Discussion
Not sure if this is the right place to put this as it is more of a review than a long term ownership.
I'm going to start by explaining my position on EVs and Tesla before giving my opinion on P100D as these cars seem to attract so much love and hate in equal measure. I currently have a 70D and my father has a 90D we swap cars regularly, both cars have done pretty big mileages all over the UK and Europe. I have personally been quite disappointed with my Tesla overall, but I can see that with a bit of improvement in certain areas EVs really can be very good cars. I accept that how I use the cars is not what everyone does and just because Tesla hasn't been fantastic for me doesn't mean it won't be great for others. I do however look at them as competitors to other cars like the M5, RS6, E63 and Panamera just because it is all electric doesn't mean it shouldn't be compared to other cars at its price point. It seems often Tesla get a free pass because it is a EV my attitude it is £100,000 car and it should be judged as such.
I have come to be driving this Tesla P100D for a week because my 70D is in for a service so it is a loaner. For those that don't know there Teslas so well this is the top of the range fastest one that has been all over the internet out dragging pretty much everything. 0-60 2.5 seconds and a bargain at £139,000
IMG_5579 by Elliot Simpson, on Flickr
I think it looks really good in the white with big wheels and the facelift they did a while back looks a bit more special than my pre facelift car. Just my opinion of course.
As expected it is savagely fast in a straight line you just stamp your foot no wheel spin no drama the numbers in front of you just get big really fast as your head gets pushed into your seat hard. But oddly it doesn't feel that different from the 90D the initial kick is just a bit more violent but once going didn't feel the big step up I was expecting. It's very addictive though
Handling wise as expected feels pretty much the same as both of ours. Which is no surprise considering the P100D has exactly the same brakes, suspension etc as all of the other Teslas, kind of makes me ask the question why is it £40,000 more than a non P car? Where is that £40k going considering all you get is more power from the same battery, seems a lot for some software and a bigger motor. By the same as other Teslas I mean uneventful and just very competent if you push really hard the front washes wide. You just turn in flatten your foot, the computers just figure it out slinging you out of the corner really fast, it's really efficient at covering ground. But pretty boring when compared to something like an M5. When push comes to shove it is a very big heavy car though.
As with all Teslas it is really comfortable and relaxing to drive on long journeys the new seats are really supportive and the new heated function is a million times better than the old one. Auto pilot is still a bit dodgy but on the motorway keeps you in lane nicely follows the car in front letting you relax just don't assume it is going to do everything right all the time. The ride is pretty good with very little roll doesn't bounce around on the bumps of Norfolk country roads, it is a little choppier on the bigger wheels I think this makes it feel a bit sportier though which is nice in something so fast.
The much talked about build quality has improved!! The interior fit is good no obvious panels that don't fit properly like on our cars which I count as progress. However the materials are still pretty rubbish in parts, the centre bin thing is just made of plastic that quite frankly wouldn't fly in a 1 series let alone something that cost this much. The passenger door handle has broken whilst I have had it as well.
I had been told that the 100 battery was a big step forward from the 90 so was looking forward to seeing the range that it got. I had been told real world figures like 300 miles to a charge which would really make me reconsider buying another. As the weather has been totally terrible cold, wet and windy the 3 things EVs really don't like I wasn't expecting to get close to that but was expecting a little better that 158 miles.
IMG_5563 by Elliot Simpson, on Flickr
That is with 92% charge just going back and forth to work on A and B roads. I worked out on a longer journey roughly in these conditions it would get 210 miles which is better than the 190ish I would expect to get from the 90 driving for range a bit more. Obviously an improvement but not as large as hoped.
All round this is a bloody fast car that if I didn't need to go long journeys regularly I would consider to replace mine as being able to run it really cheaply through a company makes it fairly unique. But ultimately at £140,000 I pretty much expect perfection in most areas, this just doesn't feel like its worth the money to me. For context you could get an new M5 and a new Caterham for the same money.
Sorry if this seems like a very negative post its not meant to be just trying to be honest. Apologies for the rubbish English as well hope it is readable.
If anyone wants to know anything about the P100D or either of my car or my dads just as and I will try answer.
I'm going to start by explaining my position on EVs and Tesla before giving my opinion on P100D as these cars seem to attract so much love and hate in equal measure. I currently have a 70D and my father has a 90D we swap cars regularly, both cars have done pretty big mileages all over the UK and Europe. I have personally been quite disappointed with my Tesla overall, but I can see that with a bit of improvement in certain areas EVs really can be very good cars. I accept that how I use the cars is not what everyone does and just because Tesla hasn't been fantastic for me doesn't mean it won't be great for others. I do however look at them as competitors to other cars like the M5, RS6, E63 and Panamera just because it is all electric doesn't mean it shouldn't be compared to other cars at its price point. It seems often Tesla get a free pass because it is a EV my attitude it is £100,000 car and it should be judged as such.
I have come to be driving this Tesla P100D for a week because my 70D is in for a service so it is a loaner. For those that don't know there Teslas so well this is the top of the range fastest one that has been all over the internet out dragging pretty much everything. 0-60 2.5 seconds and a bargain at £139,000
IMG_5579 by Elliot Simpson, on FlickrI think it looks really good in the white with big wheels and the facelift they did a while back looks a bit more special than my pre facelift car. Just my opinion of course.
As expected it is savagely fast in a straight line you just stamp your foot no wheel spin no drama the numbers in front of you just get big really fast as your head gets pushed into your seat hard. But oddly it doesn't feel that different from the 90D the initial kick is just a bit more violent but once going didn't feel the big step up I was expecting. It's very addictive though
Handling wise as expected feels pretty much the same as both of ours. Which is no surprise considering the P100D has exactly the same brakes, suspension etc as all of the other Teslas, kind of makes me ask the question why is it £40,000 more than a non P car? Where is that £40k going considering all you get is more power from the same battery, seems a lot for some software and a bigger motor. By the same as other Teslas I mean uneventful and just very competent if you push really hard the front washes wide. You just turn in flatten your foot, the computers just figure it out slinging you out of the corner really fast, it's really efficient at covering ground. But pretty boring when compared to something like an M5. When push comes to shove it is a very big heavy car though.
As with all Teslas it is really comfortable and relaxing to drive on long journeys the new seats are really supportive and the new heated function is a million times better than the old one. Auto pilot is still a bit dodgy but on the motorway keeps you in lane nicely follows the car in front letting you relax just don't assume it is going to do everything right all the time. The ride is pretty good with very little roll doesn't bounce around on the bumps of Norfolk country roads, it is a little choppier on the bigger wheels I think this makes it feel a bit sportier though which is nice in something so fast.
The much talked about build quality has improved!! The interior fit is good no obvious panels that don't fit properly like on our cars which I count as progress. However the materials are still pretty rubbish in parts, the centre bin thing is just made of plastic that quite frankly wouldn't fly in a 1 series let alone something that cost this much. The passenger door handle has broken whilst I have had it as well.
I had been told that the 100 battery was a big step forward from the 90 so was looking forward to seeing the range that it got. I had been told real world figures like 300 miles to a charge which would really make me reconsider buying another. As the weather has been totally terrible cold, wet and windy the 3 things EVs really don't like I wasn't expecting to get close to that but was expecting a little better that 158 miles.
IMG_5563 by Elliot Simpson, on FlickrThat is with 92% charge just going back and forth to work on A and B roads. I worked out on a longer journey roughly in these conditions it would get 210 miles which is better than the 190ish I would expect to get from the 90 driving for range a bit more. Obviously an improvement but not as large as hoped.
All round this is a bloody fast car that if I didn't need to go long journeys regularly I would consider to replace mine as being able to run it really cheaply through a company makes it fairly unique. But ultimately at £140,000 I pretty much expect perfection in most areas, this just doesn't feel like its worth the money to me. For context you could get an new M5 and a new Caterham for the same money.
Sorry if this seems like a very negative post its not meant to be just trying to be honest. Apologies for the rubbish English as well hope it is readable.
If anyone wants to know anything about the P100D or either of my car or my dads just as and I will try answer.
Edited by ntiz on Wednesday 5th December 13:28
I seen a grey 90 a few days ago and all i can think, especially for the price of these things, is that they are so bland and dull that if they weren't electric, no one would buy one. 158 miles is terrible too.
I'm not against EV, i have a hybrid PHEV which is great as a company car.
I'm not against EV, i have a hybrid PHEV which is great as a company car.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 5th December 14:21
agent006 said:
I cant help thinking there would be an enormous market for a Tesla P50. Same batteries as a 100d but single motor with 180bhp and 500+ mile range as a 520d competitor.
This is something my father and I have been thinking for a while actually they aren't sports cars so no need to make them so uber fast. I would happily trade a second to 60 for another 100 miles of range. Although i'm not sure whether that is how the technology works.
agent006 said:
I cant help thinking there would be an enormous market for a Tesla P50. Same batteries as a 100d but single motor with 180bhp and 500+ mile range as a 520d competitor.
The problem is that, comparatively at least, the motors to give the performance are cheap in relation to the battery required for the range. Ergo a P50 would probably still be a £100k car, but with 520d performance. At least with the bonkers drag-strip performance the P100D has a party trick to attract punters.It doesn't seem like an overly negative post, it seems like a very reasonable and balanced review where you went in with an open mind and a positive outlook. Rare to find that for Teslas since (as you say) everyone is so dogmatic about them.
Personally I respect them but I don't fancy one. Couldn't really tell you why other than... I just don't.
Personally I respect them but I don't fancy one. Couldn't really tell you why other than... I just don't.
Good, honest, write up.
Clearly great in a straight line, but is that the only 'one trick' this particular 'pony' has, or is there more to it that is equally ground breaking beyond that?
I really don't see how this is a £140k car, from the outside it's as bland as bland can be, and aesthetically it really struggles to look like a £40K car, never mind something £100K more expensive. If it's anything like the last one I was in, then the inside is equally low rent.
I admire the technology greatly, and no doubt they've acted as an accelerator to other OEM's electrification efforts, but this leaves me completely cold.
Clearly great in a straight line, but is that the only 'one trick' this particular 'pony' has, or is there more to it that is equally ground breaking beyond that?
I really don't see how this is a £140k car, from the outside it's as bland as bland can be, and aesthetically it really struggles to look like a £40K car, never mind something £100K more expensive. If it's anything like the last one I was in, then the inside is equally low rent.
I admire the technology greatly, and no doubt they've acted as an accelerator to other OEM's electrification efforts, but this leaves me completely cold.
158 miles is pretty terrible - do you drive it very hard? I have to admit, if I had one on my current commute (120 miles day), I'd be launching at every opportunity!
If the winter range of a 100 is only 158 miles when driven in a normal fashion, it's really a bit of a non-starter. I suspect the price is being driven by the battery capacity, and what your experience is saying is that it needs about 50% more battery.
EVs do seem very susceptible to external conditions and driving style. My current commuter bus does 600 miles on a tank, pretty much regardless of weather conditions. If I drive it very hard, it drops to about 540, I've never got it below 520.
If the winter range of a 100 is only 158 miles when driven in a normal fashion, it's really a bit of a non-starter. I suspect the price is being driven by the battery capacity, and what your experience is saying is that it needs about 50% more battery.
EVs do seem very susceptible to external conditions and driving style. My current commuter bus does 600 miles on a tank, pretty much regardless of weather conditions. If I drive it very hard, it drops to about 540, I've never got it below 520.
had ham said:
Good, honest, write up.
Clearly great in a straight line, but is that the only 'one trick' this particular 'pony' has, or is there more to it that is equally ground breaking beyond that?
I really don't see how this is a £140k car, from the outside it's as bland as bland can be, and aesthetically it really struggles to look like a £40K car, never mind something £100K more expensive. If it's anything like the last one I was in, then the inside is equally low rent.
I admire the technology greatly, and no doubt they've acted as an accelerator to other OEM's electrification efforts, but this leaves me completely cold.
Its not a one trick pony totally what I would say is that the rest of the car doesn't live up to how spectacular that acceleration is. The best description for driving a Tesla hard is that you will smash a good bit road get to the end and go WOW that was fast but not with a smile on your face. You don't turn round to go do it again not sure if it is a good thing or a bad thing, it's just really easy to cover ground really fast. I think you feel like the car is doing it all for you so personally don't feel connected to the experience. Clearly great in a straight line, but is that the only 'one trick' this particular 'pony' has, or is there more to it that is equally ground breaking beyond that?
I really don't see how this is a £140k car, from the outside it's as bland as bland can be, and aesthetically it really struggles to look like a £40K car, never mind something £100K more expensive. If it's anything like the last one I was in, then the inside is equally low rent.
I admire the technology greatly, and no doubt they've acted as an accelerator to other OEM's electrification efforts, but this leaves me completely cold.
I wish that they would do a proper performance version wider track, bigger brakes, stiffer suspension etc. If you gave this car to the M division at BMW let them play with it the result i think would be spectacular. But it easy to say that when BMW have billions to spend, Tesla are still very new and very small with much bigger problems than pleasing what is a very small market. Most people I know who have driven these have thought it is the best car to drive in the world just because it is so fast off the lights.
The price just keeps jumping into my head when I drive it. Personally to spend 100k+ on a a car it has to feel really special in some way. Perhaps I'm not the target market though.
rxe said:
158 miles is pretty terrible - do you drive it very hard? I have to admit, if I had one on my current commute (120 miles day), I'd be launching at every opportunity!
If the winter range of a 100 is only 158 miles when driven in a normal fashion, it's really a bit of a non-starter. I suspect the price is being driven by the battery capacity, and what your experience is saying is that it needs about 50% more battery.
EVs do seem very susceptible to external conditions and driving style. My current commuter bus does 600 miles on a tank, pretty much regardless of weather conditions. If I drive it very hard, it drops to about 540, I've never got it below 520.
How hard do I drive is a tricky one as everyone is different. Put it this way I don't hang around but I don't break 100 unless I'm going for it. On the very quiet A roads to and from work I'm going motorway speeds maintaining my speed through all the corners. If the winter range of a 100 is only 158 miles when driven in a normal fashion, it's really a bit of a non-starter. I suspect the price is being driven by the battery capacity, and what your experience is saying is that it needs about 50% more battery.
EVs do seem very susceptible to external conditions and driving style. My current commuter bus does 600 miles on a tank, pretty much regardless of weather conditions. If I drive it very hard, it drops to about 540, I've never got it below 520.
Driving a bit more sensibly I would expect 200 this time of year but all depends on how you drive it. The graph is a little misleading unless you have seen one before my commute is not very long so the car doesn't get up to temperature so the really high bits are the car warming up the battery plus heated seats and heating the interior. It calms down after a while to a more sensible usage. In my experience though when it is cold like this it can take 100 miles before the car really starts to settle into getting a really good range.
For a 120 mile commute in the winter you would be totally fine unless you really went crazy at every opportunity like 100+.
The way that EVs are affected by pretty much everything is a big reason I'm actually planning on jumping ship next year to a hybrid of some kind. There is always a reason that you don't get full range too many hills, raining, head wind, cold, water on the ground or a mixture. If you lived California they are great, I took my dads 90 to Switzerland last year 28c no wind not a cloud in the sky was 90 mph whole way autopilot on 220 miles between charges with 3 up and mountains of stuff in the boot it was amazing worked great.
The problem is it seems to be for every one of those journeys i have 5 howlers were I find myself sat in a dark car park in the rain charging thinking I paid £85k to get home later and be inconvenienced this is a step back not forward.
As I said in my OP I do a lot of long distance miles so I notice this stuff more than most.
ntiz said:
How hard do I drive is a tricky one as everyone is different. Put it this way I don't hang around but I don't break 100 unless I'm going for it. On the very quiet A roads to and from work I'm going motorway speeds maintaining my speed through all the corners.
Driving a bit more sensibly I would expect 200 this time of year but all depends on how you drive it. The graph is a little misleading unless you have seen one before my commute is not very long so the car doesn't get up to temperature so the really high bits are the car warming up the battery plus heated seats and heating the interior. It calms down after a while to a more sensible usage. In my experience though when it is cold like this it can take 100 miles before the car really starts to settle into getting a really good range.
For a 120 mile commute in the winter you would be totally fine unless you really went crazy at every opportunity like 100+.
The way that EVs are affected by pretty much everything is a big reason I'm actually planning on jumping ship next year to a hybrid of some kind. There is always a reason that you don't get full range too many hills, raining, head wind, cold, water on the ground or a mixture. If you lived California they are great, I took my dads 90 to Switzerland last year 28c no wind not a cloud in the sky was 90 mph whole way autopilot on 220 miles between charges with 3 up and mountains of stuff in the boot it was amazing worked great.
The problem is it seems to be for every one of those journeys i have 5 howlers were I find myself sat in a dark car park in the rain charging thinking I paid £85k to get home later and be inconvenienced this is a step back not forward.
As I said in my OP I do a lot of long distance miles so I notice this stuff more than most.
OK - you drive it fast, but not like a maniac - which is how most people who enjoy driving actually drive. Driving a bit more sensibly I would expect 200 this time of year but all depends on how you drive it. The graph is a little misleading unless you have seen one before my commute is not very long so the car doesn't get up to temperature so the really high bits are the car warming up the battery plus heated seats and heating the interior. It calms down after a while to a more sensible usage. In my experience though when it is cold like this it can take 100 miles before the car really starts to settle into getting a really good range.
For a 120 mile commute in the winter you would be totally fine unless you really went crazy at every opportunity like 100+.
The way that EVs are affected by pretty much everything is a big reason I'm actually planning on jumping ship next year to a hybrid of some kind. There is always a reason that you don't get full range too many hills, raining, head wind, cold, water on the ground or a mixture. If you lived California they are great, I took my dads 90 to Switzerland last year 28c no wind not a cloud in the sky was 90 mph whole way autopilot on 220 miles between charges with 3 up and mountains of stuff in the boot it was amazing worked great.
The problem is it seems to be for every one of those journeys i have 5 howlers were I find myself sat in a dark car park in the rain charging thinking I paid £85k to get home later and be inconvenienced this is a step back not forward.
As I said in my OP I do a lot of long distance miles so I notice this stuff more than most.
I do think the current crop of hybrids are probably a better answer at the moment - something like 330E - blistering acceleration off the line, normal petrol car range and filling up capabilities and enough (quite powerful) EV range to do all the urban driving. If everyone got one of those tomorrow, all of the urban pollution problems would be solved, with zero infrastructure investment.
Interesting read!
I have owned a P90DL for 3 years now and use it predominantly for long journeys, i live 176 miles from my office and travel back and forth at least once a week. I am able to comfortably complete the journey without any range issues. I find in summer the the range increases considerably but even in winter i have no issues. The cold weather does affect the battery range until the point at which the batteries are up to temperature then the whole thing settles down and the range goes to a more sensible level. I don't think i have ever had the range as low as 150 so ti assume it was cold batteries, driving conditions and short journey etc.
I completely agree that the quality of the vehicle is not on a level of the likes of Audi, BMW and certainly not Porsche but when you take into account the total cost of ownership the Tesla is a compelling investment. No fuel, free charging, no need to service the vehicle, no road tax, cheap company car tax, tax benefits to a business buying one ......
Over 3 years of ownership i have had absolutely no issues with the reliability, its not been in the garage once which to be fair is better than the BMW's and Porsche's i have owned.
Mine is due a change as i usually change my cars every few years, the problem is now that i have had a full EV, i love the driving characteristics and i don't want to go back to an ICE or even a PHEV. My wife has a BMW X5 40e and i really don't like the way it and other PHEV's drive!!
I don't feel any need to be loyal to the Tesla brand but even though the likes of Jaguar now have an EV and the Audi will follow soon, no other company has the charging infrastructure that Tesla does.
All in all i would rate my whole Tesla experience as an 8/10, in order to score a 10 i would like a little more luxury from the interior.
I have owned a P90DL for 3 years now and use it predominantly for long journeys, i live 176 miles from my office and travel back and forth at least once a week. I am able to comfortably complete the journey without any range issues. I find in summer the the range increases considerably but even in winter i have no issues. The cold weather does affect the battery range until the point at which the batteries are up to temperature then the whole thing settles down and the range goes to a more sensible level. I don't think i have ever had the range as low as 150 so ti assume it was cold batteries, driving conditions and short journey etc.
I completely agree that the quality of the vehicle is not on a level of the likes of Audi, BMW and certainly not Porsche but when you take into account the total cost of ownership the Tesla is a compelling investment. No fuel, free charging, no need to service the vehicle, no road tax, cheap company car tax, tax benefits to a business buying one ......
Over 3 years of ownership i have had absolutely no issues with the reliability, its not been in the garage once which to be fair is better than the BMW's and Porsche's i have owned.
Mine is due a change as i usually change my cars every few years, the problem is now that i have had a full EV, i love the driving characteristics and i don't want to go back to an ICE or even a PHEV. My wife has a BMW X5 40e and i really don't like the way it and other PHEV's drive!!
I don't feel any need to be loyal to the Tesla brand but even though the likes of Jaguar now have an EV and the Audi will follow soon, no other company has the charging infrastructure that Tesla does.
All in all i would rate my whole Tesla experience as an 8/10, in order to score a 10 i would like a little more luxury from the interior.
rxe said:
OK - you drive it fast, but not like a maniac - which is how most people who enjoy driving actually drive.
I do think the current crop of hybrids are probably a better answer at the moment - something like 330E - blistering acceleration off the line, normal petrol car range and filling up capabilities and enough (quite powerful) EV range to do all the urban driving. If everyone got one of those tomorrow, all of the urban pollution problems would be solved, with zero infrastructure investment.
I will own up and say that when I went for a proper drive I saw consumption numbers that would suggest not much more than 60 miles range but I was using as much of the performance as I could. To be fair to it though what kind of MPG would you see out of an E63 if I drove it like that? Probably sub 15? I do think the current crop of hybrids are probably a better answer at the moment - something like 330E - blistering acceleration off the line, normal petrol car range and filling up capabilities and enough (quite powerful) EV range to do all the urban driving. If everyone got one of those tomorrow, all of the urban pollution problems would be solved, with zero infrastructure investment.
It would be really hard to keep that kind of driving up for more than 20 miles anyway so not that big a deal.
This is the conclusion that I have come to for my own usage. I'm going to be looking at the Cayenne E-Hybrid and the RRS Hybrid (yes I know not very sporty) as I think I will be able to commute on full electric but when I need to go further I can just drive as normal. Plus especially with the Cayenne they aren't slow I watched a youtube video they tested the 0-60 on a damp road at 4.4 which is no slouch. I remember when a 997 C2S was that kind of numbers!
On another note I really miss changing gear when I drive a Tesla fast.
Edited by ntiz on Thursday 6th December 13:32
Fortyfour said:
Interesting read!
I have owned a P90DL for 3 years now and use it predominantly for long journeys, i live 176 miles from my office and travel back and forth at least once a week. I am able to comfortably complete the journey without any range issues. I find in summer the the range increases considerably but even in winter i have no issues. The cold weather does affect the battery range until the point at which the batteries are up to temperature then the whole thing settles down and the range goes to a more sensible level. I don't think i have ever had the range as low as 150 so ti assume it was cold batteries, driving conditions and short journey etc.
I completely agree that the quality of the vehicle is not on a level of the likes of Audi, BMW and certainly not Porsche but when you take into account the total cost of ownership the Tesla is a compelling investment. No fuel, free charging, no need to service the vehicle, no road tax, cheap company car tax, tax benefits to a business buying one ......
Over 3 years of ownership i have had absolutely no issues with the reliability, its not been in the garage once which to be fair is better than the BMW's and Porsche's i have owned.
Mine is due a change as i usually change my cars every few years, the problem is now that i have had a full EV, i love the driving characteristics and i don't want to go back to an ICE or even a PHEV. My wife has a BMW X5 40e and i really don't like the way it and other PHEV's drive!!
I don't feel any need to be loyal to the Tesla brand but even though the likes of Jaguar now have an EV and the Audi will follow soon, no other company has the charging infrastructure that Tesla does.
All in all i would rate my whole Tesla experience as an 8/10, in order to score a 10 i would like a little more luxury from the interior.
Justifying getting rid of a Tesla is actually really difficult! You are right financially in a company they are hard to beat and no one has the infrastructure to get close to Tesla yet. Though I have high hopes for the network VAG, BMW, Mercedes etc are building. I have owned a P90DL for 3 years now and use it predominantly for long journeys, i live 176 miles from my office and travel back and forth at least once a week. I am able to comfortably complete the journey without any range issues. I find in summer the the range increases considerably but even in winter i have no issues. The cold weather does affect the battery range until the point at which the batteries are up to temperature then the whole thing settles down and the range goes to a more sensible level. I don't think i have ever had the range as low as 150 so ti assume it was cold batteries, driving conditions and short journey etc.
I completely agree that the quality of the vehicle is not on a level of the likes of Audi, BMW and certainly not Porsche but when you take into account the total cost of ownership the Tesla is a compelling investment. No fuel, free charging, no need to service the vehicle, no road tax, cheap company car tax, tax benefits to a business buying one ......
Over 3 years of ownership i have had absolutely no issues with the reliability, its not been in the garage once which to be fair is better than the BMW's and Porsche's i have owned.
Mine is due a change as i usually change my cars every few years, the problem is now that i have had a full EV, i love the driving characteristics and i don't want to go back to an ICE or even a PHEV. My wife has a BMW X5 40e and i really don't like the way it and other PHEV's drive!!
I don't feel any need to be loyal to the Tesla brand but even though the likes of Jaguar now have an EV and the Audi will follow soon, no other company has the charging infrastructure that Tesla does.
All in all i would rate my whole Tesla experience as an 8/10, in order to score a 10 i would like a little more luxury from the interior.
Unfortunately we can't say the same about reliability. My dads had a full suspension failure last year, I got the call yesterday to say one of my suspension arms need replacing and in the first 6 months my battery needed sending back to the factory I drove around with temporary one for a year. Lots of small niggles as well.
My dad is the same as you though really likes the way EVs drive loves the effortless acceleration doesn't intend to go back ICE for his daily. Unless something really catches his eye.
Plug Life said:
ntiz said:
Is it so hard to believe that I enjoy having a gearbox to worry about when pushing on a bit?
Yes.I'm with the OP. Manual gearboxes are more fun. That said, from how you've described the car, it wouldn't be suited to one even if it were possible/logical to fit one.
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