini's bonnet. takes alot of work thoughI was toying with the idea of a cinquecento with an uno turbo engine. Not too sure how possible it is, due to the size, but would love to hear your opinion on how possible it would be.
Got any pics of the build thus far?
You can fit any engine into any car with enough time, energy and work. Rolls Royce Metior engine in an SD1 proves that. I'm hoping to keep the Panda Fiat powered, but there's a Cinq' with a Cosy YB in the back terrorising South End. I had a 126 Bis with an Alfa 1.5 Boxer fitted. How about a twin TL1000 engine conversion for the Cinq' one in the front and one in the back. The Vee twins should provide more than enough torque for the car to be useable on the road, TL1000's are cheaper and more usable than the GSXR1300s that usually get used.
The 1.2 or the 1.6 Punto Sporting? The 1.2 is revvy but lacks the torque of the bigger 8V Fire engines. The 1.2 also weighs a fair bit more making the Cinq' I drove with the conversion understeer like a Fiesta XR2i with flat tires (don't ask). I would imagine the 1.6 would be trickier to fit and weigh even more. That's why I chose the Panda all the engine bays are built to take the 4x4 transfer box and can take a wider range of engines. Also they have a cute old school Fiat look about them, pre-GM take over one of the last Fiats to be 100% Italian (apart from the French designer of the Mk2 I have).
Robert060379 said:
In the back Zed Car style, have considered it but the Coupe' 16V would fit in the front and is a stronger unit. The Coupe' 16V is based on the old Tipo Abarth/Croma Turbo unit, reliable up to 300bhp and weighs a lot less than the five pot. Have seen a 20V Turbo in a Tipo five door. Plane Jane on the outside but 10.8sec quarter mile car!
Any details and is it in this country? Or is it the one on youtube which is 4wd too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrHSKM290js
Those youtube vids have given me ideas, if you search Panda Turbo you'll find my old car. The 20V Tipo is a UK car get on to the Fiat OC forum and follow the links to see it on youtube overtaking a Ferrari 360 on the outside of the banks at Rockingham last year. Anyone got an accident (preferably rear ended) 16V Coupe' turbo for sale? Just been offered an Alfa 155 straight swap for my plan b car. I'm also after an older non-efi Panda or 4x4 I know where there is a Mia' engine and box front engine rear wheel drive conversion using the 4x4 axle. That'll drift like a Capri on an ice rink.
Robert060379 said:
Those youtube vids have given me ideas, if you search Panda Turbo you'll find my old car. The 20V Tipo is a UK car get on to the Fiat OC forum and follow the links to see it on youtube overtaking a Ferrari 360 on the outside of the banks at Rockingham last year.
Is it a black 3 door one, caged and fully stripped out? Conversion done by a company in London? If it is, i think i saw it at auto italia at Gaydon in Sept, and if it is, i'd find it hard to believe it's running 10's, as when i saw the car, it still had the standard intercooler and that's only good for about 250bhp, if not, then i can't find the link on the fiatforum, which is where i'm presuming you meant.It's a white sheddy five door with Integrale wheels to hide the brakes and an front mounted intercooler hiden insude the bumper. It was part of Redlines ten of the best a few years ago but the clutch went on the handling course. I don't know if the car is still on the road. There's an Italian built 500bhp Tipo 20V and a Tipo in Germany with a twin turbo Alfa 164 24V V6 in the back from a writen off Ultima 660bhp spec before the accident. Found an X19 on the dreded Ebay local to me if it's the 1.5 the gear box should be strong enough to take the Uno Turbo engine there are a few turbo X19's about so it may be possible to put the X19 subframe (if it has one) in the floor of the Panda or cut the rusty floor out of the Uno and lenghen the engine loom rather than replace the lot. Coupe 16V Turbo in the X19?
I'm having to move to plan b for the PPC Project. If anyone would like to take over the Panda/Uno Turbo project you can have all the parts for what they cost me. Panda 11 months, m.o.t 5 months Tax, £200. Uno Turbo phase two (very rusty floor but a runner) £200. Sorry to see it go but the fashist council won't let me work on any of my cars on my driveway.
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