BMW E39 M5 touring build #2

[BSSBMW]

Sf_Manta said:

Absolutely glorious work there.
Any plans for some choice upgrades to refine the package overall? or just a refreshed OEM setup?

Thanks!

Pretty much the same recipe as last time so Bilstein shocks, EIbach front springs and a thicker rear anti roll bar. Eibach bars are NLA so unless a used one turns up (or a pair) I will prob end up forking out for a Dinan one.

[BSSBMW]

d_a_n1979 said:

You don't waste time Barry

Will this be your daily then?

Once its built it will be pressed back into daily use so the B10 V8 I'm smoking at the moment can receive some work.

[BSSBMW]

Fermit said:

Without re-reading the entire thread, on the first build, did you log the number of hours of time you put in to it? (even if approx)

IF you turned it in to a business you could state an after doner car cost (or estimate, to allow for unforeseen stuff) and maybe (if sticking to BM's) use a moniker that sounds like M5? Maybe something like EMM 5, as there will be a limit to what BM can protect name wise. Upon thinking of something maybe work backwords to make it represent something personal. In the above cited, say your name is Edward, it could for example become Edwards Monstrous M-cars 5

That aside, watching with interest, and read the MK1 thread in one lump yesterday.

Edited by Fermit on Monday 6th March 14:07

I've not logged the hours spent on either builds or any of the restorations I've done as its my hobby and I've not done them to make money on.

[BSSBMW]

bmthnick1981 said:

Great build, look forward to following.

chimera40v8 said:

Another amazing build thread, quality of the work is incredible and its great to see you doing it all over again.

Like was said in the other thread, its baffling they never made an E39 M5 Touring and your examples just go to show what a great car it could have been.

Thanks!

Indeed it is a shame they never built these and the E46 M3 touring past the prototype stages.

[bolidemichael]

BSSBMW said:

bmthnick1981 said:

Great build, look forward to following.

Indeed it is a shame they never built these and the E46 M3 touring past the prototype stages.

Could/have you built an E46 Touring?

[BSSBMW]

InYaMooey said:

1998 540i 6 Pre Vanos


Currently sitting waiting on me deciding if I do the timing chain guides or pay a man

Do you fancy a timing chain job ? Or slip an S62 in


Fantastic thread again

Rare car now the pre vanos 540i/6!

Two reasons why an S62 would not be a good idea for your car, first one is it would be a shame to mess with a now rare E39 and secondly as its a pre 9/98 built E39 it would be a lot more difficult to convert it as 9/98 there were major electrical revisions across the E39 platform which would mean pretty much a whole body loom swap to get it all to work correctly and run the M5's DSC.
Not impossible, just a lot more work.

The minimum basic requirement is a post 9/98 petrol touring with DSC not ASC and ideally a post 4/99 as it will have the diamond key and later SRS system allowing fitment of the round air bag steering wheel.

[BSSBMW]

bolidemichael said:

Could/have you built an E46 Touring?

Yes over 5 years ago.

https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/e46-m3-tour...

Didn't get go as far as the wide arches as sold it to help with the business. Tried to buy it back a year or two ago but the current owner wont let it go.

[bolidemichael]

Great stuff, thanks.

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

InYaMooey said:

1998 540i 6 Pre Vanos


Currently sitting waiting on me deciding if I do the timing chain guides or pay a man

Do you fancy a timing chain job ? Or slip an S62 in


Fantastic thread again

Good to see another early 540i/6 Touring out there.

Pre-Vanos M62s are generally less prone to timing chain issues - is yours very high miles or was the tensioner never changed?

[d_a_n1979]

BSSBMW said:

d_a_n1979 said:

You don't waste time Barry

Will this be your daily then?

Once its built it will be pressed back into daily use so the B10 V8 I'm smoking at the moment can receive some work.

Good to hear Barry; it'll be a cracking daily driver

[Chunkychucky]

Love to see progress is continuing to the same usual standard OP, can't wait to see the finished article on this one - although it just gives me something else to be depressed about not owning..

[Sf_Manta]

BSSBMW said:

Sf_Manta said:

Absolutely glorious work there.
Any plans for some choice upgrades to refine the package overall? or just a refreshed OEM setup?

Thanks!

Pretty much the same recipe as last time so Bilstein shocks, EIbach front springs and a thicker rear anti roll bar. Eibach bars are NLA so unless a used one turns up (or a pair) I will prob end up forking out for a Dinan one.

Good choice on parts, what about the bushings side? guessing just good quality OEM parts to retain the ride quality?
Either way, absolutely loving the attention to detail.

Would you know how much work it is to put a S54B32 into a 330i Touring per chance? Mechanically i know it fits, but how much of a ball ache is it with getting the wiring / coding done?

[Seek]

BSSBMW said:

bolidemichael said:

Could/have you built an E46 Touring?

Yes over 5 years ago.

https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/e46-m3-tour...

Didn't get go as far as the wide arches as sold it to help with the business. Tried to buy it back a year or two ago but the current owner wont let it go.

Thanks for the link - makes for interesting reading as well
Shame that you didn't manage to complete the E46 M3 Touring as envisioned.

Sf_Manta said:

Would you know how much work it is to put a S54B32 into a 330i Touring per chance? Mechanically i know it fits, but how much of a ball ache is it with getting the wiring / coding done?

Your questions are answered in the thread linked above.

[BSSBMW]

Sf_Manta said:

BSSBMW said:

Sf_Manta said:

Absolutely glorious work there.
Any plans for some choice upgrades to refine the package overall? or just a refreshed OEM setup?

Thanks!

Pretty much the same recipe as last time so Bilstein shocks, EIbach front springs and a thicker rear anti roll bar. Eibach bars are NLA so unless a used one turns up (or a pair) I will prob end up forking out for a Dinan one.

Good choice on parts, what about the bushings side? guessing just good quality OEM parts to retain the ride quality?
Either way, absolutely loving the attention to detail.

Would you know how much work it is to put a S54B32 into a 330i Touring per chance? Mechanically i know it fits, but how much of a ball ache is it with getting the wiring / coding done?

Same as before, all new OEM bushes with just the ARB bushes polly.

RE an S54 into an E46 330i, very straight forward with minimal wiring alterations and a little coding.

Edited by BSSBMW on Thursday 9th March 15:32

[d_a_n1979]

BSSBMW said:

Good choice on parts, what about the bushings side? guessing just good quality OEM parts to retain the ride quality?



Same as before, all new OEM bushes with just the ARB bushes polly.

Best way IMO

Been out in a few E39 tourings and saloons with too many polybushes and the ride was horrible on normal roads... Track probably perfect, but for every day driving, OEM spec rubber and polybushed ARBs, I found to be spot on...

Think folk forget how stiff the E39 can be when on new OEM spec suspension and bushes; drives and handles superbly IMO. The added thicker ARBs make for a much better feel

[Jhonno]

BSSBMW said:

bolidemichael said:

Could/have you built an E46 Touring?

Yes over 5 years ago.

https://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/e46-m3-tour...

Didn't get go as far as the wide arches as sold it to help with the business. Tried to buy it back a year or two ago but the current owner wont let it go.

He's a stubborn Git! Tbf, he really likes it. It's a bit poorly atm though..

[BSSBMW]

Managed to get some time on the build this weekend.



Finished off the brake pipes above the rear axle using new pipes bent to shape using the originals as a template then tidied up the pressure accumulators for the self levelling rear suspension before bolting those up with new fittings.



Manual pedal box bolted in before making a start on.......



..... the wiring! The M5 saloon body loom (minus the audio and sat nav loom) laid out to begin the harvest.





Mid way through extracting specific wires by cutting the loom tape open and de-pining the wire from the terminal on relevant connector.



Some of the harvested wires with their relevant wiring diagrams.





One of the main points where the some of the wires pass through from behind the dashboard into the E-box in the engine bay. Wires were threaded through the rubber grommet.



The gap in the hole in the previous pic is covered with a plastic panel which needed to be swapped out with the M5 specific one as the M5 uses an E-box fan as seen in the pic, to keep the MSS52 DME (engine ECU) cool.

Next stage with the wiring will be to remove the dashboard, route them to their relevant points such as the switch panel for the sport button, clutch switch for the cruise control, instrument cluster, plus a few other points then tape the cables into the existing loom.

[E90_M3Ross]

That looks utterly terrifying

[BSSBMW]

E90_M3Ross said:

That looks utterly terrifying

I perversely enjoy it although it is time consuming having to trawl through wiring diagrams, check, cross reference then double check.

[bolidemichael]

It's quite something to be confident in tackling both mechanicals and electricals.

Barry, I mentioned this thread to the marketing guys at OH when I saw them today at the Sunday Service. They'll be inviting some RC owners to display their vehicles at the PH25 event in Bicester, so if you're around it may be worth submitting an application, if you haven't already done so.