Fisher Fury, impuse buy!
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BS9ider said:
Zephyr Speedshop said:
BS9ider said:
Great project, look forward to reading more. That 131 gearbox is bomb proof, I've installed the same in my 124.
Got a thread? I do like classic fiat !
Cracking little drive out this morning. My local alignment guy has moved jobs, and the garage was 'fully booked' Chris would definitely have squeezed me in so I went over to denmead tyres. Who I knew wouldn't freakout about doing it.
After Abit of a faff trying to find something suitable to list it as. (Computer says no!) Turns out it's a 1973 cortina
Much better now. I have alot more confidence in the turnin now was it seemed twitchy before not sure if that's a placebo effect or a real.
Decided to calibrate the Speedo as one of the guys on the group was able to point me in the right direction. You have to give pin 12 a 12v connection to start the gauge in configuration mode. I've got it dialled now but it's still abit all over the place. Very tempted to get a GPS based one.
Behind the dash is abit of a state. Leading me more towards stand alone management.
Got some time to inspect the engine. And I'm pretty confident it's a turbo lump as there's a map sensor as well as the turbo Manifold. I've asked the twin cam Group to help identify it for sure.
Pretty sure that's a low comp piston.
No idea if that's a fruity cam or not?
If it is a turbo lump the cost of getting it to a reasonable compression to run NA will far out way just bolting a turbo on it. I'd prefer it to be an na screamer, but I may as well go down the road I've been delt.
so I went over to denmead tyres. Who I knew wouldn't freakout about doing it. After Abit of a faff trying to find something suitable to list it as. (Computer says no!) Turns out it's a 1973 cortina
Much better now. I have alot more confidence in the turnin now was it seemed twitchy before not sure if that's a placebo effect or a real.
Decided to calibrate the Speedo as one of the guys on the group was able to point me in the right direction. You have to give pin 12 a 12v connection to start the gauge in configuration mode. I've got it dialled now but it's still abit all over the place. Very tempted to get a GPS based one.
Behind the dash is abit of a state. Leading me more towards stand alone management.
Got some time to inspect the engine. And I'm pretty confident it's a turbo lump as there's a map sensor as well as the turbo Manifold. I've asked the twin cam Group to help identify it for sure.
Pretty sure that's a low comp piston.
No idea if that's a fruity cam or not?
If it is a turbo lump the cost of getting it to a reasonable compression to run NA will far out way just bolting a turbo on it. I'd prefer it to be an na screamer, but I may as well go down the road I've been delt.
Mr Tidy said:
I can see the appeal of an N/A screamer as these Fiat twin-cams really work well like that.
But then again if it is a turbo I don't remember anyone complaining about the engine in Integrales!
A good engine is good engine even when boosted ! Maybe a super charger gives me that hight rpm setup I want and I've never done a super charger before.But then again if it is a turbo I don't remember anyone complaining about the engine in Integrales!
Cheers guys. One of the chaps on the FB group, has identified it as a 1.6ie NA engine. However there some discussion on whether that's a dished turbo piston. Although I think it looks domed ?
Can't find any numbers on the head, but if it is running low compression pistons I doubt it would even make 80bhp with out a turbo on it.
Can't find any numbers on the head, but if it is running low compression pistons I doubt it would even make 80bhp with out a turbo on it.
The Fiat 1756 in the 124 produced for export to California was low compression with flat pistons, air injection, 4/1 manifold, small carb and catalytic converter. That was rated at 86hp. So your 1600 should be well north of that.
You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
BS9ider said:
The Fiat 1756 in the 124 produced for export to California was low compression with flat pistons, air injection, 4/1 manifold, small carb and catalytic converter. That was rated at 86hp. So your 1600 should be well north of that.
You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
I'm pretty confident it's a delta 1.6 IE NA engine which should be 106bhp. However if it's been fitted with turbo pistons I will be really low comp. Even in cooking na trim there only 9.1 You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
However I'm 99% it has these pistons in
You can see the valve cutaways in my endoscope photo.
So as a minimum I have a stock delta Na 1.6 Twincam
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Sunday 1st October 21:00
Im loving it, it's really really fun to drive. Starting to get abit of confidence with it now it's aligned it feels the same in both directions. And it's quite progressive towards the limit. Plenty of warning it's stepping out on throttle. Closest feeling I can think of is a go kart with a locked axel. Is definitely slightly sideways or on the edge but is totally manageable.
I'm really going to have to help him with the Mustang . It's really not a happy bunny. Hot Start issues doest change gear when it should. Right hand bank puffs blue smoke. And stalls in reverse or low speed manoeuvres.
It is freaking cool tho.
I've no clue what's up with me I still can't decide if the fury is fast or not ? Can do a double overtake with no dramas. But just doesn't give me the feeling of acceleration. My pug pulls way harder in gear. But maybe this is just so liner you don't feel it.
It's also not helped by everything feeling fast as it's so raw.
Still loads Todo but it's a freaking riot to drive. And the wheels are growing on me. But I still think some miniltes or similar would be better suited.
I'm really going to have to help him with the Mustang . It's really not a happy bunny. Hot Start issues doest change gear when it should. Right hand bank puffs blue smoke. And stalls in reverse or low speed manoeuvres.
It is freaking cool tho.
I've no clue what's up with me I still can't decide if the fury is fast or not ? Can do a double overtake with no dramas. But just doesn't give me the feeling of acceleration. My pug pulls way harder in gear. But maybe this is just so liner you don't feel it.
It's also not helped by everything feeling fast as it's so raw.
Still loads Todo but it's a freaking riot to drive. And the wheels are growing on me. But I still think some miniltes or similar would be better suited.
Fiat group made so many variations of Lampredi twin-cams. They even did 2 litre ones with superchargers in the Beta Volumex Coupe and HPE.
If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
Mr Tidy said:
Fiat group made so many variations of Lampredi twin-cams. They even did 2 litre ones with superchargers in the Beta Volumex Coupe and HPE.
If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
im pretty confident that its, a N/A engine now. i thing the endoscope photos just confused a few people as they do look dished. but they look like the right pistons the even have the flat valve recceses on. If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
if it is making its quoted 106 bhp . then that would make it 176bhp per ton (it doesnt feel like this to me, but i think its very linier in the power delivery). i think i wants to be nearer the 300 bhp per ton mark to feel properly fast. and stay drivable. to put that in perspective it would need to be 180 bhp to achevie that . and 120 bhp is 200bhp per ton. the turbo 205 was 263 per tone and my 208 is 216.
so i really think the tiwn cam is a viable engine. with stand alone with electronic ignition and itb's i think its realistic to get it into the 120/130 mark. just letting it rev, will help as it feels like it wants to pull past the limiter. the guy croft book suggests the 1.6 is happy reving up to 8k rpm. id feel alot happier if it had at least uprated rod bolts for that. current rpm limit is 6.5k from the original weber ecu.
further down the line a set of cams and a ported and mayble mildly decked. would make it abit of a ripper. without braking the bank, or having to put somthing else into it.
Zephyr Speedshop said:
I'm really going to have to help him with the Mustang . It's really not a happy bunny. Hot Start issues doest change gear when it should. Right hand bank puffs blue smoke. And stalls in reverse or low speed manoeuvres.
It is freaking cool tho.
Sounds like back to basics.. Start with timing (check timing marks/tdc etc) and work through to the carb.It is freaking cool tho.
And yes it is very cool. I am biased though.
Zephyr Speedshop said:
im pretty confident that its, a N/A engine now. i thing the endoscope photos just confused a few people as they do look dished. but they look like the right pistons the even have the flat valve recceses on.
if it is making its quoted 106 bhp . then that would make it 176bhp per ton (it doesnt feel like this to me, but i think its very linier in the power delivery). i think i wants to be nearer the 300 bhp per ton mark to feel properly fast. and stay drivable. to put that in perspective it would need to be 180 bhp to achevie that . and 120 bhp is 200bhp per ton. the turbo 205 was 263 per tone and my 208 is 216.
so i really think the tiwn cam is a viable engine. with stand alone with electronic ignition and itb's i think its realistic to get it into the 120/130 mark. just letting it rev, will help as it feels like it wants to pull past the limiter. the guy croft book suggests the 1.6 is happy reving up to 8k rpm. id feel alot happier if it had at least uprated rod bolts for that. current rpm limit is 6.5k from the original weber ecu.
further down the line a set of cams and a ported and mayble mildly decked. would make it abit of a ripper. without braking the bank, or having to put somthing else into it.
I navigate a rally car powered by a Lampredi twincam in FIAT guise.if it is making its quoted 106 bhp . then that would make it 176bhp per ton (it doesnt feel like this to me, but i think its very linier in the power delivery). i think i wants to be nearer the 300 bhp per ton mark to feel properly fast. and stay drivable. to put that in perspective it would need to be 180 bhp to achevie that . and 120 bhp is 200bhp per ton. the turbo 205 was 263 per tone and my 208 is 216.
so i really think the tiwn cam is a viable engine. with stand alone with electronic ignition and itb's i think its realistic to get it into the 120/130 mark. just letting it rev, will help as it feels like it wants to pull past the limiter. the guy croft book suggests the 1.6 is happy reving up to 8k rpm. id feel alot happier if it had at least uprated rod bolts for that. current rpm limit is 6.5k from the original weber ecu.
further down the line a set of cams and a ported and mayble mildly decked. would make it abit of a ripper. without braking the bank, or having to put somthing else into it.
It's a 1750 on twin weber downdrafts, and is good for about 130 bhp, if my memory serves.
They do need to rev.
Mark-insert old BMW said:
If you were looking for something cheap, an M44/1.9 twin cam from a BMW Z3 or Compact can be had for less than £200 and are pretty bulletproof. I stuck some S54 ITB's and DTA on mine. 
be a fun little lump ive had a 318is with a m44. but it flows the wrong way so would be a bit of a job to fit. not impossible tho . but be way easier to put a zetec in for similar power and way more aftermarket parts. Gassing Station | Readers' Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff