Fisher Fury, impuse buy!
Discussion
Mr Tidy said:
I think they were only ever fitted transversely, so I'm not sure how easily you could fit one to your car - certainly different though!
I seem to recall someone on here had a 5 cylinder Turbo Coupe that was making over 300bhp!
I could definitely be wrong but I think it's dirved from the fiat twin cam, so will likely fit the 131 box already in the car. I seem to recall someone on here had a 5 cylinder Turbo Coupe that was making over 300bhp!
Regbuser said:
Might be worth joining this group to see what you can do with the Fiat parts > Facebook
https://m.facebook.com › groups
Fiat Lancia Twin Cam Tuning and modifications
yeah ive alread asked a few questions on there. i need to just get it on the road and get afeel for it now. i think it will be absolutley fine with a ligfht fettle. https://m.facebook.com › groups
Fiat Lancia Twin Cam Tuning and modifications
was thinking last night my old zcars mini was 590kg with a 130bhp gsxr1000 and that was penty fast enough. so if this in in the 150s with some messing id be quite happy.
Holy moly it's freaking riot to drive. .it's definitely not that quick but it's great fun. Finally got the diff back and put it in the car tonight.
I've been stuck at work as we're exhibiting at Southampton boat show. And I'm designated driver and Sherpa for the Mrs and daughter at Disney Paris the next 3days. Supper chuffed I got to drive it properly tonight. Be screwing in France if I still haddent
shorter FD and LSD.
So major issue I need to fix asap is head rests or high back seats. As at the moment as a minimum I'll have severe whiplash. Or worse I'll cave the back of my skull in on the roll bar. If I got rear ended.
terrible photo but you can see the risk with the roll bar.
It's not an easy car to get seats for so I'm tempted to have some pads made for the roll bar? What do you guys think ?
It definitely needs an alignment. And I'm really tempted to bolt the doors shut as the rattle like nobody's business even with the strikers adjusted in tighter.
I'll try and sort out an onboard when I'm back from France.
I've been stuck at work as we're exhibiting at Southampton boat show. And I'm designated driver and Sherpa for the Mrs and daughter at Disney Paris the next 3days. Supper chuffed I got to drive it properly tonight. Be screwing in France if I still haddent
shorter FD and LSD.
So major issue I need to fix asap is head rests or high back seats. As at the moment as a minimum I'll have severe whiplash. Or worse I'll cave the back of my skull in on the roll bar. If I got rear ended.
terrible photo but you can see the risk with the roll bar. It's not an easy car to get seats for so I'm tempted to have some pads made for the roll bar? What do you guys think ?
It definitely needs an alignment. And I'm really tempted to bolt the doors shut as the rattle like nobody's business even with the strikers adjusted in tighter.
I'll try and sort out an onboard when I'm back from France.
Alright I'm sat in the bar waiting on the SWMBO and nipper to meet me. Can't stop thinking about what Todo with the fury well excited to get stuck into this one.
So the list at the moment is.
Headrests/seats asap
Alignment!
Oil leaks
Speedo calibration
Headlights
Exhaust
Various rattles and loose pats.
Wheels
More power
I'm back at the show on Friday so il going to have a chat with a couple of sail/cover makers I'm friendly with as the existing seats are comfortable and keep me low in the car well below the screen. I'm leaning towards just having a some neat padded wraps for the bar's as my head is well Clear of them. Not hit my head once it only if I got a wack from behind it would be a problem.
Alignment, everything is fixed ? Except front toe Which suprises me, I'm tempted to get the adjustable kit from fisher as it makes no sense to me in to have it all fixed and it's not like nvh is ever going to come into it.
Oil leaks, I fixed one I think, it had a 100mm filter on the remote mocal, which was hitting the housing. So put a standard 75mm one on. It does still have a major leak on the oil manifold on the side of the block. I nipped a few bits up but not holding much hope out think I need to refresh the gaskets. Night be the oil pan to. Which gives me chance to see if it's baffled
Speedo Cali is proving difficult. VDO singlevue gauge doest seem to let me change the pulse settings after first install? Will do some research on it. As it must be possible
1 head light is down and there like candles. So need to work out what I can fit instead. As this will definitely get used at night.
Exhaust, it's way way to loud, won't be long before the local estate FB group is out to lunch me
need to see what's in the sill but plan in fitting the longest silencer that will fit. It will still be pretty loud.
Rattles will be on going I think
Wheels I hate the Te37 reps. But can't decide on what Todo 13" revolutions are top of the list at the moment but might not clear the brakes they look quite beefy
Power is going to be a slow burn. I tempted to get a standalone ecu as I'll need that whatever I do. An will make a bit more power with that an a a cheapy itb kit or at least get the dcoe style itbs as probably need them too
Can't wait to start digging through this one and getting it mint
So the list at the moment is.
Headrests/seats asap
Alignment!
Oil leaks
Speedo calibration
Headlights
Exhaust
Various rattles and loose pats.
Wheels
More power
I'm back at the show on Friday so il going to have a chat with a couple of sail/cover makers I'm friendly with as the existing seats are comfortable and keep me low in the car well below the screen. I'm leaning towards just having a some neat padded wraps for the bar's as my head is well Clear of them. Not hit my head once it only if I got a wack from behind it would be a problem.
Alignment, everything is fixed ? Except front toe Which suprises me, I'm tempted to get the adjustable kit from fisher as it makes no sense to me in to have it all fixed and it's not like nvh is ever going to come into it.
Oil leaks, I fixed one I think, it had a 100mm filter on the remote mocal, which was hitting the housing. So put a standard 75mm one on. It does still have a major leak on the oil manifold on the side of the block. I nipped a few bits up but not holding much hope out think I need to refresh the gaskets. Night be the oil pan to. Which gives me chance to see if it's baffled
Speedo Cali is proving difficult. VDO singlevue gauge doest seem to let me change the pulse settings after first install? Will do some research on it. As it must be possible
1 head light is down and there like candles. So need to work out what I can fit instead. As this will definitely get used at night.
Exhaust, it's way way to loud, won't be long before the local estate FB group is out to lunch me
need to see what's in the sill but plan in fitting the longest silencer that will fit. It will still be pretty loud. Rattles will be on going I think
Wheels I hate the Te37 reps. But can't decide on what Todo 13" revolutions are top of the list at the moment but might not clear the brakes they look quite beefy
Power is going to be a slow burn. I tempted to get a standalone ecu as I'll need that whatever I do. An will make a bit more power with that an a a cheapy itb kit or at least get the dcoe style itbs as probably need them too
Can't wait to start digging through this one and getting it mint
Sorry chaps slow burner this one where I'm so busy. Desperate to get stuck in.
It's bloody tiny, it's fits under the west quay parking barriers see if I get a fine
Had Abit of a measure up and shopping spree last night
I've ordered,
A high flow cat
Exhaust parts
700mm 6" silencer
Timing belt
Exhaust manifold gasket
Oil pan gasket
Oil filter housing gasket
It's way too loud, sounds like it's blowing. And the exhaust tip is inside the sill so its pretty smelly. Also with nipper I think it's prudent to fit a cat and will help with how loud it is, as I don't have much length to work with. 1.2 meters is the length inside the sill.
And VDO experts here? I need to get to this part of the menu? Is there a way to hard reset the gauge? Can't find anything online
It's bloody tiny, it's fits under the west quay parking barriers
see if I get a fine Had Abit of a measure up and shopping spree last night
I've ordered,
A high flow cat
Exhaust parts
700mm 6" silencer
Timing belt
Exhaust manifold gasket
Oil pan gasket
Oil filter housing gasket
It's way too loud, sounds like it's blowing. And the exhaust tip is inside the sill so its pretty smelly. Also with nipper I think it's prudent to fit a cat and will help with how loud it is, as I don't have much length to work with. 1.2 meters is the length inside the sill.
And VDO experts here? I need to get to this part of the menu? Is there a way to hard reset the gauge? Can't find anything online
Little update.
Been lots of fettling, working through rattles and niggles. Starting to get abit braver with it too. Had fun on the way home last night after seeing some friends.
I think I've sorted the oil leak, turns out the the oil filter housing was definitely leaking. The remote oil filled takeoff wasn't very tight and the seals are hard. As od ordered the gasket for the housing I fitted that as well.
I assumed the remote filter housing was due to the engine mount being close to it. However once I got it off I realised there's plenty of room for a filter. So a removed the remote system. As I can't see any reason to have it it's just a whole lot of connections with potential to leak.
I've got most the exhaust parts, now so hopefully get that done the weekend.
My phone says it's 88db at idle. But it doesn't seem to go any higher than that. It just flat lines. Which suggests it's even louder. Will see if I can get my hands on a dB meter or try another app.
I've Also removed the lancia emblem. Just seems Abit odd to have that on there and it's pretty weighty. It's made of metal
Been lots of fettling, working through rattles and niggles. Starting to get abit braver with it too. Had fun on the way home last night after seeing some friends.
I think I've sorted the oil leak, turns out the the oil filter housing was definitely leaking. The remote oil filled takeoff wasn't very tight and the seals are hard. As od ordered the gasket for the housing I fitted that as well.
I assumed the remote filter housing was due to the engine mount being close to it. However once I got it off I realised there's plenty of room for a filter. So a removed the remote system. As I can't see any reason to have it it's just a whole lot of connections with potential to leak.
I've got most the exhaust parts, now so hopefully get that done the weekend.
My phone says it's 88db at idle. But it doesn't seem to go any higher than that. It just flat lines. Which suggests it's even louder. Will see if I can get my hands on a dB meter or try another app.
I've Also removed the lancia emblem. Just seems Abit odd to have that on there and it's pretty weighty. It's made of metal
Mark-insert old BMW said:
I've always liked these. I remember Mark Whatshisname having one when he made that series for cable tv about building a race car I believe? A racing car is born maybe?
I saw this for sale and thought it was a bargain too. Had I not been a bit of a lump I would have had a punt but I figured I'd just get stuck.
Defo needs to be high revving and N/A.
It's surprisingly roomy yes the seats are pretty tight. But because it has a body there's space for you shoulders. I find I want to put my arm Through the side of a caterhamI saw this for sale and thought it was a bargain too. Had I not been a bit of a lump I would have had a punt but I figured I'd just get stuck.
Defo needs to be high revving and N/A.
I've been reading up on the TC and apparently there good for 8k on stock pistons. I'm still not sure what I want to do. I think going stand alone and seeing what the TC makes is a good start. If I can get anywhere between 150 and 200 bhp I think it will be properly fast. It's not slow now. But I'm still getting my head around it. Its so loud I don't want to ring it out
Some progress. No drips from the front of the block last night so I can actually clean the garage floor now
I didn't do that tho. I got stuck into the exhaust tonight. And I'm really pleased it's way quiter. On cold start. Got load left Todo but here tonights progress.
Looks like the old silencer is home made. And it doesn't have any wadding in, also the perforated tube has come adrift and is just floating about in there. But it's othwis well made. And looked are tight. So not sure why it sounded like it was blowing.
The new one I made tonight sounds spot on.
Hopefully it will be much better once on the road.
I've fitted a high flow cat. Mostly to absorb Abit of noise. But will hopefully make the emmisions alittle less aggressive. I'm not sure how it got an sva in 2021 without one.
Don't judge my welds I'm definitely still working on them
I just need to get the body panel trimmed to suite the new angle. I'm also going to make sure its outside the body.
As I can't work out why the car fills with exhaust fumes. As the old one seemed pretty good. I'm wondering if the big hole in the font wheel arch and open area into the engine bay. Is a negative pressure and it's actually sucking the exhaust gases forward? The old exhaust tip was just inside the sill panel . So my new tip will be 20/30mm proud when I'm finished. Which I hope will get it into the air steam and way from the cab.
I didn't do that tho. I got stuck into the exhaust tonight. And I'm really pleased it's way quiter. On cold start. Got load left Todo but here tonights progress.
Looks like the old silencer is home made. And it doesn't have any wadding in, also the perforated tube has come adrift and is just floating about in there. But it's othwis well made. And looked are tight. So not sure why it sounded like it was blowing.
The new one I made tonight sounds spot on.
Hopefully it will be much better once on the road.
I've fitted a high flow cat. Mostly to absorb Abit of noise. But will hopefully make the emmisions alittle less aggressive. I'm not sure how it got an sva in 2021 without one.
Don't judge my welds I'm definitely still working on them
I just need to get the body panel trimmed to suite the new angle. I'm also going to make sure its outside the body.
As I can't work out why the car fills with exhaust fumes. As the old one seemed pretty good. I'm wondering if the big hole in the font wheel arch and open area into the engine bay. Is a negative pressure and it's actually sucking the exhaust gases forward? The old exhaust tip was just inside the sill panel . So my new tip will be 20/30mm proud when I'm finished. Which I hope will get it into the air steam and way from the cab.
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Thursday 28th September 19:50
What a difference, it's all induction noise now! Still sounds good above 5k but it's nice and quiet lower down the rpm range.
Made nippers day picking her up in it from school
Nipped to the shop for supplies and she's giggled all the way home.
I'm still getting some fumes in the cockpit but it is way better. I need to have a think about where that's coming from..
I Also need to make a new ally cover plate as got my measurements out somewhere with the 45deg tail pipe. Easy enough to sort tho. An I want to blank the holes of I'm the font of the sills as there just filling up with debris from the tyres. So got some alloy sheet on order.
Can't believe how much the little exhaust grows when hot. It contacts the back of the hole once hot. Once I have then new ally I'll set it at the front of the hole with a good 20mm to the rear so it has room to move.
So much more enjoyable now it's not embarrassingly loud.
Made nippers day picking her up in it from school
Nipped to the shop for supplies and she's giggled all the way home.
I'm still getting some fumes in the cockpit but it is way better. I need to have a think about where that's coming from..
I Also need to make a new ally cover plate as got my measurements out somewhere with the 45deg tail pipe. Easy enough to sort tho. An I want to blank the holes of I'm the font of the sills as there just filling up with debris from the tyres. So got some alloy sheet on order.
Can't believe how much the little exhaust grows when hot. It contacts the back of the hole once hot. Once I have then new ally I'll set it at the front of the hole with a good 20mm to the rear so it has room to move.
So much more enjoyable now it's not embarrassingly loud.
BS9ider said:
Zephyr Speedshop said:
BS9ider said:
Great project, look forward to reading more. That 131 gearbox is bomb proof, I've installed the same in my 124.
Got a thread? I do like classic fiat !Cracking little drive out this morning. My local alignment guy has moved jobs, and the garage was 'fully booked' Chris would definitely have squeezed me in so I went over to denmead tyres. Who I knew wouldn't freakout about doing it.
After Abit of a faff trying to find something suitable to list it as. (Computer says no!) Turns out it's a 1973 cortina
Much better now. I have alot more confidence in the turnin now was it seemed twitchy before not sure if that's a placebo effect or a real.
Decided to calibrate the Speedo as one of the guys on the group was able to point me in the right direction. You have to give pin 12 a 12v connection to start the gauge in configuration mode. I've got it dialled now but it's still abit all over the place. Very tempted to get a GPS based one.
Behind the dash is abit of a state. Leading me more towards stand alone management.
Got some time to inspect the engine. And I'm pretty confident it's a turbo lump as there's a map sensor as well as the turbo Manifold. I've asked the twin cam Group to help identify it for sure.
Pretty sure that's a low comp piston.
No idea if that's a fruity cam or not?
If it is a turbo lump the cost of getting it to a reasonable compression to run NA will far out way just bolting a turbo on it. I'd prefer it to be an na screamer, but I may as well go down the road I've been delt.
so I went over to denmead tyres. Who I knew wouldn't freakout about doing it. After Abit of a faff trying to find something suitable to list it as. (Computer says no!) Turns out it's a 1973 cortina
Much better now. I have alot more confidence in the turnin now was it seemed twitchy before not sure if that's a placebo effect or a real.
Decided to calibrate the Speedo as one of the guys on the group was able to point me in the right direction. You have to give pin 12 a 12v connection to start the gauge in configuration mode. I've got it dialled now but it's still abit all over the place. Very tempted to get a GPS based one.
Behind the dash is abit of a state. Leading me more towards stand alone management.
Got some time to inspect the engine. And I'm pretty confident it's a turbo lump as there's a map sensor as well as the turbo Manifold. I've asked the twin cam Group to help identify it for sure.
Pretty sure that's a low comp piston.
No idea if that's a fruity cam or not?
If it is a turbo lump the cost of getting it to a reasonable compression to run NA will far out way just bolting a turbo on it. I'd prefer it to be an na screamer, but I may as well go down the road I've been delt.
Mr Tidy said:
I can see the appeal of an N/A screamer as these Fiat twin-cams really work well like that.
But then again if it is a turbo I don't remember anyone complaining about the engine in Integrales!
A good engine is good engine even when boosted ! Maybe a super charger gives me that hight rpm setup I want and I've never done a super charger before.But then again if it is a turbo I don't remember anyone complaining about the engine in Integrales!
Cheers guys. One of the chaps on the FB group, has identified it as a 1.6ie NA engine. However there some discussion on whether that's a dished turbo piston. Although I think it looks domed ?
Can't find any numbers on the head, but if it is running low compression pistons I doubt it would even make 80bhp with out a turbo on it.
Can't find any numbers on the head, but if it is running low compression pistons I doubt it would even make 80bhp with out a turbo on it.
BS9ider said:
The Fiat 1756 in the 124 produced for export to California was low compression with flat pistons, air injection, 4/1 manifold, small carb and catalytic converter. That was rated at 86hp. So your 1600 should be well north of that.
You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
I'm pretty confident it's a delta 1.6 IE NA engine which should be 106bhp. However if it's been fitted with turbo pistons I will be really low comp. Even in cooking na trim there only 9.1 You might find the engine number stamped above the oil filter housing.
However I'm 99% it has these pistons in
You can see the valve cutaways in my endoscope photo.
So as a minimum I have a stock delta Na 1.6 Twincam
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Sunday 1st October 21:00
Im loving it, it's really really fun to drive. Starting to get abit of confidence with it now it's aligned it feels the same in both directions. And it's quite progressive towards the limit. Plenty of warning it's stepping out on throttle. Closest feeling I can think of is a go kart with a locked axel. Is definitely slightly sideways or on the edge but is totally manageable.
I'm really going to have to help him with the Mustang . It's really not a happy bunny. Hot Start issues doest change gear when it should. Right hand bank puffs blue smoke. And stalls in reverse or low speed manoeuvres.
It is freaking cool tho.
I've no clue what's up with me I still can't decide if the fury is fast or not ? Can do a double overtake with no dramas. But just doesn't give me the feeling of acceleration. My pug pulls way harder in gear. But maybe this is just so liner you don't feel it.
It's also not helped by everything feeling fast as it's so raw.
Still loads Todo but it's a freaking riot to drive. And the wheels are growing on me. But I still think some miniltes or similar would be better suited.
I'm really going to have to help him with the Mustang . It's really not a happy bunny. Hot Start issues doest change gear when it should. Right hand bank puffs blue smoke. And stalls in reverse or low speed manoeuvres.
It is freaking cool tho.
I've no clue what's up with me I still can't decide if the fury is fast or not ? Can do a double overtake with no dramas. But just doesn't give me the feeling of acceleration. My pug pulls way harder in gear. But maybe this is just so liner you don't feel it.
It's also not helped by everything feeling fast as it's so raw.
Still loads Todo but it's a freaking riot to drive. And the wheels are growing on me. But I still think some miniltes or similar would be better suited.
Mr Tidy said:
Fiat group made so many variations of Lampredi twin-cams. They even did 2 litre ones with superchargers in the Beta Volumex Coupe and HPE.
If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
im pretty confident that its, a N/A engine now. i thing the endoscope photos just confused a few people as they do look dished. but they look like the right pistons the even have the flat valve recceses on. If yours is a 1.6 from a Delta with Turbo pistons maybe it's from a Delta HF Turbo?
But any 1.6 ought to be 90bhp at least, which should still be fun in something as light as your Fisher!
if it is making its quoted 106 bhp . then that would make it 176bhp per ton (it doesnt feel like this to me, but i think its very linier in the power delivery). i think i wants to be nearer the 300 bhp per ton mark to feel properly fast. and stay drivable. to put that in perspective it would need to be 180 bhp to achevie that . and 120 bhp is 200bhp per ton. the turbo 205 was 263 per tone and my 208 is 216.
so i really think the tiwn cam is a viable engine. with stand alone with electronic ignition and itb's i think its realistic to get it into the 120/130 mark. just letting it rev, will help as it feels like it wants to pull past the limiter. the guy croft book suggests the 1.6 is happy reving up to 8k rpm. id feel alot happier if it had at least uprated rod bolts for that. current rpm limit is 6.5k from the original weber ecu.
further down the line a set of cams and a ported and mayble mildly decked. would make it abit of a ripper. without braking the bank, or having to put somthing else into it.
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