How much would it cost to reroute the A15 back thru Scampton

How much would it cost to reroute the A15 back thru Scampton

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Somewhatfoolish

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4,652 posts

193 months

Thursday 18th July
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(Sorry for "thru" - it's a title length limit thing)

Now that RAF Scampton is shut, it should be possible to make the A15 "straight again" through it. There wouldn't really be much point in this other than making the A15 very straight, but that is in its own way its own reward.

How much would doing that cost roughly?

Can we make the Germans or the Scots pay?

Drumroll

3,983 posts

127 months

Thursday 18th July
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Why would they?

Somewhatfoolish

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4,652 posts

193 months

Thursday 18th July
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Drumroll said:
Why would they?
To make the A15, already the straightest road in the UK, straighter.

It is a fantasy, I understand that. But it'd be good to understand just how much of one.

Saleen836

11,442 posts

216 months

Thursday 18th July
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Around 13 years ago according to the Highways Agency it was approx £30m per mile of motorway, so most likely double that now so will give you an idea of cost to build/reroute an A road

Riley Blue

21,631 posts

233 months

Friday 19th July
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It'll probably be made a roundabout for access to the development intended for Scampton:

https://www.west-lindsey.gov.uk/council-news/2023/...

coppice

8,906 posts

151 months

Friday 19th July
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The kink around Scampton is one of the few things keeping me awake between the M180 and Lincoln. As an aside I attended an RAF family day display there a few years ago but it looks very sad now.

Riley Blue

21,631 posts

233 months

Friday 19th July
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coppice said:
The kink around Scampton is one of the few things keeping me awake between the M180 and Lincoln. As an aside I attended an RAF family day display there a few years ago but it looks very sad now.
Off topic but if you think that looks sad, don't look for videos of JHQ Rheindahlen as it is now. frown




Somewhatfoolish

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Friday 19th July
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Saleen836 said:
Around 13 years ago according to the Highways Agency it was approx £30m per mile of motorway, so most likely double that now so will give you an idea of cost to build/reroute an A road
Ok so it's about a mile, but less than half the size of a motorway, so let's call it £30m.

That's about £1 per tax payer.

I'd gladly pay an extra £1 in tax this year to make the A15 straight again. A fiver even.

Monkeylegend

27,206 posts

238 months

Friday 19th July
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I can think of many things I would rather spend my £1 on.

Drumroll

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127 months

Friday 19th July
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Somewhatfoolish said:
Ok so it's about a mile, but less than half the size of a motorway, so let's call it £30m.

That's about £1 per tax payer.

I'd gladly pay an extra £1 in tax this year to make the A15 straight again. A fiver even.
The A15 is bad enough as it is (for accidents), it doesn't need straightening.

Somewhatfoolish

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193 months

Friday 19th July
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Drumroll said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Ok so it's about a mile, but less than half the size of a motorway, so let's call it £30m.

That's about £1 per tax payer.

I'd gladly pay an extra £1 in tax this year to make the A15 straight again. A fiver even.
The A15 is bad enough as it is (for accidents), it doesn't need straightening.
Well, it's never happening anyway. So I don't have to perform a rational cost/benefit analysis.

But surely you can see there is some beauty in a really unusually straight piece of road?

Of course outside of the UK they're ten a penny. But we don't really have them here. Sort this (and a coupe of roundabouts) out and it could be >20 miles of straightness.

There is an alternative as well - super-elevation. Could keep the bend around Scrampton but bank the road to such a degree such that a car driving at 60mph would do the curve by itself.

God that would be beautiful.

Drumroll

3,983 posts

127 months

Friday 19th July
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Somewhatfoolish said:
But surely you can see there is some beauty in a really unusually straight piece of road?


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Can't think of anything more boring than a long straight road.

Give me a road in the dales when you can't drive much faster than 30MPH because of the blind bends narrowness of the road. That's a driving road.



Somewhatfoolish

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193 months

Friday 19th July
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Drumroll said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
But surely you can see there is some beauty in a really unusually straight piece of road?


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Can't think of anything more boring than a long straight road.

Give me a road in the dales when you can't drive much faster than 30MPH because of the blind bends narrowness of the road. That's a driving road.
It's not about being fun to drive on, it's about the one off (in the UK) nature of having a very long straight road.

A bit like steam paddle ships are objectively rubbish, but it's great that the SS Waverly exists.

donkmeister

9,236 posts

107 months

Friday 19th July
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Somewhatfoolish said:
Drumroll said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Ok so it's about a mile, but less than half the size of a motorway, so let's call it £30m.

That's about £1 per tax payer.

I'd gladly pay an extra £1 in tax this year to make the A15 straight again. A fiver even.
The A15 is bad enough as it is (for accidents), it doesn't need straightening.
Well, it's never happening anyway. So I don't have to perform a rational cost/benefit analysis.

But surely you can see there is some beauty in a really unusually straight piece of road?

Of course outside of the UK they're ten a penny. But we don't really have them here. Sort this (and a coupe of roundabouts) out and it could be >20 miles of straightness.

There is an alternative as well - super-elevation. Could keep the bend around Scrampton but bank the road to such a degree such that a car driving at 60mph would do the curve by itself.

God that would be beautiful.
Fun though that might be, and whilst the A15 is an historic old road (it's the old Gt N. road/Ermine Street, no?) I expect that some aesthetic improvements to the A15 wouldn't be deemed as much a priority as sorting out some of the snarl-ups on the more major routes.

More likely to get a mile with yet another lane around the western edge of the M25 hehe

coppice

8,906 posts

151 months

Monday 22nd July
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Bloody Romans , couldn't even build a road with blind bends where you could really challenge your chariot's grip....

Riley Blue

21,631 posts

233 months

Monday 22nd July
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donkmeister said:
Fun though that might be, and whilst the A15 is an historic old road (it's the old Gt N. road/Ermine Street, no?) I expect that some aesthetic improvements to the A15 wouldn't be deemed as much a priority as sorting out some of the snarl-ups on the more major routes.

More likely to get a mile with yet another lane around the western edge of the M25 hehe
Ermine Street, yes. Great North Road, no (that's to the west via Newark and Doncaster).

There's also an Old North Road and in some places an Old Great North Road plus the A1; all heading vaguely south - north though Lincolnshire and/or Nottinghamshire.

ETA: I omitted the Old London Road...

Edited by Riley Blue on Monday 22 July 08:56

MostlyRover

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28 months

Wednesday 11th September
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I'm still sorry there are no roundabouts left on the A1 (Great North Road).
AFAIK, The northbound Great North & Old North Roads merge around Alconbury.

Edited by MostlyRover on Wednesday 11th September 13:26

donkmeister

9,236 posts

107 months

Wednesday 11th September
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MostlyRover said:
I'm still sorry there are no roundabouts left on the A1 (Great North Road).
AFAIK, The northbound Great North & Old North Roads merge around Alconbury.

Edited by MostlyRover on Wednesday 11th September 13:26
There are plenty of roundabouts on the A1 confused