Fisher Fury, impuse buy!

[sdh2903]

That pickup looks way too high. How much would you estimate the gap between it and the sump is? Should only be 6 or 8mm or so gap.

[Zephyr Speedshop]

Update!

I don't want to jinx it but I think we might be all good.

Below photos are from the series of frustrated photos I sent my dad (no 1 the worst one ) although he's not a petrol head, he's a bloody gifted engineer and I've never not known him fix/bodge something. Not limited to jb welding the engine block on his boat he's not replied yet but yesterday he thought I wouldn't have much luck. Until he sore the photos and suggested to try blow torching the white metal off. Whilst I was able to melt the Bearing itself. I couldn't get the crank got enough to do it.


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was able to get the white metal molten on the shell






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I was being way too gentle. Then I started putting some elbow grease in and I think with literally all of my various appendages Crossed it will fight another day.



Crank journals across the land are shuddering!

Awkward weight for parts now just want the shells so I can crack on. I've also ordered some assembly lube as I want to give it the best possible chance to work. Will also crank it till I get oil pressure without the plugs in.

Can everyone cross there fingers and crack a beer. I need all of the luck for this lump. As I was just starting to really like the idea of 8k rpm and itbs. I must also add the engine is like bloody new inside. It's absolutely mint. Be a travisty if it doesn't make it.

[Zephyr Speedshop]

sdh2903 said:

That pickup looks way too high. How much would you estimate the gap between it and the sump is? Should only be 6 or 8mm or so gap.

That's a job for tomorrow although it does have a modified sump so. I suspect it is about right. My understanding is that the oil level generally isn't an issue as long as the cranks aren't swimming in it. So there's at least another 50/60 mm of oil level available. Possibly more. I'm got to mark the dipstick about 5/10mm below the crank path. And run with that. I'm sure in a high end race engine there's a negative to that but for what this engine will do the I can't see an issue. Rather have more of the luby stuff

[sdh2903]

Zephyr Speedshop said:

That's a job for tomorrow although it does have a modified sump so. I suspect it is about right. My understanding is that the oil level generally isn't an issue as long as the cranks aren't swimming in it. So there's at least another 50/60 mm of oil level available. Possibly more. I'm got to mark the dipstick about 5/10mm below the crank path. And run with that. I'm sure in a high end race engine there's a negative to that but for what this engine will do the I can't see an issue. Rather have more of the luby stuff

You don't generally want the oil level that close to the crank. When it's sloshing you will get the crank hitting it and cause oil aeration which you don't want. It will vary engine to engine but 50/60mm seems to be the norm depending on the design.

I asked about the pickup as it looks from the pic that the dipstick is an inch or so below the pickup? If you can get the pickup 10-15mm lower it will give you the equivalent of an extra litre of oil without overfilling.

Plasticine or lightly balled tinfoil on the pickup will give you a measurement between pickup and sump.

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[Zephyr Speedshop]

Curiosity got the cat. And I had a measure.

There's about 15mm between the picku and the base of the sump , then there's approximately 70mm from the cranks to the base of the pick up. .

So that doesn't leave me much room. The oil seems stable at around 30mm above the top mark. So I think what I will do is put marks on the dip stick every 10 mm and then run the minimum oil it takes for it to be stable at all times. I can't think of a better way to make sure it's safe.

Presumably if the oil is airated I will run into pressure issues as well so ther will be a sweet spot in between.

[Yazza54]

Is there a baffle of any sort around where the pickup is?

[Zephyr Speedshop]

It's not a the best tc big wing sump copy but I don't think it's too bad. It's supposed to have trap doors out of the wings. However this sort of loosely does the same thing. I'm sure if it was a racing application this would be dog st but for the odd track day and mucking about I think it will be fine.







It just needs enough oil, I took 3.5 ish liters out. After I added over a litre!!! This engine should have 5-6 litres of oil in. With the wings added to the sump the capacity can't be far off the original. Well not 2 liters worth anyway.

I think I could safely add another liter to the 3.5 and still be well clear of the cranks.

[andburg]

What’s the capacity of the lower area? I’d guess that’s been vastly reduced to allow fitment and that such a long bend starved it rather than a poor pickup or low oil level.

Any room to add more capacity to that area? I’d expect adding extra oil to help but if the reservoir for pickup is too small I don’t think baffles would.

A Google of fiat twin cam sump gives a plethora of big wing conversions to increase the low down capacity.

[Zephyr Speedshop]

andburg said:

What’s the capacity of the lower area? I’d guess that’s been vastly reduced to allow fitment and that such a long bend starved it rather than a poor pickup or low oil level.

Any room to add more capacity to that area? I’d expect adding extra oil to help but if the reservoir for pickup is too small I don’t think baffles would.

A Google of fiat twin cam sump gives a plethora of big wing conversions to increase the low down capacity.

As I said just a slightly drunken glance the oil capacity is very similar. It's has approx an 1" removed an then the wings added on. So it's more of a relocation than reduction.

The problem is the dipstick was never corrected so only the telepathic would know to add another 30/50mm of oil

[andburg]

Ok I’ll admit I didn’t see the expanded wing!

Time to paint my eyes back on I reckon

[AW111]

We've been hammering the FIAT with a 1600 then 1750 twincam through the forests for a lot of years, I'm pretty sure it's a standard sump.

Then again you get more sideways G forces on tarmac.

[Yazza54]

AW111 said:

We've been hammering the FIAT with a 1600 then 1750 twincam through the forests for a lot of years, I'm pretty sure it's a standard sump.

Then again you get more sideways G forces on tarmac.

Fury has a very shallow engine bay though so ground clearance can be an issue

[Zephyr Speedshop]

Yazza54 said:

AW111 said:

We've been hammering the FIAT with a 1600 then 1750 twincam through the forests for a lot of years, I'm pretty sure it's a standard sump.

Then again you get more sideways G forces on tarmac.

Fury has a very shallow engine bay though so ground clearance can be an issue

exactly this, im sure the sandard sump would have been absolule up to the job. but the currentt setup is only about 100/150mm off the ground. im pretty confident, that with more oil it will be absoloutely fine.

[AW111]

Yazza54 said:

AW111 said:

We've been hammering the FIAT with a 1600 then 1750 twincam through the forests for a lot of years, I'm pretty sure it's a standard sump.

Then again you get more sideways G forces on tarmac.

Fury has a very shallow engine bay though so ground clearance can be an issue

Fair enough. We have more depth, and a 5mm aluminium plate below the sump.

[jeremyc]

With the sump off you should be able to pretty accurately measure the capacity to get the desired oil level.

[Mark-insert old BMW]

Have you ever run an accusump? People used to suggest one for my E30 M3 as the s14/2.3 suffers on fast right hand bends. BMW Motorsport recommend overfilling the oil to the first kink above max on the dipstick, so I just did that.

[Zephyr Speedshop]

Mark-insert old BMW said:

Have you ever run an accusump? People used to suggest one for my E30 M3 as the s14/2.3 suffers on fast right hand bends. BMW Motorsport recommend overfilling the oil to the first kink above max on the dipstick, so I just did that.

thats not in the budget . although i cant ever see a senario where it would need it. even on track, thruxton is about the worst it will ver see.

[Zephyr Speedshop]

Well it lives, was pissing it down so only ran it up the road quickly. And ran it up for abit in the garage.



No old stock fiat bearings!



If you're new to my threads I apologize. I'm fking st at photos. I get caught up in getting stuff done and totally forget to take photos.
Pretty sure my dyslexia comes with a healthy does of ADHD!



That should be a video and this one

[Yazza54]

Nice one, any pics of the journals cleaned up? Curious how they came out

[Zephyr Speedshop]

Yazza54 said:

Nice one, any pics of the journals cleaned up? Curious how they came out

I did post one on Sunday but hears some more.







The pitting is the same across all the journals. And the camera is making it look worse there basically highly polished.

And the horizontal marks are either reflections or where I've touched it.