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Sorted the garage out last night as had got abit out of hand 
Also shortened the dipstick while the welder was out! Save any future owners from my fate.
doesn't look like a lot laied out like this just need the cam buckets and manifold back. Think I'll start the look tonight as I know where 90% of it is going.
Also shortened the dipstick while the welder was out! Save any future owners from my fate.
doesn't look like a lot laied out like this just need the cam buckets and manifold back. Think I'll start the look tonight as I know where 90% of it is going. Got a a fair bit done between kitesurfing this weekend. Got a good chunk of the loom built, got the modified manifold and cambox back from my buddy. And got the cams and timing belt back on.
I realized the cam end gaskets I have are wrong and also the covers plate I bought won't work as there's an extra oil port on my engine
so I'm going to have to use. The dizzy cap base with a freeze plug to blank it off. Also now I'm pretty confident I can get a Px600 filter jammed in there I've ordered that and some velocity stacks.
List is getting shorter
Could do with abit of port matching. But I can get my grinder in there with enough access to do it properly. So it will have to do for this stage. If I do eventually go for high comp pistons. I will have the head off so it can be matched perfectly.
Need to chase guy up for the ecu and map. But really not far off this. Need to finish off the wiring and fuel system. Fitted the inlet and itbs permanently. And get those cam end covers fitted. If and the throttle linkage. It should be good to go.
I realized the cam end gaskets I have are wrong and also the covers plate I bought won't work as there's an extra oil port on my engine
so I'm going to have to use. The dizzy cap base with a freeze plug to blank it off. Also now I'm pretty confident I can get a Px600 filter jammed in there I've ordered that and some velocity stacks. List is getting shorter
Could do with abit of port matching. But I can get my grinder in there with enough access to do it properly. So it will have to do for this stage. If I do eventually go for high comp pistons. I will have the head off so it can be matched perfectly.
Need to chase guy up for the ecu and map. But really not far off this. Need to finish off the wiring and fuel system. Fitted the inlet and itbs permanently. And get those cam end covers fitted. If and the throttle linkage. It should be good to go.
Cambs_Stuart said:
Really enjoyed the thread, just had a read after following your 208 BPS updates.
What kind of ignition does this run? Rotor cap and dizzy, or can it be updated to solid state?
Thanks, planning to use a ford coil pack to run wasted spark. Via the omex 600. Have use this ignition system on the last 3 builds and it's worked really well. And been really easily controlled. I'm hopeful that going from the dizzy to electric ignition will gain some bhp or at least allow it to be really drivable as we can have the correct advance for any given load and rpm. What kind of ignition does this run? Rotor cap and dizzy, or can it be updated to solid state?
Good chunk of progress tonight! I'm starting to feel good about how it's coming along. It looks good and I'm pretty happy with how tidy the loom and bay wiring. And hoes rooting is. Think it's actually going to look really neat.
I wasn't happy with the factory inlet gasket is about 5mm think plastic with paper faces. But because of the porting and carb manifold it was miles off . it also misaligns the manifold with the heat because the head face is 45 degrees. As I'm using this fiat 124 manifold which is designed to mate directly to the face.
You can see my buddies cut and shut. Bloody impressive bearing in mind that's an aftermarket cast aluminum. He thinks he's changed the angle but approximately 3 degrees. . which is great as the throttle linkage still clears and it just gives enough space to get a proper filter on it. .
Who needs a cnc or 3d scanner when you have tape and a dirty thumb
Probably could have got another degree out of the manifold
You can see the very slight kick in manifold.
He also put some permanent oil fences into the inlet cam bucket.
Hopefully this freeze plug will do the job. Of plugging the dizzy cap hole.
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The board is starting to look white again too which is a nice feeling.
Also made the ht leads tonight which is bloody horrible job. Can never get the wire through the boots. But there look neat.
I need to finish wiring the the new loom in on the inside. It needs to be given switched live. Tacho out put and grounding.
I need to mount the ecu and tidy up the loom and relays behind the dash.
I need to mount the back plate air temp sender and filter. But waiting on velocity stacks so I can make sure everything is good to work.
Fit the cam bucket end covers. Waiting on the correct gaskets.
Fit a new throttle cable and get the linkage set up
And rewrap the exhaust. And look at some heat shielding for the coolant pipes.
I'm hopeful that I can give it a good enough startup tune with guys help so I can give it a shakedown. And then drive it to the dyno. As there nothing worse than arrive at the dyno and have everything not work properly. If I can spend Sunday on it and the last bits arrive might be running !
I wasn't happy with the factory inlet gasket is about 5mm think plastic with paper faces. But because of the porting and carb manifold it was miles off . it also misaligns the manifold with the heat because the head face is 45 degrees. As I'm using this fiat 124 manifold which is designed to mate directly to the face. You can see my buddies cut and shut. Bloody impressive bearing in mind that's an aftermarket cast aluminum. He thinks he's changed the angle but approximately 3 degrees. . which is great as the throttle linkage still clears and it just gives enough space to get a proper filter on it. .
Who needs a cnc or 3d scanner when you have tape and a dirty thumb
Probably could have got another degree out of the manifold
You can see the very slight kick in manifold.
He also put some permanent oil fences into the inlet cam bucket.
Hopefully this freeze plug will do the job. Of plugging the dizzy cap hole.
The board is starting to look white again too which is a nice feeling.
Also made the ht leads tonight which is bloody horrible job. Can never get the wire through the boots. But there look neat.
I need to finish wiring the the new loom in on the inside. It needs to be given switched live. Tacho out put and grounding.
I need to mount the ecu and tidy up the loom and relays behind the dash.
I need to mount the back plate air temp sender and filter. But waiting on velocity stacks so I can make sure everything is good to work.
Fit the cam bucket end covers. Waiting on the correct gaskets.
Fit a new throttle cable and get the linkage set up
And rewrap the exhaust. And look at some heat shielding for the coolant pipes.
I'm hopeful that I can give it a good enough startup tune with guys help so I can give it a shakedown. And then drive it to the dyno. As there nothing worse than arrive at the dyno and have everything not work properly. If I can spend Sunday on it and the last bits arrive might be running !
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Thursday 23 November 23:33
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Thursday 23 November 23:35
you root those hoes!Apart From m the the throttle cable and a clean up the bay
Just need to get the car turned around or on the drive so I can see behind the dashboard. My garage lighting is s
t in the back half.
I need to mount the ecu and finish the wiring. And it's ready to try and start it and Get the itbs setup.
Just need to get the car turned around or on the drive so I can see behind the dashboard. My garage lighting is s
t in the back half.I need to mount the ecu and finish the wiring. And it's ready to try and start it and Get the itbs setup.
AW111 said:
It is looking good.
Have you considered painting the cam boxes?
Black crackle finish and highlight the "Lancia" script maybe.
Was thinking of just doing the valve covers in red with polished lettering ? I think black would work too thought. .Have you considered painting the cam boxes?
Black crackle finish and highlight the "Lancia" script maybe.
Edited by AW111 on Saturday 25th November 06:01
Well I'm pretty much there today. Ecu is in and wiring is finished. .I've also got the throttle cable in.
I did try turning it over to see what it would do as the start up map is already on the ecu. However Im not getting a spark or injectors. The fuel pump is priming tho. I couldn't find my rs232/usb adapter today . So got one coming on Amazon tomorrow. I need to plug in and see what's going on.
Fingers crossed it's something simple like the tps needing calibration. But I suspect the fact I'm getting nothing means it's not reading the crank. Or it's not got enough volts during cranking.
Also has the pressure reg in backwards
so sorted that. Fingers crossed it's not something in the loom I've buggered up. . hopefully it's a software thing that can be adjusted tomorrow. .
Finally got it running.
Few little niggles stopping it syncing the trigger wheel.
Earthing to the engine is fine but not ideal for starter motor interference so I've now run an earth directly to the battery.
Main issue was the sensor skimming a tooth on the trigger wheel. My 0.5mm air gap has become 0.30 to 0 not sure how!
This should be a video
One of the coolant 90s has a pin hole not sure how ? Maybe But got another one on order.
So I need to spend a few days sorting the niggles and sort out the absolute mess of jury rigged wires to test the start up issues.
Pretty excited! And I think we're on for getting it tuned before Christmas. It sounds wicked and it runs very well of the startup map which is great. See what it's like under load.
Definitely need the sound on that video !
Few little niggles stopping it syncing the trigger wheel.
Earthing to the engine is fine but not ideal for starter motor interference so I've now run an earth directly to the battery.
Main issue was the sensor skimming a tooth on the trigger wheel. My 0.5mm air gap has become 0.30 to 0 not sure how!
This should be a video
One of the coolant 90s has a pin hole not sure how ? Maybe But got another one on order.
So I need to spend a few days sorting the niggles and sort out the absolute mess of jury rigged wires to test the start up issues.
Pretty excited! And I think we're on for getting it tuned before Christmas. It sounds wicked and it runs very well of the startup map which is great. See what it's like under load.
Definitely need the sound on that video !
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Tuesday 28th November 07:05
Mark-insert old BMW said:
Excellent work!
thanks Mark, well excited to drive it now. hopefully get all the wiring and itb balancing buttoned down tonight. then just need to sort the coolant pipes out. it sounds so so much better, makes me think there migh have been some running issues before.
i need to check the old manifold as i also think it wasnt able to utilase the porting in the head throught that factory manifold.
Got the the wiring buttoned down tonight, and got the bay cleaned up. .
I couldn't help myself so taped up the pin hole in the pipe so I could drive it. Hopefully get the new elbows come tomorrow. So I can go drive it more.
Wiring really needs going through and doing neatly but that's a fettling job for later on. When I'm really board
Put the winter testing rig on
Cleaned up and completed bay. Although I need to clean it again now
It has a stumble on light throttle so got the laptop out and adjust the fuel mix at idle and the next cell up. Which seems to have sorted it. but then this happened
Why didn't I do this before it's well handy for my back
I think if I have managed to deal with the the stumble it drives really well otherwise. Still slow just now with more noise hopefully theres a decent chunk to come on the dyno.
Also the tacho effecting the speedo is solved which I thought it would but nice that I don't need to mess about with that still.
I couldn't help myself so taped up the pin hole in the pipe so I could drive it. Hopefully get the new elbows come tomorrow. So I can go drive it more.
Wiring really needs going through and doing neatly but that's a fettling job for later on. When I'm really board
Put the winter testing rig on
Cleaned up and completed bay. Although I need to clean it again now
It has a stumble on light throttle so got the laptop out and adjust the fuel mix at idle and the next cell up. Which seems to have sorted it. but then this happened
Why didn't I do this before it's well handy for my back
I think if I have managed to deal with the the stumble it drives really well otherwise. Still slow just now with more noise
hopefully theres a decent chunk to come on the dyno. Also the tacho effecting the speedo is solved which I thought it would but nice that I don't need to mess about with that still.
Edited by Zephyr Speedshop on Tuesday 28th November 20:50
Jhonno said:
So glad to see trumpets and a proper filter.. I was worried a few posts back. Those gauze "filters" are bloody terrible, bad for flow and only stop rocks going down the yap.
It's freaking tight. And I suspect no4 is slightly compromised by the filter. But it's still far far better than the gauzes. I could go for smaller trumpets as well I might get a set before the dyno and see id they make any odds. 
Bright Halo said:
The video reminded me of when I had mk1 Strada 105tc with the same 1.6 twin cam.
I had a Ansa exhaust with K&N pancake filter and it made a very similar sound. It always felt that it could make a lot more power and with you going throttle bodies and decent manifolds I’m sure it will.
Great build.
I don't know why it feels so slow to me I had a Ansa exhaust with K&N pancake filter and it made a very similar sound. It always felt that it could make a lot more power and with you going throttle bodies and decent manifolds I’m sure it will.
Great build.
maybe it's because the last few cars have been turbo. But it feels slower than the mk2 fiesta zetec I built. Which was 160bhp and 750 ish KG. Think I should have been more aggressive on the final drive. Tempted to get a 4.88 ot 5.12 fd. Especially if it will rev out. 
Bloody forgot to wire the coolant temp gauge sensor in
I will revise at so it's looks less of an after thought or might see if the omex can supply the the gauge so I don't need 2 on the engine. The fan doesn't seem to kick in anymore which is strange as there's a temp switch on the rad. But perhaps the old ecu was driving it ? Will do some More digging. The omex can do it so it no biggie if that's the case.
I also need to fit some sort of bleed valve on the top hose or top of the rad. I thought I'd get away with it as the expansion bottle is higher than the rad. And I'm sure I could persevere with bleeding the system. But would be super easy if I can just bleed the top of the rad end.
I guess that's why the hoses where run so high.
The worst job. And not the best wrap I've ever done but pretty functional I think.
Sorry doing jobs that aren't really something I can take photos of . I'll trya harder
The big news is it runs it runs pretty good all things considered. Ran some errands for the Mrs tonight and its great. There's a few flat spots and accel fueling bits that need ironing out. Just weighing up if I try and road tune it so I can drive it shake it down more or just get it on the dyno. And send it!
I need to get some one to video me driving at night as it spits pretty mega flames on the overrun
Nice atmospheric photo before I Went out. Little thing looks Mega even if I look like an absolute prat getting in and out of it.
I'm pretty sure, I could adapt a lotus turbo dhla manifold or make a turbo inlet for the itbs. For the best of both worlds.
But I'm resolutely sticking to screaming NA for now as I think it suits the car the best. And I think it will be very very 'spikey' to drive if turbo'ed. It's already quiet tail happy.
But I'm resolutely sticking to screaming NA for now as I think it suits the car the best. And I think it will be very very 'spikey' to drive if turbo'ed. It's already quiet tail happy.
Little update,
Sorted the garage out last night and worked through a few niggles.
Sill a big pile of old parts I need to decide what Todo with.
I ran a hoes from the catch can to the under side of the car as. Id forgotten about that.
Only Few jobs on the board !
I worked out last night the stumble was me being a tit. After all the startup trouble I reloaded the base map. And for got to calibrate the TPS so now with the TPS calibrated it runs perfectly with out load. But didn't have time to test it.
With our the TPS calibrated the ecu was trying to make the engine idle till about 10% throttle. And wasn't getting above 80% on the tables.
The 208 is in the body shop having some bits tidied up. Which means SWMBO needed my van today! So had a very frosty run to the office this morning!
Put the side windows in its impressively good with the roof on if I could get in and out of it with out being a contortionist. You could daily it!
The cold start fueling is off that's for sure. I couldn't go above about 1/3 throttle for about a mile. bit otherwise runs great. And it was ridiculously cold this morning.
When I got to work I was messing with the laptop with it running as id Been logging in the way to work. And it boiled over in the expansion cap.
No biggie. Not over heating. Also I've only got water in it at the moment as I want to make sure there's no issue. That will spray coolant every where.
Anyway as I'm in the office today. I got some coolant and bleed it properly! With some revs which I can't do at home with the neighbors. And it's all sorted now. Was able to crack the top hose and bleed the rad. Then let it get to temp.
Also fixed the fan. It has come unplugged 👌so not wlshe happily regulates temp with the fan going on and off.
It's slowly getting to a point where it's running really nicely.
I do still have the top end tapping when coming to a stop ? I've ordered some new smaller shims to get the valve clearances in factory specs to see if it's that.
Sorted the garage out last night and worked through a few niggles.
Sill a big pile of old parts I need to decide what Todo with.
I ran a hoes from the catch can to the under side of the car as. Id forgotten about that.
Only Few jobs on the board !
I worked out last night the stumble was me being a tit. After all the startup trouble I reloaded the base map. And for got to calibrate the TPS
so now with the TPS calibrated it runs perfectly with out load. But didn't have time to test it. With our the TPS calibrated the ecu was trying to make the engine idle till about 10% throttle. And wasn't getting above 80% on the tables.
The 208 is in the body shop having some bits tidied up. Which means SWMBO needed my van today! So had a very frosty run to the office this morning!
Put the side windows in its impressively good with the roof on
if I could get in and out of it with out being a contortionist. You could daily it! The cold start fueling is off that's for sure. I couldn't go above about 1/3 throttle for about a mile.
bit otherwise runs great. And it was ridiculously cold this morning. When I got to work I was messing with the laptop with it running as id Been logging in the way to work. And it boiled over in the expansion cap.
No biggie. Not over heating. Also I've only got water in it at the moment as I want to make sure there's no issue. That will spray coolant every where.
Anyway as I'm in the office today. I got some coolant and bleed it properly! With some revs which I can't do at home with the neighbors. And it's all sorted now. Was able to crack the top hose and bleed the rad. Then let it get to temp.
Also fixed the fan. It has come unplugged 👌so not wlshe happily regulates temp with the fan going on and off.
It's slowly getting to a point where it's running really nicely.
I do still have the top end tapping when coming to a stop ? I've ordered some new smaller shims to get the valve clearances in factory specs to see if it's that.
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