Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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I thought I'd post this up, the engine is broken so it could be interesting.
I've just bought a 2016 Jaguar F-Pace R Sport. It's a 2.0 diesel. It's done 112k and looks in decent condition. It's dirty in the photos, it broke down, was towed back, the seller took a photo in the dark and put it on Facebook marketplace. I went to buy it the next day. I was looking for a new family car so this should be perfect. I've paid 8k for this which I feel is good (providing it doesn't cost me a fortune to fix), this age and mileage seems to be advertised at around 13-14k.
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It's a bit dirty inside but it seems in good condition and a decent spec. It has a pan roof which opens, two tone leather which I think is an R Sport thing, the widescreen sat nav, xenon lights. One odd thing, the front seats are manual adjust but the rear seats are electric reclining. It's the first car I've owned that allows you to stream music via bluetooth without needing to mess about adding in hardware.
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Someone spilt some paint in the rear so I might need to go to someone to get that sorted out.
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The story with this car is the first owner had it until this November, they blew the turbo which caused more damage. It's all second hand info (so some of it might not make sense) but he was quoted 12k by Jaguar for a new engine. He sold it for 4.6k to the guy I bought it off which is crazy cheap, I wish I'd found it then!
The guy I bought it off thought it needed a turbo, as the car was cheap and he wanted it for himself, he went to Jaguar for it. I've got an invoice for £1000. On further investigation the engine was damaged, he said it suffered from bore wash. He ended up getting oversized pistons, the block has cylinder liners, one was replaced and then all 4 were bored out. This was done at a local engine specialist and cost him a fair bit. He changed the main and big end bearings whilst he was in there. He fitted all new chains. He had the injectors tested also. He spent quite a lot of money doing all this.
He had a few local trips and it was fine, then he said he was using it on the motorway, driving it hard as he was late for something. Heard a knocking, the oil light came on and then the engine seized. He thinks it's spun a big end bearing. When I went to see it, it wasn't seized, it did start up. He's not got time to do it again so he put it straight up for sale.
This is where I come in. The plan is to pull the engine out, strip it apart and see what's what. In an ideal world I'd have wanted to be the first person to be working on it, it could be a real can of worms re-tracing someone else's work, especially on an engine I'm not familiar with. The good thing is, he's spent a load of money on new parts, the pistons and bores should be good, I can re-use the chains, etc.
The concern is, did he miss something? Is the reason it died before the same reason it died now? Could fix it and find myself back to square one all over again? I'm going to check the DPF, I saw a video on one of these engines in an Evoque that had a blocked DPF which seemed to cause a rod knock. I've seen a blocked DPF take the turbo out before so possibly the root cause of the original failure. Also, if it suffered bore wash, maybe that was due to the engine over fuelling to try and force a re-gen on the DPF. The rods weren't changed, maybe one is slightly bent. Maybe it just span a bearing because he was booting it without running it in?
A picture of the engine as it is, it should all come apart quite easily as it's just been put together.
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I'm quite excited by this one. First up is to pull the engine.
I've just bought a 2016 Jaguar F-Pace R Sport. It's a 2.0 diesel. It's done 112k and looks in decent condition. It's dirty in the photos, it broke down, was towed back, the seller took a photo in the dark and put it on Facebook marketplace. I went to buy it the next day. I was looking for a new family car so this should be perfect. I've paid 8k for this which I feel is good (providing it doesn't cost me a fortune to fix), this age and mileage seems to be advertised at around 13-14k.
PC161404PC161405PC161406PC161407It's a bit dirty inside but it seems in good condition and a decent spec. It has a pan roof which opens, two tone leather which I think is an R Sport thing, the widescreen sat nav, xenon lights. One odd thing, the front seats are manual adjust but the rear seats are electric reclining. It's the first car I've owned that allows you to stream music via bluetooth without needing to mess about adding in hardware.
PC161413PC161412Someone spilt some paint in the rear so I might need to go to someone to get that sorted out.
PC161415The story with this car is the first owner had it until this November, they blew the turbo which caused more damage. It's all second hand info (so some of it might not make sense) but he was quoted 12k by Jaguar for a new engine. He sold it for 4.6k to the guy I bought it off which is crazy cheap, I wish I'd found it then!
The guy I bought it off thought it needed a turbo, as the car was cheap and he wanted it for himself, he went to Jaguar for it. I've got an invoice for £1000. On further investigation the engine was damaged, he said it suffered from bore wash. He ended up getting oversized pistons, the block has cylinder liners, one was replaced and then all 4 were bored out. This was done at a local engine specialist and cost him a fair bit. He changed the main and big end bearings whilst he was in there. He fitted all new chains. He had the injectors tested also. He spent quite a lot of money doing all this.
He had a few local trips and it was fine, then he said he was using it on the motorway, driving it hard as he was late for something. Heard a knocking, the oil light came on and then the engine seized. He thinks it's spun a big end bearing. When I went to see it, it wasn't seized, it did start up. He's not got time to do it again so he put it straight up for sale.
This is where I come in. The plan is to pull the engine out, strip it apart and see what's what. In an ideal world I'd have wanted to be the first person to be working on it, it could be a real can of worms re-tracing someone else's work, especially on an engine I'm not familiar with. The good thing is, he's spent a load of money on new parts, the pistons and bores should be good, I can re-use the chains, etc.
The concern is, did he miss something? Is the reason it died before the same reason it died now? Could fix it and find myself back to square one all over again? I'm going to check the DPF, I saw a video on one of these engines in an Evoque that had a blocked DPF which seemed to cause a rod knock. I've seen a blocked DPF take the turbo out before so possibly the root cause of the original failure. Also, if it suffered bore wash, maybe that was due to the engine over fuelling to try and force a re-gen on the DPF. The rods weren't changed, maybe one is slightly bent. Maybe it just span a bearing because he was booting it without running it in?
A picture of the engine as it is, it should all come apart quite easily as it's just been put together.
PC161411I'm quite excited by this one. First up is to pull the engine.
I wish! This will be used by my wife so I need something decent on fuel. Currently we have 3 cars, my Boxster that's pretty much an ornament, then the main cars are a Cayenne S that rarely gets used as I walk to work and a Mini Clubman 1.6d which the wife uses. The Cayenne and Mini will make way for the Jag and I'll use my Boxster more which is something I want to do.
I love the Cayenne, it's really useful and a nice drive but it's so juicy on fuel I tend to use it sparingly. As an example I'm going to my parents at Christmas who live in Cornwall. If I take the Cayenne it'll cost me over £100 extra in fuel compared to the Mini. I guess I'm tight, it just doesn't seem like a good use of my money.
I also love the Mini, it drives really well, always have a smile on m my face in that thing. It's a bit small for big trips, I'd keep it but it's a manual, my wife wants an automatic. I'm hoping the Jaguar is the perfect combination of both, economy closer to the Mini, practically closer to the Cayenne.
I love the Cayenne, it's really useful and a nice drive but it's so juicy on fuel I tend to use it sparingly. As an example I'm going to my parents at Christmas who live in Cornwall. If I take the Cayenne it'll cost me over £100 extra in fuel compared to the Mini. I guess I'm tight, it just doesn't seem like a good use of my money.
I also love the Mini, it drives really well, always have a smile on m my face in that thing. It's a bit small for big trips, I'd keep it but it's a manual, my wife wants an automatic. I'm hoping the Jaguar is the perfect combination of both, economy closer to the Mini, practically closer to the Cayenne.
honest_delboy said:
Following with interest. Is there a readers ride thread on your Cayenne ?
I've got one here. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...HairyMaclary said:
Some major alarm bells there and for 8k you are mental 
but I admire the size of your balls for they are much bigger than mine.
Good luck, will enjoy seeing how this painful journey pans out.
Can you not just drop in a recon engine?
A re-con engine is about £3500. I'm not planning of spending anywhere near that. If my crank won't take a grind, an aftermarket crank is £500, rods are £65 each and a set of bearings is £100. I'd like to think I can get it up and running for a grand. It depends what I find when I open it up. but I admire the size of your balls for they are much bigger than mine. Good luck, will enjoy seeing how this painful journey pans out.
Can you not just drop in a recon engine?
I got a few lines into this and though to myself “…This has to be Escy” scrolled back up and sure enough! Not many people talk about things which to the majority seem hugely daunting with such confidence.
Having followed all three iterations (I think it’s three anyway, or is it four now?) of your 986/7 with huge interest I will do the same here.
I look forward to watching you sink your teeth into this!
Having followed all three iterations (I think it’s three anyway, or is it four now?) of your 986/7 with huge interest I will do the same here.
I look forward to watching you sink your teeth into this!
You can't bore wash a diesel... Bore wash happens when an engine is running so rich that the excess fuel washes the oil coating of the cylinder walls. A diesel basically runs on oil, you can't wash oil off with oil.
Something about all this doesn't add up, for a modern engine to seize is rare, for the same car to do it twice is a big concern.
Something about all this doesn't add up, for a modern engine to seize is rare, for the same car to do it twice is a big concern.
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